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I'm not sure of the shade either actually.

Never realised they made blue ones. Possibly the different plastic reacting with the paint then?

Actually, one of them looks like a modern style marine, so cant be that.

Skippy wrote:Never realised they made blue ones. Possibly the different plastic reacting with the paint then?

Actually, one of them looks like a modern style marine, so cant be that.

You are correct, three are the blue ones, and the other is a standerd marine.

I know none want to belive me, but only one was primered with a red spray first, but the rest were not. I will be back on monday to post pic of before and after the spraying.

Imperial Renegade wrote:

Skippy wrote:Never realised they made blue ones. Possibly the different plastic reacting with the paint then?

Actually, one of them looks like a modern style marine, so cant be that.

You are correct, three are the blue ones, and the other is a standerd marine.

I know none want to belive me, but only one was primered with a red spray first, but the rest were not. I will be back on monday to post pic of before and after the spraying.

Its just a very, very odd thing. But i cant see any other explanation than the army painter can being at fault. Not really any reason why youd lie about it!

Man, when I first came in I assumed it was OP's fault somehow but then every possibility was asked and answered. I've never seen anything quite like this. Could we get some closer macro pictures of the melting? You can tell a lot about a reaction by the pattern of the material.

I wont be able to take any pics till monday, because im away, but when i return, I will.

Those blue marines were from a painting kit if I remember correctly.

Wait, I'm still really confused about this. You had a blue-plastic space marine model and a red-plastic space marine model, and you tried to spray prime it white?

The reason I ask is because something seems terribly fishy about all of this, like the minis are actually super old plastics, or are non-GW knock offs or something.

In general, the melting happens because spray primers all have solvents in them, and the caking/cracking happens because you goop WAY too much of it on there.

If you didn't do that, though, there's just too many oddities and loose ends...

Ailaros wrote:Wait, I'm still really confused about this. You had a blue-plastic space marine model and a red-plastic space marine model, and you tried to spray prime it white?

The reason I ask is because something seems terribly fishy about all of this, like the minis are actually super old plastics, or are non-GW knock offs or something.

In general, the melting happens because spray primers all have solvents in them, and the caking/cracking happens because you goop WAY too much of it on there.

If you didn't do that, though, there's just too many oddities and loose ends...

I believe three are blue plastic and one is normal grey plastic and that only one was previously primed with a red spray. The others got red on them through cross contamination from the red primed mini when they were going all funky.

Wow, I've never had a bit of a problem with any Army Painter stuff. That's pretty messed up.

Well, my Quickshade did dry up after a month or so (it's hard to re-seal the can when the stuff drips on the rim).

I'm really shocked to see a paint doing that. I'm really sorry you lost those minis to a cruddy batch of paint, and OOP minis at that...

Etna's Vassal wrote:Wow, I've never had a bit of a problem with any Army Painter stuff. That's pretty messed up.

Well, my Quickshade did dry up after a month or so (it's hard to re-seal the can when the stuff drips on the rim).

I'm really shocked to see a paint doing that. I'm really sorry you lost those minis to a cruddy batch of paint, and OOP minis at that...

He can at least sell them to a nurgle player!

I would definitely call up army painter. They would probably thank you for reporting it!

That is my plan, after I talk to my FLGS. I primered three blue models. One Grey model. All are GW. The tree blue ones are OOP and one was primerd red first. The other is a model from a space wolf Long Fang pack. I went and sprayed some tyranid bitz and it did the same. I have used this before on all my tyranids in the past. Feel free to check my gallery for some of the models.

Im really bumbed. And fore the 5 time. I am telling the truth!

Have you tried removing the paint at all? We have documented the state of them after priming and it would be interesting to see the raw plastic again.

the old rocket launcher dude should be easily replaceable, thankfully. He was in the old second ed starter kit.

I recently got a Army Painter starter kit, and let me tell you, they are by far the *worst* paints I've ever used. I will never use an Army Painter item ever again. Ever.

Ninjakinshu wrote:I recently got a Army Painter starter kit, and let me tell you, they are by far the *worst* paints I've ever used. I will never use an Army Painter item ever again. Ever.

Are you talking about the warpaints?

What was wrong with them?

The primers are usually great!

Ninjakinshu wrote:I recently got a Army Painter starter kit, and let me tell you, they are by far the *worst* paints I've ever used. I will never use an Army Painter item ever again. Ever.

do they match the sprays?

Etna's Vassal wrote:
Well, my Quickshade did dry up after a month or so (it's hard to re-seal the can when the stuff drips on the rim).

Invest 5$ in a rubber mallet. Problem solved.

Ouch man, that sucks. I've used Army Painter's brighter red spray primer and had no issues with it, though it was sprayed onto white primer. I've also used their Quickshade Strong Tone and LOVE it.

To the OP: If you can't get Army Painter to help with replacing the models, PM me. I have those exact models collecting dust. Pay shipping and you can have them. I can prime them white for you before they leave as well.

I will let you know if they wont help me out. I think they are going to stand behind thier product as long as I provide proof. As for the questions, I will when I get home tomorrow, take a few raw bitz, and spray them with the primer. I will take a pics of them wet, then when they are dry. After that, I will try and see if I can stipe the models and see exactly what the plastic looks like.

It would also help your case if you strip one mini of paint, just to see more clearly that the primer did melt it. Document it with photos or video so that you would have irrefutable proof to show them.

Best of luck!

heartserenade wrote:It would also help your case if you strip one mini of paint, just to see more clearly that the primer did melt it. Document it with photos or video so that you would have irrefutable proof to show them.

Best of luck!

Thanks, I have to get my stuff in order when i get home, but I am more worried about the models that I lost rather then the primers quality.

Redfinger wrote:My vote is that the primer was put over an already painted surface....In my 20 years of model building experience I have never seen this happen. That does not mean that it could happen, it just seems to me that there is an element missing from the story here.

Ashton

+1

considering that would have to be a multicolored can of primer :Eye Roll:

i would like an explanation as to why some models melted blue and some red, but there made of grey/silver material?

Sorry i think you are up the creek without a paddle or a boat. Its going to be very hard for you to get that company to give you anything with the supplied evidence.

Imperial Renegade wrote:I know none want to belive me, but only one was primered with a red spray first, but the rest were not. I will be back on monday to post pic of before and after the spraying.

I re-read this thread carefully, and no one has said they "do not believe you". There are a lot of people wondering how it could have happened and wanting more information, which is only natural when you consider your situation: you used an enormously popular product and had results that no one else appears to have ever happened. Don't mistake probing and spitballing for skepticism.

I know Army Painter recently had a recall, and I wonder if this is potentially related?

Man I am wondering about using the can I have upstairs now of Dragon Red.

Please update us after you speak with Army Painter, whether the experience is good, bad, or indifferent.



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Orikl wrote:considering that would have to be a multicolored can of primer :Eye Roll:

i would like an explanation as to why some models melted blue and some red, but there made of grey/silver material?

If you wish an explanation, simply read the thread: he has explained at least 3 times why some are blue and some are red.

Orikl wrote:

+1

considering that would have to be a multicolored can of primer :Eye Roll:

i would like an explanation as to why some models melted blue and some red, but there made of grey/silver material?

Sorry i think you are up the creek without a paddle or a boat. Its going to be very hard for you to get that company to give you anything with the supplied evidence.

You really should try reading the thread before replying, all your questions have been answered a couple of times already.

That stinks about the models. I've used Army painter Uniform Grey on 90% of my IG. Never had results like this though.
My theory: bad can of paint.

That's crazy uncool. Thank god I use Krylon, but I do still use Quickshade on occasion. Sorry to hear your luck.

Again, let us know how your experiment with bare sprue turns out. I'd like to keep my mini's safe from melta-paint...

The optimal experiment would be to test not just the primer, but different combinations of primer and sprue. If you have enough of it, I would get some of the blue sprue and some regular grey sprue and spray them both with army painter and a different primer.

It's possible that this is a specific reaction between that particular paint and that particular blue plastic. It would be very helpful for the rest of us to know more about that combination so we can avoid it, if that is indeed the case.

As a modeller I find the possibilities of this paint process intriguing...

If you could replicate it or find "the secret formula" it could be used to great effect when doing heavy rust effects on vehicles etc.

Just paint the surfaces an orange-brown mix and then apply a topcoat that cracks, melts surface and lets the rust "bloom" through.

Could be epic.

Sorry all for not replying soon, Ive been traveling all day, and I need to do some tests on the sprues tonight. I do not have any blue spures, for the models that I bought were already assembled. I have pictures in my blog with one of the blue models primered with a gray primer from my friend. I through the can away, so I dont have the name. It went on fine. all smooth and everything.

I did not mean to accuse anyone of being a nonbeliver, just came across to me that some were questioning my evidence.

I will try and do this test tonight.