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IXLoiero95XI wrote:
The Lash Of Submition isn't just a tool to get you the charge. I like to use it to throw enemy units at my berzerkers so they can the charge and ahnilate them or to throw them towards my daemon prince. i've also used it to deny my enemies terminators battle time throwing my brothers sword bretheren terminators to the edge of the board so they don't interupt my carnage was fun lol but the most useful use for the Lash is to throw units off objectives or throw them further from yours.

The other key use I find with lash is getting units out of cover. "It's so easy to get cover its best to assume they have cover!" seems to be a common mentality (for a good reason...). Being able to negate that cover is just sexy, especially if your opponent wasted last turn getting into said cover.

That's why I love my Thousand Sons.

"LOL AP3 Bolters I got a 4+ cover save!!!"

It's Lashtime, bitch!

Chaos Space Marines FAQ's and Erratas state the the model must have a set of wings...

You can model however your opponent finds acceptable, but I'd put wings on him. I fielded my first DP with wings when the only way to do so was to buy them separately and convert the metal daemon prince. Nowadays the excellent plastic DP kit COMES with wings, so there's really no excuse.


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Ailaros wrote:If you're only playing at tournaments that you consider good, then good for you. I've seen enough battle reports from tournaments to see how poor most of them are.

No, that's not what I said. I've certainly played at my share of badly-run events. I'm well aware of their failings. It's also my experience that in real life most events are pretty good, and the people going to the effort to run them aren't usually the incompetent jerks that you're implying. A few complaints on the internet are not necessarily representative or damning of the majority of events.

Ailaros wrote: "That's how it was ruled at a tournament I was at once" is much less than a convincing reason to take a particular position in my mind.

Sure, I agree. That comment is not in any way representative of what I said, of course. I pointed out that the rulebook says you can re-roll the dice you want to (as was just quoted again in the thread). And I said that at well-run events it is consistently ruled that way. And I offered, with the disclaimer that my experience isn't all-encompassing, the supporting evidence of my experience at large events around the country.

Feel free to dismiss my experiences as anecdotal if you like, but I generally find that if person A lacks experience with something, and person B who has a lot of experience with said thing offers info on it, person A usually can benefit from listening to that experience. Not to say, of course, that it should be accepted totally at face value or without critical thinking, but if I muse out loud about a car repair, and a mechanic happens to be in the room and voices an opinion, I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand.

Lets not forget lash is extremely useful during the shooting phase for bunching up your opponents models for the easy kill with plasma canon fire from your oblits, or the well placed vinicator shell. I also use it in combat to string my opponents models in a long line so when I attack one end, his power fist is at the opposite so he can't fight

THAT LOOKS SICK DUDE!

Much better than I was anticipating. The colours are great and I love the detailing on his back. The wings look great as well, did you add those or did they come with the guy? And that medieval head actually fits perfectly with that character. You cant even tell it isn't from the box. Great job bearm that is one fearsome looking mini!

Here's an updated version of the Prince with Wings!

I have been in love with the lashprince for a long time, so while I disagree on the nurgle prince for a tourney, it is still a decent model. Why the red wings though, and are you going to wash the model?

Right away, please understand that I have no dog in this fight. I do not play Demons, nor have I ever played against Demons.

Killadoza wrote:Warptime RAW
The Psyker surrounds himself with a dimensional instability, which warps the passage of time and grants the target the opprotunity to place his attacks with supernatural precision.

The Power is used at the start of any players turn. If successful, the psyker may re-roll all rolls to hit and rolls to wound for the entirety of that players turn.

First off from a logical point of view, the fluff defines it as a means to strike with supernatural precision. to me that means more accurate and more deadly than his WS or S normally allow. ergo re rolling all the dice doesnt make sense.

More importantly, no where in the rules does it say you have to roll a handful of dice, thats just the suggested method to save time. My point is say you are someone who rolls one of his 4 attacks at a time. first roll: is a 1, thats a miss. May reroll ALL rolls. that was one roll so it may be re rolled. I am pretty sure that GW has ment it to mean misses and failed wounds can be re rolled, not en entire fistful of rolls.

Unless stated otherwise in the specific description, re-rolling dice requires ALL dice associated with that roll to be re-rolled. So 2D6 means both D6s must be re-rolled. However, each attack is in itself a separate roll, that most players simply roll together to save time. So Therefore Warptime is actually 1D6 x the # of attacks, and any 1D6 can be re-rolled, once per attack that the player so chooses. However, if the DP was attacking a vehicle, then the MC 2D6 could be re-rolled, wherein both 2D6 must be re-rolled with the use of Warptime, not just a single D6 of the two.

If someone beat me to that, then I apologize.

azazel the cat wrote: However, if the DP was attacking a vehicle, then the MC 2D6 could be re-rolled, wherein both 2D6 must be re-rolled with the use of Warptime, not just a single D6 of the two.

If someone beat me to that, then I apologize.

I seem to be missing the bit where it says I can reroll pen rolls with warptime. I certainly seem to find that bit about rerolling hits and wounds, but there seems to be a lack of penetration rolls mentioned.

p.s Warptime is a CSM power, not daemons