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Rage was a dumb idea. They should have made work on a new fallout, it would have been much better.
Personally I love the fallout series. Amazing background and shtuff. I see why some people dislike new vegas due to it seeming less apocalyptic etc etc.
But with the elder scrolls, they are a good series, its just I find it difficult to get immersed properly. Whereas I always got really engrossed in fallout really quickly.

Did someone compare TES to fallout and hadn't even played fallout 1&2?
That's like talking about Danny Boyle without mentioning Trainspotting (but have seen Slumdog Millionairre and 37 hours).

Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.

Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.

corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.

Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.

Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!

Joey wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.

Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.

Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!

Im gunna go ahead and agree with Joey. Not to mention, you have to take into account how old the games are.

Fair play, I have a strong preference to first person games and anything with a physics engine so that is probably colouring my vision when it comes to gameplay.

Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 say FUS ROH DAH to the Elder Scrolls.

Wait...

Joey wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.

Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.

Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!

Agreed. I'm sorry but VATS was a terrible idea for fallout 3 and NV. Who needs skill when you can just press V and take your sweet time thinking about where to shoot? With 1 & 2 it made sense. You can either pop a shot off as fast as possible, or you can aim and use a VATS screen to see where you're shooting. In a top down isometric game this made sense, in a FPS it's like having auto aim. Because of that, I'm currently level 20 in New Vegas and I've not touched the V key. It makes combat too easy and kills the tension in a FPS.

Before playing fallout 3, I would have told you that the atmosphere should be something akin to doom 3. The world of fallout is a scary place, and there is no hope. Instead we get something like borderlands, with an occasional mutilated body thrown in to remind you that not everyone is as bad ass as you.

Necroshea wrote:

Joey wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Honestly 1 and 2 were great stories and worlds but the actual gameplay wasn't fantastic.

Fallout 3 on the other hand sacrificed a load of story and character for better gameplay and new vegas improved gameplay again while clawing back a little of the character of the originals.

Gameplay in F1&F2 was awesome. Far better than Fallout 3. Action points were cool!

Agreed. I'm sorry but VATS was a terrible idea for fallout 3 and NV. Who needs skill when you can just press V and take your sweet time thinking about where to shoot? With 1 & 2 it made sense. You can either pop a shot off as fast as possible, or you can aim and use a VATS screen to see where you're shooting. In a top down isometric game this made sense, in a FPS it's like having auto aim. Because of that, I'm currently level 20 in New Vegas and I've not touched the V key. It makes combat too easy and kills the tension in a FPS.

Before playing fallout 3, I would have told you that the atmosphere should be something akin to doom 3. The world of fallout is a scary place, and there is no hope. Instead we get something like borderlands, with an occasional mutilated body thrown in to remind you that not everyone is as bad ass as you.

Funnily enough I never actually used VATS in Fallout 1&2. I always took the fast shooting perk that took it away.
Never used it in NV either.

Lol, yeah I always took fast shot too. That and high Agility with both 1&2.

Back when books could be bought but at really high prices, I didn't feel like I HAD to have my INT set to 10 at creation to have the best chance of always meeting requirements for dialogue (I hate missing things)

Necroshea wrote:Lol, yeah I always took fast shot too. That and high Agility with both 1&2.

Back when books could be bought but at really high prices, I didn't feel like I HAD to have my INT set to 10 at creation to have the best chance of always meeting requirements for dialogue (I hate missing things)

That was my Planescape character. I can't remember if I started as
fighter and rolled into mage or the other way around.

Hmmmm, I tried planescape before but I lost interest because the intro was kind of slow.

Is it me or do things take a bit to pick up? Like I just remember not having any choices on class or anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Planescape:_Torment#The_Nameless_One

Switch classes at any level.

Necroshea wrote:Hmmmm, I tried planescape before but I lost interest because the intro was kind of slow.

Is it me or do things take a bit to pick up? Like I just remember not having any choices on class or anything.

I never got into P:T either. Despite being obsessed with BG2 (at one point I could tell you where every single NPC in the game was...not good) and Icewind Dale 2, Planescape was just kind of meh.
The dialogue was too verbose, too.

I loved planescape...

As for Fallout 1-2 (combat) builds, either all melee. Or full sniper, once you get some of the late game weapons (i'm looking at you Gauss rifle and turbo plasma) you'll still have plenty of action points left even while aiming. I've more then once gotten to the point where I could do 4 aimed shots or 6 regulars with the turbo plasma.

If I went for full fast shot, I'd end up running around with a Gatling laser or Vindicator gatling gun anyway... 4 bursts a turn from those turn anything into mince.

Best crit ever.. Gatling laser VS Deathclaw mother, 2473 damage. That number will never be forgotten. It was my first time running into her. So I assumed she was a cakewalk. My next character soon discovered the opposite was true....

I wont lie, I dont think Ive ever used VATS outside of the tutorial on how to use it. I just didnt see any need for it, if you cant shoot things in a FPS, then you shouldnt be playing a FPS

I really really hate Fallout...
Something about the 1950's and the 1920's (which isn't present in anyway in the game) that really gets me annoyed...
So i'm gonna have to go Elder Scrolls which i do actually enjoy... though it is a bit weird at times.

best song on new vegas.

purplefood wrote:I really really hate Fallout...
Something about the 1950's and the 1920's (which isn't present in anyway in the game) that really gets me annoyed...
So i'm gonna have to go Elder Scrolls which i do actually enjoy... though it is a bit weird at times.

See my love of that strange retro-futuristic 50's vibe is a huge driving force behind me preferring fallout.

remilia_scarlet wrote:


best song on new vegas.

Hell yes!
I love the radio music for both games

which series has the best gameplay I havent played much of elder scrolls so I cant really judge?

corpsesarefun wrote:

purplefood wrote:I really really hate Fallout...
Something about the 1950's and the 1920's (which isn't present in anyway in the game) that really gets me annoyed...
So i'm gonna have to go Elder Scrolls which i do actually enjoy... though it is a bit weird at times.

See my love of that strange retro-futuristic 50's vibe is a huge driving force behind me preferring fallout.

remilia_scarlet wrote:


best song on new vegas.

Hell yes!
I love the radio music for both games

yeah, new vegas had some good songs on it.

I never listened to the radio. No matter how good it is, it's not going to be better than my music.

Elder Scrolls for me. I remember watching my cousin play Daggerfall when I was about 5. Since then I've played, and thoroughly enjoyed, all of the games in the series (excluding the one for mobile *shudders*)

Then again, perhaps I am speaking from nostalgia because I've barely put 50ish hours into Skyrim. It got a bit boring. Morrowind/Oblivion were nice. Emperor forbid that I actually like Oblivion more. *hides*

I guess Daggerfall is my favorite, and really don't believe Fallout can compete. The tactical Fallouts were a bit dry for my tastes, while Fallout 3 was enjoyable, but didn't really grab my attention for too long.

I prefer none of them really, but if I have to choose I will go with Morrowind, because I HATE post nuclear setting such as in Fallout and other games.

FO3 had great music. NV not so much.

Love both series so I definitely couldn't make a decision on which one I like best.

blood lance wrote:Rage was a dumb idea. They should have made work on a new fallout, it would have been much better.
Personally I love the fallout series. Amazing background and shtuff. I see why some people dislike new vegas due to it seeming less apocalyptic etc etc.
But with the elder scrolls, they are a good series, its just I find it difficult to get immersed properly. Whereas I always got really engrossed in fallout really quickly.

Am I the only person who loved Rage? I thought it was a lot better then FO 3/NV both atmosphere and gameplay wise.

Soladrin wrote:Am I the only person who loved Rage?

I liked it, I got a big kick out of using wingsticks. However, I had the most fun at the beginning of the game fighting the...oh hell i don't remember what they're called. Their logo was like a british flag or something. Soccer hoodlums come to mind. I even got a shirt back at quakecon 2011 with the bullet teeth smile logo. Such a sweet shirt. Anyways, yeah those guys and the city of the dead were fun. After that it just seemed like it got really repetitive. I also hated the racing part.

Oh, I loved the racing, though it was far to easy.

Fallout 3 was purely amazing.... Yet new vegas didnt cut it... But le gf bought me skyrim and i must say. yummo.... was the best game ive played in a long time