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purplefood wrote:Okay so...
Scotland has a weird amount of friends...
Also, i'm not sure why killing 2 people out of 8000 makes them all run away but i guess they got scared?

Yeah but England has a big navy so you can keep those "friends" on foreign shores.
Not sure about 2 dead out of 8000 thing. Battles are usually bloodier than that...

Joey wrote:

purplefood wrote:Okay so...
Scotland has a weird amount of friends...
Also, i'm not sure why killing 2 people out of 8000 makes them all run away but i guess they got scared?

Yeah but England has a big navy so you can keep those "friends" on foreign shores.
Not sure about 2 dead out of 8000 thing. Battles are usually bloodier than that...

Some of the battles were incredibly bloody.
But a few of them had a total casualty rate of under half a percent...

They were probably in mountainous areas where the defender had the advantage.
You'll notice during battles on one side or the other there'd be modiers for mountains and rivers, with both it's -5.
If the defender who's getting the bonus doesn't have many troops then they won't be doing anything back since they don't have enough troops.
So often you could be hunting small groups of rebels in a mountainous province and the casualty rate will be pretty small, but if an invading army tried to shift your army from a mountainous province, you'd see the benefit then.
Also morale is incredibly important in this game. If the morale of your army is 0 then they can and will be annialated by a much smaller army with full morale.

Joey wrote:They were probably in mountainous areas where the defender had the advantage.
You'll notice during battles on one side or the other there'd be modiers for mountains and rivers, with both it's -5.
If the defender who's getting the bonus doesn't have many troops then they won't be doing anything back since they don't have enough troops.
So often you could be hunting small groups of rebels in a mountainous province and the casualty rate will be pretty small, but if an invading army tried to shift your army from a mountainous province, you'd see the benefit then.
Also morale is incredibly important in this game. If the morale of your army is 0 then they can and will be annialated by a much smaller army with full morale.

I noticed that about halfway through my retaliatory strike on Norway...
Invading Scotland got me up a certain creek with several people...

Yeah, doing a total war and just invading everyone at random will mean you a)lose almost immediately and b)get declared war on by everyone.
It's all about the casus belli, doncha know.
If you're playing as England though you start off with cores in Northern France. You'll be a pro if you can beat France and get the historic lands of the duke of Normandy back.

Joey wrote:Yeah, doing a total war and just invading everyone at random will mean you a)lose almost immediately and b)get declared war on by everyone.
It's all about the casus belli, doncha know.
If you're playing as England though you start off with cores in Northern France. You'll be a pro if you can beat France and get the historic lands of the duke of Normandy back.

I didn't declare war on everyone...
Just Scotland. Everyone declared war on me after that...
Also i didn't notice until it got attacked that i started with Calais...

Yeah more usually you'll let foreigners take over your french lands and hang back on your island, eventually they'll get bored and accept white peace.
Hence you have to be a pro to beat france militarily in the first war.
Their support limit is about twice the size of yours, if they get their first NI they'll have +1 morale, they have about twice your income, they have a gak load of allies who'll probably double their military strength.
If you just ignore them long enough eventually they'll accept peace and you'll get your lands back.
You also have land in the south of France, didn't you notice?

Joey wrote:Yeah more usually you'll let foreigners take over your french lands and hang back on your island, eventually they'll get bored and accept white peace.
Hence you have to be a pro to beat france militarily in the first war.
Their support limit is about twice the size of yours, if they get their first NI they'll have +1 morale, they have about twice your income, they have a gak load of allies who'll probably double their military strength.
If you just ignore them long enough eventually they'll accept peace and you'll get your lands back.
You also have land in the south of France, didn't you notice?

I might start again and just pause it and stare at the screen until i figure out which bits are mine and which bits aren't...

You changed the map mode to political, right?
I think i forgot to tell that dutch dude about political map mode, actually. That'd explain a lot.

...
Maybe...

You're probably not going to get very far if you have to click on each individual province to see which ones belong to you...

That dutch already knew about map modes.

Here's a quick start guide, do this each time you start, no matter what nation you play as:

*Set research to stability immediately. After you've got to +3, invest in government. You start off at tech level 3 and at 4 you get your first national idea, so go after it immediately (You can use a government tech advisor to help this). After that, go for whatever field you need. If you're planning on lots of early wars, go for land. If you want workshops (+1 base tax in a province), go for production
*Use your starting magistrate to commission tapestry. In the first years of the game you won't have anything to build, so spam "commission painting" to get your cultural tradition up to >80% so you can get reliably good advisors.
Other than that, stay at or just below your forcelimit to prevent the AI declaring war on you, and don't be afraid to mint (putting monthly income into treasury, causes inflation) if you need money.

Okay so round 2 went well...
Got dragged into several wars by allies (Won all of them)
Then was brutally attacked by France and Brittany and chased an army across Britain 5 or 6 times before eventually killing them all.
Than invaded Poland and Lithuania after they attacked me.
Then it ended.

France will constantly attack you, you have their lands.
Also you only played the vanilla demo. The game after 4 add-ons is an uber beast.

I did spend a while bargaining with France to get permission to cross their lands.
Eventually managed it, though it cost me 120 in tribute.

Don't Poland have a northern coast you can land in?

Yeah it did
They came to regret that...
I needed their permission to go help Flanders who i had an alliance with for some reason...

If you force a nation to release another nation you'll automatically ally the released nation.

That is probably the reason...

Joey wrote:Na I could never get into HOI3 either, and I find Darkest Hour to be a satisfying end to the series, it's head and shoulders above HOI2.
If you fancy a EU3 MP game I have plenty of free time, just drop me a message with your msn/skype.
Currently involved in an epic MP game myself as Russia vs Venice, in our last war I found myself fighting in the Balkans, the Middle East, AND Persia...it was short but bloody, I ultimately ran out of manpower (yes, as Russia), but my opponant got squished when he actually invaded the homeland, so it was a WP(though I had about +10% on warscore).
yeah, EU3 MP with people who know what they're doing is a right blast.

May well do, my housemate has recently got his own copy and wants to play. But atm I am hard-pressed to find time for both SWTOR and 40k Still, I'll try find a free evening soon.

Henners91 wrote:

Joey wrote:Na I could never get into HOI3 either, and I find Darkest Hour to be a satisfying end to the series, it's head and shoulders above HOI2.
If you fancy a EU3 MP game I have plenty of free time, just drop me a message with your msn/skype.
Currently involved in an epic MP game myself as Russia vs Venice, in our last war I found myself fighting in the Balkans, the Middle East, AND Persia...it was short but bloody, I ultimately ran out of manpower (yes, as Russia), but my opponant got squished when he actually invaded the homeland, so it was a WP(though I had about +10% on warscore).
yeah, EU3 MP with people who know what they're doing is a right blast.

May well do, my housemate has recently got his own copy and wants to play. But atm I am hard-pressed to find time for both SWTOR and 40k Still, I'll try find a free evening soon.

Sol is into it, if purplefood gets it after his exams and you get it we can have a 4-player dakka eu3 game
Shotgun France.

Dibs on England...

Dibs holland. or maybe burgendy... be the bastard myself for once.. :3 nah, holland starts to nice.

I am intrigued, may have to do a bit of research into this.

EDIT: Looking at it on Steam... which packs do I buy? I can get the Complete edition, or the Chronicles (Complete + HttT + DW) and a few sprite packs... I are confused.

Avatar 720 wrote:I am intrigued, may have to do a bit of research into this.

EDIT: Looking at it on Steam... which packs do I buy? I can get the Complete edition, or the Chronicles (Complete + HttT + DW) and a few sprite packs... I are confused.

Chronicles would be the "full set". "Complete" was released a little prematurely...

Right, so i'd just need Chronicles?

What about the add-ons you mentioned before?

Those are in that one. I bought the same one.

Other EU players on dakka! Finally.

I am an old EUII veteran, playing EUIII now.

Do you guys play the Magna Mundi mod? I like it a lot better this way.


If you have an open spot I would like to join you dakka MP.