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Seems like we will get more pre-heresy stuff:
I have heard that ATM there are pre-heresy Terminators in the works for a release in the not too far future.

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like we will get more pre-heresy stuff:
I have heard that ATM there are pre-heresy Terminators in the works for a release in the not too far future.

that all? or will we see the grav tank and fellblades as well?

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like we will get more pre-heresy stuff:
I have heard that ATM there are pre-heresy Terminators in the works for a release in the not too far future.

Heard from who?

As it stands, the sculptors at FW have not worked on "pre-Heresy Terminators" as a release. They've said they're keen to do something like that, but nothing is in the works.

No info about anything else ATM.

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like we will get more pre-heresy stuff:
I have heard that ATM there are pre-heresy Terminators in the works for a release in the not too far future.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like we will get more pre-heresy stuff:
I have heard that ATM there are pre-heresy Terminators in the works for a release in the not too far future.

Heard from who?

As it stands, the sculptors at FW have not worked on "pre-Heresy Terminators" as a release. They've said they're keen to do something like that, but nothing is in the works.

Kroothawk wrote:No info about anything else ATM.

Pre-Heresy Terminators would be... awesome.

So, is Kroot or Kan right here?

Well Kan is on the pulse of these sorts of things... but Kroot's a scientist shrunk down and inserted into the bloodstream inside a tiny little submarine, so he can see things first.

Did you like my horribly dated analogy there?

I admit - I loved it!

I'd love Pre-Heresy Terminators even more though...

Alpharius wrote:I admit - I loved it!

I'd love Pre-Heresy Terminators even more though...

Pre-Heresy Terminators?

I own a bunch of those, but I'm looking for something closer to:

Even if they are doing Pre-Heresy Terminators(which I find very, very unlikely given that it's one of the most frequently asked questions on their Facebook page and the response is always "We want to do them, but we need to find the right time to do them"), there's no guarantee they'll look like that Alpharius. They've also said that if they do Pre-Heresy Terminators, they won't be "Pre-Heresy Terminators". They'll be the same thing as the various Armor Marks--which is to say releases associated with specific things. There's a reason that Thunder Armor wasn't released in the packs with IA9+10. The Armor Marks which were released are still in service, but are venerated relics.

That said, I've heard nothing suggesting they're doing them---at least right now. Unless things for IA12 radically change, I'd guess it might be awhile yet to see them released.

You're crazy if you think they don't have a stack of sketches and plans for everything from MK1 to PH Termies. Probably several generations of sketches if anything!

Their lack of MK1 armor makes perfect sense in relation to current fluff... and they deny everything until they are ready to release or show lol, it's policy! They deny PH plans but as far as I can tell, they have already released everything needed except for a landspeeder and Termies lol.

I dunno, I find the only real question is when, not if. Primarchs could be a more debatable issue, as they have never truly been released (barring Russ, but wasn't he just an imperial commander at the time). Rehashing stuff they have done though? Track record shows it is pretty common at this point.

I put my money on seeing variant (PH) Terms from them in the next 2-3 years... and I also would bet they look like the artwork Alph referenced. Afterall, when they did the contemptor, they used that artwork line, not the original RT chassis as reference...

MajorTom11 wrote:You're crazy if you think they don't have a stack of sketches and plans for everything from MK1 to PH Termies. Probably several generations of sketches if anything!

Their lack of MK1 armor makes perfect sense in relation to current fluff... and they deny everything until they are ready to release or show lol, it's policy! They deny PH plans but as far as I can tell, they have already released everything needed except for a landspeeder and Termies lol.

almost correct, but they're missing jet bikes, fellblades, and the grav tank as well

MajorTom11 wrote:You're crazy if you think they don't have a stack of sketches and plans for everything from MK1 to PH Termies. Probably several generations of sketches if anything!

Their lack of MK1 armor makes perfect sense in relation to current fluff... and they deny everything until they are ready to release or show lol, it's policy! They deny PH plans but as far as I can tell, they have already released everything needed except for a landspeeder and Termies lol.

They don't actually "deny everything until they are ready to release or show". They talk about a lot of the things they're working on, if you actually ask them about it.

They deny Pre-Heresy plans because they have stated that they are not the ones who would be doing Warhammer 30k if it were to be done. Everything they've done which can be traced to that era has been done in such a way that it fits with the current Imperium. The armor marks that were released? They were released in conjunction with the Badab War books--which just so happened to include a Chapter(Carcharadons) which was detailed as using archaic wargear.

I dunno, I find the only real question is when, not if. Primarchs could be a more debatable issue, as they have never truly been released (barring Russ, but wasn't he just an imperial commander at the time). Rehashing stuff they have done though? Track record shows it is pretty common at this point.

I put my money on seeing variant (PH) Terms from them in the next 2-3 years... and I also would bet they look like the artwork Alph referenced. Afterall, when they did the contemptor, they used that artwork line, not the original RT chassis as reference...

Here you have indeed hit the crux of my post.

Will they do these kinds of things? Almost certainly. They'd be stupid not to. The only way I don't see them doing it is if GW does it first.

Whether they're called 'Pre-Heresy' or not is semantics. All but the Mk.V and Mk.VI sets they sell are 'Pre-Heresy' due to their place in the fluff (all of them came before the Heresy) even if they are not specifically called 'Pre-Heresy' armour. The Contemptor is a 'Pre-Heresy' Dreadnought but it doesn't need to be called that.

Earlier marks of Termy armour - and there's no reason to think that they wouldn't make them look like those pictures Alpha posted; they've done everything else to fit with the old fluff/style/PH artwork - would still be 'Pre-Heresy' even if they were laballed Mk.I, Mk.II and so on.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whether they're called 'Pre-Heresy' or not is semantics. All but the Mk.V and Mk.VI sets they sell are 'Pre-Heresy' due to their place in the fluff (all of them came before the Heresy) even if they are not specifically called 'Pre-Heresy' armour. The Contemptor is a 'Pre-Heresy' Dreadnought but it doesn't need to be called that.

Which was kind of my point, HBMC. People consistently ask them for "Pre-Heresy" stuff, and they say they have no plans to do the Horus Heresy era or the Great Crusade era.

There is still equipment floating around from that era, especially in the hands of the Astartes. But that does not necessarily mean that their whole idea is to do everything one would need for that particular era, wouldn't you agree?

Earlier marks of Termy armour - and there's no reason to think that they wouldn't make them look like those pictures Alpha posted; they've done everything else to fit with the old fluff/style/PH artwork - would still be 'Pre-Heresy' even if they were labelled Mk.I, Mk.II and so on.

It would actually depend on what the sculptor wants to do, for the most part. I'd also say it depends on whether or not GW gets to the project first.

Well that's unlikely. I doubt GW will get to anything Heresy related any time soon.

And it doesn't take a genius for figure out that when people ask them for 'Pre-Heresy' stuff they mean all the old armour types and vehicles, and not always "Do a 30K game!". I mean, for a group that isn't doing PH... they sure have a metric feth-ton of PH models available, wouldn't'cha say?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well that's unlikely. I doubt GW will get to anything Heresy related any time soon.

Heresy related? Certainly not! But a "new" Terminator boxed set for one army or another(Black Templars would be the "safe bet") which happens to look like the much preferred pre-Heresy look?

I could see them doing it.

And it doesn't take a genius for figure out that when people ask them for 'Pre-Heresy' stuff they mean all the old armour types and vehicles, and not always "Do a 30K game!". I mean, for a group that isn't doing PH... they sure have a metric feth-ton of PH models available, wouldn't'cha say?

They certainly do have a lot of the more archaic armor pieces available. But I think we might be at a bit of an impasse here.

You refer to it as "Pre-Heresy models". I refer to it as armor marks.

You and I are both right in that they do exist, and they most certainly come from the period before the Horus Heresy.

However we might not be seeing eye to eye on the fact that the idea isn't for them to be from that time period, but rather they're supposed to be relic pieces for Chapters.

I don't care about the time period. As I said, referring to them or not referring to them as PH is semantics. They are PH armour types because they were around pre-heresy in the fluff. Doesn't make them "pre-heresy" models, as in models that can only be used in a 30K setting, just armour types that are PH armour types.

Exactly... if Mk2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 aren't PH but 'archaic', what pray-tell would they release under the moniker PH anyways lol?

If I want to build a straight up PH style army, I have everything I need, and I'm not talking conversions, I'm talking out of the box. The only thing they could release that would be more PH than what they already have is specific character models.

*As mentioned though, there are still a few things to release, but overall, I can make a perfectly functional fluffy PH army right now as it stands.


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Also Kan, I have to disagree with your statement, which I interpret as you saying they will talk about anything they are working on if you ask them. It isn't universal.

They will talk about whatever they WANT to talk about if you ask them. And not without meetings and approvals from higher up first either I would wager. I dunno, it's kinda insulting to FW to insinuate that they have no strategy and the only thing holding us back from knowing everything they are working on is just asking lol. If that were the case, I am pretty sure you would definitely know absolutely everything FW is doing for fact. And a heck of a lot of other people including myself too...

MajorTom11 wrote:Exactly... if Mk2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 aren't PH but 'archaic', what pray-tell would they release under the moniker PH anyways lol?

How about everything you've pointed to as Pre-Heresy?

By the by:
The reason I referred to them as "archaic" is because those armor marks aren't in general use anymore. They tend to be armor suits which are considered to be relics by a Chapter which has them, or something which was found/gifted to the Chapter.

I'm not saying they weren't around Pre-Heresy, but I am saying that the release of the armor marks should not be considered to be proof of one thing or another.

The Contemptor Dreadnought's release should come as no surprise to people though, considering it was a release to tie in with IA11 which featured one of the Founding Legions, not some Successor Chapter as the main Astartes focus.

If I want to build a straight up PH style army, I have everything I need, and I'm not talking conversions, I'm talking out of the box. The only thing they could release that would be more PH than what they already have is specific character models.

*As mentioned though, there are still a few things to release, but overall, I can make a perfectly functional fluffy PH army right now as it stands.

And Legio Cybernetica Wardroids, Imperial Army troops to go with their Astartes Commanders, Jetbikes, Stormbirds, Dreadclaw Assault Pods with no Chaos iconography on them, Tetsudo APCs, and probably dozens more besides.

There's more than "a few things" to release for a "fluffy Pre-Heresy army".

Also Kan, I have to disagree with your statement, which I interpret as you saying they will talk about anything they are working on if you ask them. It isn't universal.

They will talk about whatever they WANT to talk about if you ask them. And not without meetings and approvals from higher up first either I would wager.

The sculptors and writers will talk about whatever they want to talk about if you ask them--and provided you know the right questions to ask. I'd also say that they don't seem to require meetings or approvals from higher ups, as if they did they wouldn't answer anything.

I dunno, it's kinda insulting to FW to insinuate that they have no strategy and the only thing holding us back from knowing everything they are working on is just asking lol. If that were the case, I am pretty sure you would definitely know absolutely everything FW is doing for fact. And a heck of a lot of other people including myself too...

I'm not sure where you got the idea that "they have no strategy and the only thing holding us back from knowing everything they are working on is just asking" from my post.
They do have a strategy--it's a pretty longterm one at that. It involves some projects that are so far from happening that they won't answer questions about them--the latter part, however, is for two major reasons. The first is because if you simply say "X is on the drawing board, but we don't know when it will happen"--people are a lot more forgiving than if you were to say "X is on the drawing board, it will be done by Y!" and miss the date. The second is because many of the projects haven't even really been started.



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Back on topic though:
The reason I find this whole rumor slightly off-kilter is because if they were going to have done these Terminators, IA11 would have been the perfect time for it.

Kanluwen wrote:
Back on topic though:
The reason I find this whole rumor slightly off-kilter is because if they were going to have done these Terminators, IA11 would have been the perfect time for it.

Well as usual GW is a day late and a dollar short. They should of released these 'not heresy' era armour marks before other companies got the jump on them.

I like the direction FW is going. I do hope they release other 'not heresy' stuff. Maybe you could ask FW a question since you seem to know them so well. Ask them if they could get customer feedback on what they are using their 'not heresy' marines for? IA badab war or Pre-heresy armies. I'm shure there are a lot of people using them as cool upgrades for their armies,but I think most of the sales would be for pre-heresy armies.

This is all a moot point though as CH has released their Tru-Scale marine kit, I see this being all the next rage for those who didn't want to convert or could not convert their own Tru-Scale marines.

Wee bit off-topic, but any word on those Elysian veterans?

BrookM wrote:Wee bit off-topic, but any word on those Elysian veterans?

Not that I've heard...but I haven't asked in awhile.
Last tidbit I'd heard about the Elysian veterans was that they were going to be for IA12, but if IA12 doesn't include Elysians that might be a problem...

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:I like the direction FW is going. I do hope they release other 'not heresy' stuff.

I do too, quite frankly. The naming of them aside, I do like the variety they offer.

Maybe you could ask FW a question since you seem to know them so well. Ask them if they could get customer feedback on what they are using their 'not heresy' marines for? IA badab war or Pre-heresy armies. I'm shure there are a lot of people using them as cool upgrades for their armies,but I think most of the sales would be for pre-heresy armies.

I'm not trying to dodge the question or stir up a flame war or anything here--but even if they did get the customer feedback on that, would it really matter?

As an example, how many people do you know buying Mantic's Undead or Dwarfs or Chaos Dwarfs to play Kings of War?
I'd think they'd just be excited to have people buying the stuff. In the case of Forge World, don't mistake my little debate on the naming of them for dislike of the piece. A well-done Pre-Heresy force, with the paint schemes appropriate and the like can be a gorgeous thing.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:Wee bit off-topic, but any word on those Elysian veterans?

Not that I've heard...but I haven't asked in awhile.
Last tidbit I'd heard about the Elysian veterans was that they were going to be for IA12, but if IA12 doesn't include Elysians that might be a problem...

Next time you get around to it, could you ask? Pretty please with toxic resin dust sprinkled on top?

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:Wee bit off-topic, but any word on those Elysian veterans?

Not that I've heard...but I haven't asked in awhile.
Last tidbit I'd heard about the Elysian veterans was that they were going to be for IA12, but if IA12 doesn't include Elysians that might be a problem...

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:I like the direction FW is going. I do hope they release other 'not heresy' stuff.

I do too, quite frankly. The naming of them aside, I do like the variety they offer.

Maybe you could ask FW a question since you seem to know them so well. Ask them if they could get customer feedback on what they are using their 'not heresy' marines for? IA badab war or Pre-heresy armies. I'm shure there are a lot of people using them as cool upgrades for their armies,but I think most of the sales would be for pre-heresy armies.

Don't mistake this as 'dodging the question', but is that really relevant to the point?

I mean, how many people buy Mantic's models to play Kings of War?

Honestly not really, guess I shouldn't be drinking beer at 12 noon. =o[

I hope we get to see the drop commissars soon. That's all they really need to finish off the line. I like the fact they brought back the D-99 list. It's still as pointless as it was in IA4, but it was kinda cool to see a =][= just take over the remnents of a IG army and make it his own personal army. Even with the boost to their I it was still pointless to get into HtH with the 'Nids, that is always a foolish move.

I love their Elysian line and with some 3rd party drop backs/grav belts they look amazing. They also stand in rather well for 'Imperial Army' solders and look good next to 'true scale' pre-heresy marines. Plus who doesn't have 'Ride of the Valkyries' and " I love the smell of Naplom burning in the morning, it smells like Victory' going through there minds when they play/play againsted a Elysian army

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: I love their Elysian line and with some 3rd party drop backs/grav belts they look amazing. They also stand in rather well for 'Imperial Army' solders and look good next to 'true scale' pre-heresy marines. Plus who doesn't have 'Ride of the Valkyries' and " I love the smell of Naplom burning in the morning, it smells like Victory' going through there minds when they play/play againsted a Elysian army

I punch people who bring that up whenever I play.

BrookM wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote: I love their Elysian line and with some 3rd party drop backs/grav belts they look amazing. They also stand in rather well for 'Imperial Army' solders and look good next to 'true scale' pre-heresy marines. Plus who doesn't have 'Ride of the Valkyries' and " I love the smell of Naplom burning in the morning, it smells like Victory' going through there minds when they play/play againsted a Elysian army

I punch people who bring that up whenever I play.

Whats the matter with that? If someone had a army of Vendetta's I would punch them out on general principals. But as it's a FW army if it modeled nicely and painted whats the problem? I humm it to myself when I played a Elysian army.

If you have a mp3 played docked to external speakers..... well as long as it's not to loud that would be rather cool also imho. =o]

NSFW

I don't get why they didn't fix the XV89 suits. 25 points for an upgrade identicle to the 20point upgrade in the codex? What gives?