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Norn King wrote:Maybe you could stick with imagery from the third reich sort of era. I assume the look you are going for is the spiky helmet, lots of eagles sort of theme. it does not have to be Nazi to be have the 19th century German look.

exactly
I see the draw since wwii german /did/ have a specific aesthetic and snazzy uniforms.
and say wwii german themed, not nazi themed, a splash of red w/ white trim or black in places is fine just dont over do it.
eg: wwii themed is not nazi themed necessarily

example: jin roh is awesome, and draws many parallels in german uniform design, but isnt identified as "OMG IS THE NAZEHS"

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Know why the Nazis looked so snazzi?

Hugo melon-fething Boss designed their uniforms

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I see nothing remotely "Nazi-istic" about that pic.
ADD TINY MOUSTACHES!!!

What exactly makes these necrons "Nazis"?

This is a terrible idea and you are a terrible person for even suggesting it. LOL. :p

Don't call them Nazis, and make them vaguely look like German / Eastern European warriors from the 1930s and 1940s. You care about the look of them right, not the word Nazi? Because being attached to that word is silly.

It is asking for trouble, as the reactions in this thread have shown.

Devastator wrote:

What exactly makes these necrons "Nazis"?

Not much, so why does the OP make a big stink about the nazi-theme? Is it just attention seeking?

What annoys me about these threads is that the people starting them always seem to think they are the first person to think of running a nazi-themed army and then get faux-indignant at people obviously questioning it. Like they didn't think people were going to object.

Who cares if on paper the russians killed more, the fact is that Nazism is a sore subject for a lot of people in Europe, that's just how it is. Oh yes the Imperial Guard of the 40K universe aren't a nice bunch either, but it's being deliberately obtuse to pretend that you should be okay with nazis in 40k if you are okay with the Imperium. Also, playing the germans in a historical wargame isn't like painting swastikas on your space marines either. I get fed up of that 'equivalence' being made too. They aren't equivalent, one is a depiction of a historical force, the other is a conscious decision to deliberately style a fictional futuristic force upon the nazis. So claims of 'glorification' or at best 'trivialisation' are somewhat more valid. At least if you go to a Flames of War game you expect to see 'nazis', you don't when turning up to play a bunch of necrons. Then we usually get some twit pointing out the DKoK 'nazis' showing their ignorance of the source material.

Anyway as always on these 'nazi' threads I'll point out my primary objection. I'm not 'offended' by it, I can see why many wouldn't like it, but I just think that nazism in 40K is incredibly fluff-breakingly unimaginative and dumb. But equally as dumb, is someone claiming to be making a 'nazi' force and then painting thing stuff in a manner that isn't even nazi-like. So it's just for the attention or what?

Sigh. Head for lock.

Just call it the Iron Sky Necrons. People who've seen the movie will appreciate the work. Those who haven't you can have a wonderful conversation with about them going to see the movie. Hell you'd probably even get away with Iron Sky Nazis. People do need to light up just a teenie weenie.

Advice.
ATM I can think of one thing. A female US President objective marker to go along with your army.

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See? ^ poster wants TINY MOUSTACHES too!!

Grundz wrote:

Norn King wrote:Maybe you could stick with imagery from the third reich sort of era. I assume the look you are going for is the spiky helmet, lots of eagles sort of theme. it does not have to be Nazi to be have the 19th century German look.

exactly
I see the draw since wwii german /did/ have a specific aesthetic and snazzy uniforms.
and say wwii german themed, not nazi themed, a splash of red w/ white trim or black in places is fine just dont over do it.
eg: wwii themed is not nazi themed necessarily

example: jin roh is awesome, and draws many parallels in german uniform design, but isnt identified as "OMG IS THE NAZEHS"

Looks like killzone (which is probably based on that look).

In any case, I'd mirror the swastika (where it is no longer a swastika and becomes a mathematical shape that has actual uses) so you don't support what it accomplished.

I'd feel just as awkward with someone who did any other flag as we all have our fair share of massacres we don't like brought up, but some prudes might take offense to nazi-themes (personally I'd admire the work accomplished rather than anything else), and you wouldn't be allowed into Germany.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Snip

Funny how you forget to mention all the other themed W40k armies where people have used Vietcong, Allies in WW2, Allies in WW1, etc. You're one of the aforementioned prudes when the OP is looking for suggestions, not criticism.

Some of the chaos stuff gets close to Germany during WW1 as well.

Phototoxin wrote:

copper.talos wrote:You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate nazis. They executed millions of people in furnaces & gas chambers to save time & bullets, just because they were born! So yes a nazi themed army can cause a lot of distress.

You don't have to be directly affected by WW2 to hate Russians. They executed millions of people in purges , just because they were born! So yes a Russian themed army can cause a lot of distress.

/irony

I think you mean Soviets...

Off topic: now I want to make a Grammar Nazi army.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

Originally the swastika was used as the emblem of the FINNISH airforce. Actually the Romans were the first to use it but still... why not let a person living in Finland tweak the swastika (painting it in a 45° degrees angular way) to make it look like the wwi finnish airforce?
That would still make the army look "nazi ish" and be more in a politically correct way.
I'm blaming the mantles on Hugo Boss too

The swastika is an symbol that appear in many parts of the ancient world (excluding america and australia of course)


Persian necklace ~1000 BC

So actually there is nothing wrong with the symbol itself. It has become a taboo after WW2.

Try this banner.

^this.

copper.talos wrote:The swastika is an symbol that appear in many parts of the ancient world (excluding america and australia of course)

Persian necklace ~1000 BC

So actually there is nothing wrong with the symbol itself. It has become a taboo after WW2.

It goes back even further that that ! more like 3000 to 4000 BC in India.
It is displayed prominently on many Aussie buildings circa 1920's and is on the chest of any Buddha that I have seen, ok usually the one flipped around the other way.

Symbols aren't evil guys, some people are.

Sure enough the black, white, red theme of the SS in WW2 looks cool and maybe it has been done to death a little bit, but if it is what floats you boat why not do it?
maybe you could say the theme is Sky Captain and the World of tomorrow? still get all the tight, black leather and eye patches without the bad press!

Go for it mate, I for one am keen to see your results and if you can't get a game from anyone, look me up, be I'd glad too.

I'm hoping that tomorrow we can get some results on the models (since I will be helping GoldishSM on his miniatures )
So, don't be shocked if I update some of the pictures.

Joyous_Oblivion wrote:Guess everyone who plays SS in Flames of War are evil too...

I like the concept, people need to wake up and stop being so uptight

Your analogy is silly.

FOW is a historical game the purpose of which is to recreate the events/battles of WWII. I'm not sure how much history you have read, but the SS are appropriate for that setting as it IS their setting, and the game actually has natzi models.

Choosing to make nazis in a totally fictional sci-fi setting that uses no other real world factions/powers from WWII setting will always draw a variety of reactions and have people questioning your motivations. On top of that your own behavior will further effect how people react to the idea...

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So... those look like plain scarabs to me.
Maybe if you add the white circle and black logo on their backs, they would look more themic.

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Ya not gonna lie the whole idea of nazi necrons is just kinda immature? i mean german themed go for it, but specifically nazis? i mean i understand not every nazi or german soldier wanted to eliminate the jews but still i mean theirs like a thousand better ways to put it. I personally wouldn't play against someone with an army like that just because its in bad taste

copper.talos wrote:The swastika is an symbol that appear in many parts of the ancient world (excluding america and australia of course)
Persian necklace ~1000 BC
So actually there is nothing wrong with the symbol itself. It has become a taboo after WW2.

Native Americans used it as well. You'll see it, or a variation there in, appear in Southwestern and Northwestern art. Typically refered to as the four winds.

But they didn't typically put it in a white circle on a red field.

Copper Talos wrote:The swastika is an symbol that appear in many parts of the ancient world (excluding america and australia of course)

I'm kind of tired of people pointing this out. It is not because of the swastika that people take offence to nazi imagery, it is because of what it represents.

It is in the same vein as sluggaslugga telling the guy to paint the swastika's like the finnish air force, so they won't technically be nazi's anymore. It's not about the symbol.

Can you imagine, if you came to a store with your SS-Space Marines and someone would be offended you can just say: "No you see, the swastika has actually been around since 4000 bc."
And they would just be like: "Well I learn something new every day! Carry on then!"

GoldfishSM wrote:Hi!

Sorry for doublepost. So, here are those picture I promised. This was my first time to use studio so if there is mistakes, we can blame that it was first time, right?
I hope you like this scheme as much as I do.

Here are two of the swarm bases:

Again, these look great as is. Maybe even a little IronMan too. They theme greatly with your earlier post (the rear unit, not the front one.

I'd loose the contraversy, the flag, and the word Nazi, and just keep working on this paint scheme.