A new xenos army?

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**rigeld2**

KingCracker wrote:I would only say yes, if they made an army style like Ogre Kingdom. Where 90% of the army, is big ass dudes, that either hulk smash things and are really tough, or carry cannons.....er big ass guns and shoot everything else. Id be down with that

You mean Nidzilla?

**English Assassin**

Agent_Tremolo wrote:@Cthulhuspy

Good. Let's tune that a little bit:

- Militaristic dystopia: Imperium.
- Eldritch abominations: Daemons.
- Bitter renegades, occult practitioners: Chaos Space Marines.
- Machines / Undead: Necrons.
- Primitives, barbarians, rogues, pirates(?): Orks.
- Ancients, magic users: Eldar.
- Nosferatu, necromancers, assassins: Dark Eldar.
- Sci-fi utopia. "The Federation": Tau.
- Knights: Space Marines.
- Religious zealots: Sisters of Battle.
- Mage knights, paladins: Grey Knights.
- Aliens: Tyranids.
- Vikings, honorable traditionalists. Klingons(?): Space Wolves.
- Berserkers / outcasts: Blood Angels (some will also say 'vampires' and I'll be ok with it, though I think the vampire theme, while prevalent in older codexes, is massively downplayed in the current one).

And there's another.

- Engineer-mages. Arcane technologists: AdMech. Sadly without an army.

Note that some (not to say all) of our armies actually embody a mixture of tropes. Space Wolves, for instance, are honorable, brawny norsemen bound by tradition and comradery and werewolves at the same time.

@English Assassin: Actually you've got a point here. Sci-Fi archetypes are limited but, in my opinion, there's still plenty of untapped potential. Playstyles are a different issue.

Until the rules change enough to allow for a unique strategy or army style to surface, I think we won't be seeing a new army for 40k.

That's a pretty inclusive list. I'd be willing to be convinced that there are archetypes as-yet unexploited or themes and motifs thus far unused, but I struggle to think of any myself which would fit easily into the distinct style and tone of the setting as a whole.

What I do think the studio could pull off successfully, and which I'd be very glad to see, would be more variant lists - Chaos and Genestealer cults as Imperial Guard variants, for instance. I wouldn't object to seeing some new, narrowly-defined races or factions added as mercenaries or auxiliaries to established armies either - the oft wished-for Demiurg for Tau lists, for instance, or Beastmen for Guard or Chaos armies.

**im2randomghgh**

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Orks = Pretty Easy
Nids= Easy
Tau= Easy (once codex update)
Dark Eldar= Moderate (need to think ahead of your foe)
Necron = moderate (lots of durability but sometimes a little hard to overwhelm your enemy if they planned right)
Eldar = WOW UR SCREWED (unless you take very specific things... your gonna hate the army)

if you ask me, it's armies like marines that become hard to use when facing things like 180 orks. i dunno it's my personal opinion but i never really freak when i fight marines.

The tau codex probably won't be updated until after eldar, and will still need very specific tactics that revolve around us avoiding melee even after the update.

NONE of the xenos armies are easy to play. Playing orkz is like setting a video game to medium, SM and IG and all those imperial ones are like setting it to easy, and the remainder of the xenos armies, as well as chaos, are like cranking it up to nightmare.

**Samus_aran115**

I don't think there are any more bases to cover, as far as xenos. Except a dedicated space skaven army, or an army of six-armed whales with plasma guns. Or any number of things.

Xenos are the one thing they can keep inventing though. No one expected tau, after all....

**Squidmanlolz**

We don't need any new codexes, we need the armies we already have to be expanded upon. Many existing factions include many species not seen in game, even Tyranids have alien slaves to do their bidding. Although in my opinion most of the "wish-listed" armies should be given to the Tau empire (It doesn't feel like a conglomerate of species, as-is. It needs more, better-integrated species, IMO). It'd be cool seeing Orks getting some new alien pets, or an army helping the Necrons reverse their bio-transference, etc...

**Melcavuk**

I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

**im2randomghgh**

Melcavuk wrote:I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

Gue'vesa

**Squidmanlolz**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

Gue'vesa

Nicassar and Tarellian dog-soldiers(who HATE humanity)

**Riker210**

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Orks = Pretty Easy
Nids= Easy
Tau= Easy (once codex update)
Dark Eldar= Moderate (need to think ahead of your foe)
Necron = moderate (lots of durability but sometimes a little hard to overwhelm your enemy if they planned right)
Eldar = WOW UR SCREWED (unless you take very specific things... your gonna hate the army)

if you ask me, it's armies like marines that become hard to use when facing things like 180 orks. i dunno it's my personal opinion but i never really freak when i fight marines.

gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahahahahaha your the first player ive ever seen say the space marines are hard to play and xenos races are easier. lol Playing anything Imperium related is pretty easy.
sorry for the typed laugher, I just have never heard that before. Most people I know switch from Marines because they are too easy to play and want something more exotic and less 'i win out of the box' deal.

I do agree, no more races until they get rid of some of the space marine chapters. Do we really friggin need 5 blood space marine codexs? Why not just split up nid background into the hive fleets with special rules and bitz based on their devouring or split choas demons into 4 distinct codexs with tons of new minis and mostly useless minis no one will use once they figure out the spam choices lol.

PS> Im really really really hating on playing this week, getting bored of the game entirely.

**im2randomghgh**

Squidmanlolz wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

Gue'vesa

Nicassar and Tarellian dog-soldiers(who HATE humanity)

Not Nicassar. They are supposed to be frail and unfit for combat. Maybe as support units?

**Vasarto**

What about Dragon like warriors? Fire breathing flying guys that sorta look like lizard types? Not lizard men but more like monsterous creatures, An entire army of them that use a combo between lots of rail and heat based tech.

Their vehicles could be massive Flyers bigger than any tyranid or deamon.

**im2randomghgh**

Vasarto wrote:What about Dragon like warriors? Fire breathing flying guys that sorta look like lizard types? Not lizard men but more like monsterous creatures, An entire army of them that use a combo between lots of rail and heat based tech.

Their vehicles could be massive Flyers bigger than any tyranid or deamon.

So an army with nothing but monstrous creatures?

yeah...no

**beigeknight**

Maybe Space Skaven? Or Space Lizardmen? I guess we can take whatever army in Fantasy and put "Space-" in front of it. Space Orks, Space Tomb Kings.....

Space Vampire Counts would probably look pretty techno-badass....

**Jollydevil**

English Assassin wrote:
Jollydevil wrote:We need another rivalry empire, and then well have a complete balance. But to do that, one of the imperial armies will have to be destroyed.

Care to explain or support either of those assertions?

Theres no empire i. 40K that actually rivals the Imperium. The Eldar are a dying race, with both too few numbers and would never be able to be organized into a large enough force to hurt the empire. The Tau are tiny and lack means of fast travel to expand, the orks are too Scattered, warring, unsophisticated, and could never be organized into one sole empire, the tyranids arent an empire seeing as they just devour everything they come across, and the necrons have no motives other than to destroy, and thus could never be an empire.
What 40K needs is another rival to the imperium, to both act as a balancer to its power, as well as take some weight off its shoulders. Something similar to the imperium, yet different in culture and ways at the same time. Its a big change, and most likely wont happen, but that just my thoughts.

**Rampage**

No, I'm Xenos through and through (I only play xenos.....and Daemons) but I don't really want to see a further Xenos army. GW struggle to keep up with the codecies that are currently in existence, adding more codecies to the mix is just going to make it harder. This is one of the reasons that I don't approve of GW's apparent need to create more Marine codecies.

**Squidmanlolz**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

Gue'vesa

Nicassar and Tarellian dog-soldiers(who HATE humanity)

Not Nicassar. They are supposed to be frail and unfit for combat. Maybe as support units?

Big, floating, 6-armed bears that have like 2 toughness, no armor save, but a 5+ invulnerable, and a lot of long-range psyker abilities.

**im2randomghgh**

Squidmanlolz wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

Gue'vesa

Nicassar and Tarellian dog-soldiers(who HATE humanity)

Not Nicassar. They are supposed to be frail and unfit for combat. Maybe as support units?

Big, floating, 6-armed bears that have like 2 toughness, no armor save, but a 5+ invulnerable, and a lot of long-range psyker abilities.

Or they could all be like ravenor, in an armoured life support system just blastingggggg away with their powers.

**Squidmanlolz**

im2randomghgh wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Melcavuk wrote:I agree in that existing factions should be given alot more variety before adding in more xenos codex's. As mentioned above there is alot of room for growth.

Renegade Guard with Xenos Conscripts
Orks with Lumbering Ogre weapons platforms, slaves, conquered mercs
Necrons with cultists, bio experiments etc

Gue'vesa

Nicassar and Tarellian dog-soldiers(who HATE humanity)

Not Nicassar. They are supposed to be frail and unfit for combat. Maybe as support units?

Big, floating, 6-armed bears that have like 2 toughness, no armor save, but a 5+ invulnerable, and a lot of long-range psyker abilities.

Or they could all be like ravenor, in an armoured life support system just blastingggggg away with their powers.

As long as Tau get one psyker, I'd be pleased, that is all.

**DoctorZombie**

beigeknight wrote:Maybe Space Skaven? Or Space Lizardmen? I guess we can take whatever army in Fantasy and put "Space-" in front of it. Space Orks, Space Tomb Kings.....

Space Vampire Counts would probably look pretty techno-badass....

I'm up for space Lizardmen

**im2randomghgh**

DoctorZombie wrote:
beigeknight wrote:Maybe Space Skaven? Or Space Lizardmen? I guess we can take whatever army in Fantasy and put "Space-" in front of it. Space Orks, Space Tomb Kings.....

Space Vampire Counts would probably look pretty techno-badass....

I'm up for space Lizardmen

Im not. The xenos are already neglected, with yet another added? We simply wouldn't get updates ever with yet more xenos to keep up with. The only xenos army addition I might not hate would be official status for kroot mercs.

**Squidmanlolz**

Or a solid Mercs codex with Kroot, Tarelians and human Pirates

**im2randomghgh**

Squidmanlolz wrote:Or a solid Mercs codex with Kroot, Tarelians and human Pirates

Or we could just throw them into tau 6ed

**LDA_Pheonix**

How 'bout a race of space cats whose gameplay would be focused around stealth and guerrilla warfare

**Melcavuk**

I'd prefer all races to gain the ability to field Mercs than just have Tau fielding a massive variety, obviously nothing stops them being modelled atms as counts as but it would be nice to "pay" points wise for mercs to be fielded in the army, possibly with some kind of Loyalty mechanic to represent their mercenary nature.

Just so we see some of the lesser races without playing tau.

**Joey**

CODEX: BEARS

**BeRzErKeR**

We need a Codex: Freebooterz!

**DoctorZombie**

Squidmanlolz wrote:Or a solid Mercs codex with Kroot, Tarelians and human Pirates

I've thought about something like that a heck of a lot.

Codex: Rogue Traders anyone?

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im2randomghgh wrote:
Or we could just throw them into tau 6ed

....And this why Tau and Tau players annoy me.

**im2randomghgh**

Joey wrote:CODEX: BEARS

Yes

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DoctorZombie wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Or we could just throw them into tau 6ed

....And this why Tau and Tau players annoy me.

Well the tarellians and kroot and some humans already fight for the tau. They probably are going to be in the 6ed tau either way.

**tauxnimrod**

All I'm going to say is bring back the Slann or Squats (space Dwarfs)

**CthuluIsSpy**

tauxnimrod wrote:All I'm going to say is bring back the Slann or Squats (space Dwarfs)

Dammit, this was the 7th time the clock was reset this week!