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I enjoyed Fallout more. I liked role playing in Fallout more and everything else as well. The Universe, the music, the voice acting, the fighting, the sneaking, the character progression, the gameplay in general are all better in Fallout. Don't get me wrong, I really like The Eldar Scrolls, but they can not compete.

Bioshock is also up there with the greatest games ever made. It has much more of an action feel than rpg though.

Yeah bioshock isn't an RPG by any means and in many ways it would be odd if it was, the linear nature really emphasises the claustrophobic wonder of rapture.

I love Bioshock but FO3 is better. Bioshock actually takes place in the 50s but FO3 still captures that surreal 50s feel better.

I played and enjoyed Fallout3, New Vegas, Oblivion and Skyrim

that said I find that even though I clocked in a gak ton of hours in Oblivion and Skyrim, once I'm maxed out I dont play it anymore

I finished FO3 and FNV no problem and did several replays.

why? Because I actually cared about the folks in FO. The writing and the feel of FO just was so much better and relatable. Being a good guy or a bad guy MATTERED.

Oblivion and Skyrim, while fun, was just...bland. I didnt care beyond simple annoyance when characters die.

when I told my friend about this he suggested i try Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines and i was really glad I did (Playing it now in fact with the unofficial patches)

When it comes to atmosphere and characters this OLD game blows Oblivion and Skyrim off the water. So much so that I wish theyed do a sequel.

Fallout 2 closely followed by Fallout 1. New Vegas was good, would have been better with more NPCs.
Skyrim is the first Elder Scrolls I've actually enjoyed. But that could be to do with the fantastic graphics on my rig.
Damn shame Van Beuren(or whatever) got shelved, too. Would love to see another isometric Fallout game.

Both story and gameplay wise I'd say fallout by far. I can't remember the last time I actually cared about the story in an elder scrolls game. In fallout? I actually felt bad for telling super mutants where my vault was, and watch a cinematic that showed everyone getting killed and enslaved.

As for which, I loved 1,2, and NV. 1 and 2 are pretty much equal to me, with NV being a ways beneath both of them. NV is not a bad game, but it's not nearly as gripping or fun as 1 or 2.

I still have fond memories of that damn pipe rifle you get in the beginning of 2. When I found my first hunting rifle I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. There's also that high caliber rifle modded down into a pistol, believe it was in 1, def in 2. You could bring a world of hurt to someones door step with that gun.

they're like 40k and fantasy, just different settings.
why do people feel the need to compare the 2?

Because it's fun? I say I like fallout a bit more - I started with Fallout, and Daggerfall from the respective series, and as much as I loved the freedom and openness of Daggerfall, the story and style of Fallout was so much more engrossing for me. And Fallout 2 was everything Fallout was but better; the pinnacle of either series. Now don't get me wrong, Skyrim is a great game, and had the potential to be better than any other game in either franchise, but the severe dumbing down of the character building elements meant that for me at least, it falls short of its full potential.

Necroshea wrote:Both story and gameplay wise I'd say fallout by far. I can't remember the last time I actually cared about the story in an elder scrolls game. In fallout? I actually felt bad for telling super mutants where my vault was, and watch a cinematic that showed everyone getting killed and enslaved.

As for which, I loved 1,2, and NV. 1 and 2 are pretty much equal to me, with NV being a ways beneath both of them. NV is not a bad game, but it's not nearly as gripping or fun as 1 or 2.

I still have fond memories of that damn pipe rifle you get in the beginning of 2. When I found my first hunting rifle I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. There's also that high caliber rifle modded down into a pistol, believe it was in 1, def in 2. You could bring a world of hurt to someones door step with that gun.

That gun was a lot better in fallout 1 though, you got it from that dude in the hub. It fired sniper rifle ammo, and it made a great BLAM sound while someones torso dissapeared.

Also, Vindicator gatling gun.

It was called "The Gun" wasnt it? They had a toss back of it in NV I think, maybe 3 Im not sure I havnt played either in awhile. But yea, that thing was basically a must have in 1, you could just rape bandits with the thing, made me feel like the hero in a spaghetti western.

I loved the sniper aspect in NV though. I say NV because you actually could be a full on sneaky sniper type. Where as in 3, you could, but ammo was scarce and you mostly had to try and be a sniper with a hunting rifle. But yea, NV was just a blast in that regard, as sneaking and sniping is my all time fav character type to play in any game that allows it.

to be honest i didint really like fallout NV i dont like the cowboy theme i like fallout 3 better i prefer the urban fighting
i havent been bothered to play oblivion do you think i should start playing? the only problem i have about it is i dont like the magic things you can do. is it worth my time?

Yea Im not a big fan of the cowboy thing either, but hey, what can ya do right? I too preferred the urban setting in 3.



I can tell you, dont ask me on Oblivion. Why? Because I was in love with Morrowind, and from a story stand point, hated Oblivion. I liked how they did the combat in Oblivion, but the magic system was really bad as well. Its a decent game, and since you can buy it for so damn cheap, Id say why not. But dont be expecting something as awesome as Skyrim at all

I vote the elder scrolls. I like F3 and New Vegas but they don't grip me like the elder scrolls do.

Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...



.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.

well i actually have morrowind but theres no eye candy. I have heard that it has a brilliant story but its just again the magic. and the graphics arent too great.

Graphics don't matter.

What's wrong with the magic?

Graphics don't matter to you perhaps, they are pretty important for me.

Graphics are nothing more then a cherry on top of something for me. It won't make poo taste great. Where as proper game mechanics, story etc. can make the biggest turd shine like a diamond.

Graphics won't make a bad game good but they are vital to my immersion in an RPG, in a game I enjoy purely for the mechanics I can deal with minimal graphics.

And that's why I can still Diablo 1. Huzzah.

By RPG I mean actual role playing games rather than the RPG genre (for example diablo).

Well the beauty part about Morrowind, is if you think the graphics are holding you back, you can simply download some addons that make it look pretty nice. Comparable to Oblivion anyways

My personal ranking:

#1) Morrowind - Great game, well-written story, and the world was absolutely amazing
#2) Fallout 3 - The storyline was a little lacking, but the world was perfect, and it was a ton of fun
#3) Skyrim - I haven't finished it yet, so it may go up or down, depending on how the main story goes (I'm level 74, completed Companions and College but still fairly early in the main story)
#4) New Vegas - It had a ton of improvements over 3 that I really loved. But, being set in the desert wasn't nearly as interesting as DC. And, Vegas itself was boring.
#5) Oblivion - Still a great game. But, they should have skipped the voice acting and just left everything as text. And, the Oblivion gates were just too annoying and repetitive. I ended up turning on noclip and flying to the end of each of them, not because it was too hard, but because it was too boring. They're the only time I've been actively bored during a Bethesda game.


Also, Cracker, you HAVE to try Bioshock. It's basically a giant mockery of Ayn Rand. Just, turn off the Vita-Chambers first thing. They make the game WAYYY too easy.

Grakmar wrote:


Also, Cracker, you HAVE to try Bioshock. It's basically a giant mockery of Ayn Rand. Just, turn off the Vita-Chambers first thing. They make the game WAYYY too easy.

You can turn them off?

Yeah it's in the settings when you start the game.

I owned Bioshock for about 2 hours, played for an hour, got completely bored with it and returned it. I thought it was crap.

Like many people have probably said before me, it's just a steampunk systemshock, without the depth.

I recommend anyone wanting to play Fallout 2 again to download the Fallout Restoration Project Mod. Not only does it fix all the bugs but it re-adds all the missing content that Interplay never got around to adding (Sulik’s village, EPA building etc).

Oh yeah, I second that, that mod is magic.

Soladrin wrote:Btw, the pistol you were talkinga bout...



.223 Pistol is all it was called. fired .223 FMJ rounds.

God yes, how I loved that gun. Kill off the bandits that took over his house, he tells you about how his dad gave it to him or something (and that his dad was dead, no happy stories here), and watch as just about everything human sized drops to that thing. Such a beast.

I've played them both *extensively* on pc. I'd imagine on a console they're good games. But on pc, with heavy modification, they shine like nothing else I've ever experienced . And I've played a lot of pc games.

The mod scene for both games is utterly fabulous.

Fallout 3 and new Vegas are just utterly mind blowing games with heavy mods. Nothing like recruiting npcs with mods, tricking them out with space marine armor and bolters and watching the mayhem.

Oblivion with heavy mods was amazing. Full texture upgrades from the community, German Nehrim total conversion, some of the best gameplay I've ever discovered.

Haven't even bothered to mod Skyrim yet, as it's comparable to a heavily modded oblivion without the crashes that inevitably occur. Its a superb game.

I think I'd vote for the fallout series as my favorite and I vehemently disagree with those who suggest the game died with interplay. Quite the contrary, I think Bethesda revitalized the IP to unprecedented levels. They did an amazing job and fully retained the spirit of the original games.

They are both the final word in pc RPGs as far as I'm concerned. And ultimately the true value of all of these games for me is the non-linear sandbox style gameplay. You're just simply not going to find a pc game with non-linear gameplay like these games with the ultra immersive graphics, sound and lore. It doesn't exist.

Hell, I never even completed the main story in oblivion and I've played the game over and over, just enjoying the exploration and making my own gameplay. No other pc game I've ever found can provide me with that level of immersion that I've ever found.