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No, I mean deepstrike. We just ended the game on a draw, although we managed to annihilate each other pretty thoroughly.


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Also got my first twenty warriors, time to put together the two small blaster warrior squads, and the 9 man unit for the Duke's entourage.

Because if you deepstrike your boats, the passagers cannot shoot

They most certainly can. You just have to disembark them first.

My bad, forgot it was a duke list. I jst may use that tactic myself

It's a definent suprise to an army. The person I was playing against was playing something like 3 squads of 10 Combi-Melta Sternguard in drop pods, two squads in drop pods, and then a command squad in a drop pod. As soon as I thought that I thought to myself that there was no GOOD way to get out of this situation, so lets not give him his ability to screw me up first turn

150 - Duke Sliscus
60 - Haemonculus with Liquifier

173 - 4x Kabalite Trueborn with 4 Blasters, Venom with 2x Splintercannon, Flickerfield
173 - 4x Kabalite Trueborn with 4 Blasters, Venom with 2x Splintercannon, Flickerfield

125 - Kabalite Warriors x5 with Blaster, Venom with 2x Splintercannon, Flickerfield
125 - Kabalite Warriors x5 with Blaster, Venom with 2x Splintercannon, Flickerfield
161 - Kabalite Warriors x9 with Raider, Flickerfield, Splinter Racks
208 - Wyches x9, Hekatrix with Agonizer, Haywire Grenades, Raider with Flickerfield
130 - 5x Kabalite Warrior with Blaster, Raider with Flickerfield
130 - 5x Kabalite Warrior with Blaster, Raider with Flickerfield

140 - 5x Scourges with 2x Dark Lances

155 - Razorwing with Dark Lances, Flickerfield
155 - Razorwing with Dark Lances, Flickerfield
115 - Ravager with Flickerfield


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^ Current list.

I would stick with Haywire Blasters on the Scourges. It means they'll be able to shoot pretty much every turn regardless, even if they deep strike or move, as it is they have to stay still to be a threat, which means there'll be turns they're useless.

Also it means you can do it as 5x Sourges w/ 2x Haywire Blasters -or- w/ 2x Splinter Cannon (for say if you face nids etc).

Actually if you are Deep Striking (this is a Duke list which seems to be built around this option) then I would go for Heat Lances on the Scourges. Dark Lances are definitely a good option for them, but its easily the worst choice for this list which will have little to nothing on the board early game (and the Scourges waste a turn setting up if they don't deploy normally). Heat Lances are preferable to Haywires in this case since they get more out of Deep Striking (which fits in with the rest of the list better) and are generally more helpful since you want to be killing vehicles on the drop rather than just annoying them (which leaves them free to move around and start countering you). Haywires are definitely a better option than Dark Lances for this build though.

One thing I'm amazed that hasn't been suggested is Night Shields on the Razorwings. The fliers get the most benefit by far out of Night Shields since they have the only 48" range weaponry in the codex, so an extra 6" lets them avoid basically every common anti tank weapon in the game (unlike 36" range Lances, which are still going to be well inside Missile range). Half the issue people have with Razorwings is that they are a very mixed purpose unit while they have their Missiles (unless you don't take Lances), but the Missiles really have to be used asap to ensure you get to use them at all. Night Shields fairly neatly bypass this issue, you can sit right on your board edge (probably arriving from reserve, don't ever Deep Strike them, no point) volley off your missiles and then next turn move up 12" and you end up in range with all your standard weapons. Personally if I had to choose between Flickers and Night Shields on a Razorwing I would probably go with the Night Shields, being out of range completely is a much better defense than a 5++.

That said I'm not sure Razorwings are the best option for a Duke based list. They tend to be work best in Dark Lance heavy builds (ideally with a good number of Shock Prow Raiders as well) so they can show up after transports have been popped and template infantry to death. In this list you are really relying on Blasters killing off vehicles the turn they arrive and the Razorwings taking them out the same turn, which doesn't leave much room for error.

Deep striking is not the primary concern of this list. It's just an advantage I can take care of. Everyone is starting on the board unless it's another army that deepstrikes, then I'll come in.

Haywires result in better range + survivability, mostly working to put vehicles down (with a decent chance of out) while being able to move + shoot and go into cover etc.

Being he gave them lances I assumed he wanted that over the suicide-squad nature of heat lance scourges.

Also, if you take the HBs/SCs on the scourges, there's 10pts freed up right there for a night shield

60 - Haemonculi with Liquifier Gun

151 - Kabalite Trueborn x3 with 2 Dark Lances, Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons
151 - Kabalite Trueborn x3 with 2 Dark Lances, Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons
151 - Kabalite Trueborn x3 with 2 Dark Lances, Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons

95 - Wrack x3, Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons
125 - Kabalite Warrior x5 with Blaster, Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons
125 - Kabalite Warrior x5 with Blaster, Venom with 2 Splinter Cannons
139 - Kabalite Warrior x6 with Blaster, Raider with Flicker Field
130 - Kabalite Warrior x5 with Blaster, Raider with Flicker Field
130 - Kabalite Warrior x5 with Blaster, Raider with Flicker Field

78 - Reaver Jetbikes x3 with Heat Lance
140 - Scourge x5 with 2 Blasters
140 - Scourge x5 with 2 Blasters

115 - Ravager with Flicker Field
115 - Ravager with Flicker Field
155 - Razorwing Fighter with Flicker Field

VS.

65 - Haemonculus with Shattershard
50 - Haemonculus

151 - 3x Kabalite Trueborn, 2x Dark Lance, Venom with Splinter Cannnons
151 - 3x Kabalite Trueborn, 2x Dark Lance, Venom with Splinter Cannnons
151 - 3x Kabalite Trueborn, 2x Dark Lance, Venom with Splinter Cannnons

125 - 5x Kabalite Warrior with Blaster, Venom with Splinter Cannons
125 - 5x Kabalite Warrior with Blaster, Venom with Splinter Cannons
208 - 9x Wyches with Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Agoniser, Raider with FF
208 - 9x Wyches with Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix with Agoniser, Raider with FF

140 - 5x Scourge with 2x Darklance
140 - 5x Scourge with 2x Darklance
140 - 5x Scourge with 2x Darklance

115 - Ravager with FF
115 - Ravager with FF
115 - Ravager with FF


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17 Dark Lances
9 Blasters
1 Heat Lance

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23 Dark Lances
2 Blasters
18 Wyches with Haywire Grenades

I honestly am not sure which I would rather go with. I lean towards the top list because it has a greater variety of models that I like, but the second one seems like it will be a more effective list.

1: Not giving the Haem a Shattershard and giving both Liquifiers would work better.

2: Dark Lances on the Trueborn and the Scourges means they can either move, or fire. If in a vehicle, then the vehicle can't move for them to fire the lances, overall it causes the list to have reduced range and a bit less versatility.

I tend to only give lances to things that can move 12" and shoot with them.

Switching the Trueborn to blasters will a lot more mobile (to the point you can effectively redeploy the entire army on any given turn) and be cheaper allowing you to fit more in.

3: Scourges should really have Heat Lances if deep striking to suicide run enemy vehicles as it gives more surety of a boom, and Haywire Blasters for distancing, at 18" (effective 30" range) I can see them getting smushed with blasters.

4: 6 Bikes will survive better than 3 and do a lot more damage, they're also a great delivery platform for those heatlances.