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TNG, Picard, Borg. Favourite ship would be either the Krenim Time Ship or the time ship from Future's End, both from Voyager.

I'm a TNG fan, as that was perfect Star Trek imo. Everything else after that is a pale imitation.

TNG, doctor from Voyager, Ferengi (just because they are funny, and were involved in some great episodes).

Thought the new film was a blast, and certainly held the attention, but it's not 'star trek' in the sense that the character of the show was just an action movie rather than anything that came from Gene Roddenbery.

Used to love TNG, used to really enjoy tuning in to BBC2 on a Wednesday evening to watch every week.

Least favourite is probably Enterprise. Not quite sure where it missed the mark: Found Captain Archer more annoying than Janeway, and the music was appalling. Not sure really, perhaps a similar complaint to the new movie, the characters in it were too recognisably comparable to ourselves, rather than the Utopian ideal that the other series had presented (although I realise people may have liked it more for precisely that reason).

Blogging a DS9 runthrough right now here

TOS. It was ground breaking. Otherwise DS9. Other than Picard/Worf I was not a fan of the TNG series. It was like PC written into a TV show format. VERY VERY much the same for Voyager and early DS9. However DS9 evolved quickly and plumbed some deep elements not often seen in ST universe - all those angsty human emotions. PLus lots of killy goodness.


ST revemped Enterprise (Star Trek II era), and JemHadar attack ship.

DS9, Sisko, Romulan Warbird, Romulans.

I cordially loathe the reset.

Problems start off from the beginning. "We are being sent to investigate a Romulan Ship" Kirk Sr. tells the crew. Nero's mining ship looks NOTHING like any Romulan ship seen in ANY series, much less by the Federation at that time (which had only seen their cheap, barely-warp-capable tin cans in the Fed/Romulan War). The guy they send over show NO surprise at finding Vulcans on board - remember, up 'til the time where Kirk Jr. fights the cloaked Warbird in TOS (some 15 years after the END of the new movie, much less the begining), NO ONE in the Federation had seen a Romulan; a Fed officer would assume Nero was a crazed Vulcan instead. And yet, everyone knows the Romulans were the ones in the ship. How?

Next: Spock (in the future) was too late to stop the destruction of the Romulan Homworld. Given that he has, on no less than three occasions (and twice using a KLINGON computer) made the necessary calculations to slingshot himself and his ship though time... Hunh? How does he not take advantage of this? For that matter, how does he fail to convince Nero that he can do this? Oh, yeah, it would be a boring movie that way...

And that's not including the whole idea of filming the engineering scenes in what is flagrantly obviosuly a brewery; sure, Scotty's gonna feel right at home, but... c'mon. A brewery is the BEST you could do with that budget?

TNG, Data, Klingons, NCC-1701-D

As for the new movie, it was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised by it.

Vulcan wrote:I cordially loathe the reset.

Problems start off from the beginning. "We are being sent to investigate a Romulan Ship" Kirk Sr. tells the crew. Nero's mining ship looks NOTHING like any Romulan ship seen in ANY series, much less by the Federation at that time (which had only seen their cheap, barely-warp-capable tin cans in the Fed/Romulan War). The guy they send over show NO surprise at finding Vulcans on board - remember, up 'til the time where Kirk Jr. fights the cloaked Warbird in TOS (some 15 years after the END of the new movie, much less the begining), NO ONE in the Federation had seen a Romulan; a Fed officer would assume Nero was a crazed Vulcan instead. And yet, everyone knows the Romulans were the ones in the ship. How?

Next: Spock (in the future) was too late to stop the destruction of the Romulan Homworld. Given that he has, on no less than three occasions (and twice using a KLINGON computer) made the necessary calculations to slingshot himself and his ship though time... Hunh? How does he not take advantage of this? For that matter, how does he fail to convince Nero that he can do this? Oh, yeah, it would be a boring movie that way...

And that's not including the whole idea of filming the engineering scenes in what is flagrantly obviosuly a brewery; sure, Scotty's gonna feel right at home, but... c'mon. A brewery is the BEST you could do with that budget?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it was in a brewery.

Frazzled, your not the only one, the reboot is as a scifi film alright but as a star trek its a huge kick in the face. But that said it was an odd number so maybe the new one might be better being an even number.
Remember all odd numbered star treks are s**t.

Ribon Fox wrote:Frazzled, your not the only one, the reboot is as a scifi film alright but as a star trek its a huge kick in the face. But that said it was an odd number so maybe the new one might be better being an even number.
Remember all odd numbered star treks are s**t.

I liked it actually. The visuals were just amazing.

Enterprise kind of Retconned a lot of Federation/Romulan history.

Given that he has, on no less than three occasions (and twice using a KLINGON computer) made the necessary calculations to slingshot himself and his ship though time... Hunh? How does he not take advantage of this?

Umm... Temporal Prime Directive? Sling shotting ones self through time would solve virtually every problem in the Star Trek universe.

I agree about the way Nero's ship is designed. It looks NOTHING like any previously seen Romulan design and its awfully large and awkwardly shaped. I mean they provided a back story for the ship in a comic book but the story made no sense. Why the gak would the Romulan backwards engineer Borg tech just to outfit it onto a mining ship @_@

My only major complaint about the latest version is Chekov. He went from being a prettyboy nationalist to Wesley Crusher.
He states he is 17, and he seems to be some kind of (tech?) genius, pulling off transporter tricks that would have done Scotty proud.

LordofHats wrote:Enterprise kind of Retconned a lot of Federation/Romulan history.

Given that he has, on no less than three occasions (and twice using a KLINGON computer) made the necessary calculations to slingshot himself and his ship though time... Hunh? How does he not take advantage of this?

Umm... Temporal Prime Directive? Sling shotting ones self through time would solve virtually every problem in the Star Trek universe.

I agree about the way Nero's ship is designed. It looks NOTHING like any previously seen Romulan design and its awfully large and awkwardly shaped. I mean they provided a back story for the ship in a comic book but the story made no sense. Why the gak would the Romulan backwards engineer Borg tech just to outfit it onto a mining ship @_@

Rule of Cool?

helgrenze wrote:My only major complaint about the latest version is Chekov. He went from being a prettyboy nationalist to Wesley Crusher.
He states he is 17, and he seems to be some kind of (tech?) genius, pulling off transporter tricks that would have done Scotty proud.

He is a young genius. But, that's still really far from Wesley Crusher. The problem with Wesley wasn't just that he was this super-smart kid with way too much responsibility. It was that he was always the center of attention, and other characters had to behave like idiots so that Wesley could out-smart them all.

Frazzled wrote:Rule of Cool?

I suppose. The Federation will now quake in fear at the rate Romulans can mine asteroids

Missed opportunity. If the Klingon fleet has been destroyed by the Romulans (never understood why) now is the chance for the Federation to launch an all out 40K grudge match war and end the Klingon threat once and for all.

Under an enlighted Frazzled Federation, a weakend Empire would have a very bad day shortly thereafter.

Ah yes the poor red shirt

I like it all really, but I cant pick a favorit thou, But I would not mind that counselor Troy thou

The new film seemed like Star Trek Kids to me.

@OP: Voyager, Seven of Nine, Borg.

Am I a bad person for preferring Voyager? Admittedly partly due to Jeri Ryan, but still...

Skarwael wrote:The new film seemed like Star Trek Kids to me.

They seem about 11-15 years before STOS. I believe Menagerie had Spock serving with Pike on Enterprise 11 or so years before.

Am I a bad person for preferring Voyager?

yes, yes you are.

Skarwael wrote:Am I a bad person for preferring Voyager? Admittedly partly due to Jeri Ryan, but still...

Voyager gets a bad rap. It's definitely not the best Star Trek if you're looking for an in-depth plot (DS9), sci-fi adventures (TNG), or social commentary (TOS). But, if you're looking for something fun and relaxing, it's perfectly acceptable.

Trekkies tend to hate it, but don't worry about us, if you enjoy it, watch it.

Grakmar wrote:

helgrenze wrote:My only major complaint about the latest version is Chekov. He went from being a prettyboy nationalist to Wesley Crusher.
He states he is 17, and he seems to be some kind of (tech?) genius, pulling off transporter tricks that would have done Scotty proud.

He is a young genius. But, that's still really far from Wesley Crusher. The problem with Wesley wasn't just that he was this super-smart kid with way too much responsibility. It was that he was always the center of attention, and other characters had to behave like idiots so that Wesley could out-smart them all.

They also were referencing that the chracter was created in the first place to try and appeal to teenagers. Making him something of a gifted physicist/mathematician gives a reason for someone that young to actually be on the bridge of a starship.

Frazzled wrote:

Skarwael wrote:The new film seemed like Star Trek Kids to me.

They seem about 11-15 years before STOS. I believe Menagerie had Spock serving with Pike on Enterprise 11 or so years before.

If I recall they actually were about the same age as the original actors when they played the parts, they just seem younger. It is like when people complained that the guy who played BA in the new A-Team movie wasn't tall enough, but in reality he is taller than Mr. T. I wonder if they even found the planet Menagerie took place on becuase of the timeline split? It was a flawed film but it was fun, which is something Trek hadn't been in a long time.

Maybe. Shatner was in his thirties. Was the new guy?

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Shatner was in his thirties. Was the new guy?

I recall having the discussion here, and I might be remembering it backwards. Maybe it was that the new cast (excluding aliens that don't age like us of course) were closer to their characters actual ages. Most of the original cast were mid-30's, except deforest Kelley who was mid 40's.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Shatner was in his thirties. Was the new guy?

I recall having the discussion here, and I might be remembering it backwards. Maybe it was that the new cast (excluding aliens that don't age like us of course) were closer to their characters actual ages. Most of the original cast were mid-30's, except deforest Kelley who was mid 40's.

the second part is true. Again, I really don't know the ages of the new cast, except the new McCoy is closer in age, as he's been around a few years on the acting, so I'll agree with what you post. Now "game wise" they are indeed considerably younger on the order of a decade. Kirk's promotion to Captain and Captain of what appears to be the newest heavy hiiter of the Fed fleet, is an astoundingly jump the shark moment (as is everyone else retaining their jobs-don't they have like school to go to or something?).

INteresting. If Kirk is a genius, Chekov is a genius, Spock is a genius, aren't they kind of self selecting a really small Star Fleet? When every Chang, Kang, and Kor are given weapons and a ship to go conquer the galaxy with, aren't we putting the Feds at a disadvantage?

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Shatner was in his thirties. Was the new guy?

I recall having the discussion here, and I might be remembering it backwards. Maybe it was that the new cast (excluding aliens that don't age like us of course) were closer to their characters actual ages. Most of the original cast were mid-30's, except deforest Kelley who was mid 40's.

the second part is true. Again, I really don't know the ages of the new cast, except the new McCoy is closer in age, as he's been around a few years on the acting, so I'll agree with what you post. Now "game wise" they are indeed considerably younger on the order of a decade. Kirk's promotion to Captain and Captain of what appears to be the newest heavy hiiter of the Fed fleet, is an astoundingly jump the shark moment (as is everyone else retaining their jobs-don't they have like school to go to or something?).

INteresting. If Kirk is a genius, Chekov is a genius, Spock is a genius, aren't they kind of self selecting a really small Star Fleet? When every Chang, Kang, and Kor are given weapons and a ship to go conquer the galaxy with, aren't we putting the Feds at a disadvantage?

To quote MST3K, just repeat to yourself it is just a show, you should really just relax. In reality having all the brightest talent of the fleet on one ship wouldn't be a very good idea. Kirk was supposed to be the youngest Captain in the history of Starfleet. I guess by Starfleet rules once you assume Captain, what with Pike being a POW, and Spock resigning, you get to keep it. That is why Spock had to ask to be first officer. It's a utopia military fleet, who knows what their wierd regulations are.

And Karl Urban was a great McCoy.

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Ahtman wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Shatner was in his thirties. Was the new guy?

I recall having the discussion here, and I might be remembering it backwards. Maybe it was that the new cast (excluding aliens that don't age like us of course) were closer to their characters actual ages. Most of the original cast were mid-30's, except deforest Kelley who was mid 40's.

the second part is true. Again, I really don't know the ages of the new cast, except the new McCoy is closer in age, as he's been around a few years on the acting, so I'll agree with what you post. Now "game wise" they are indeed considerably younger on the order of a decade. Kirk's promotion to Captain and Captain of what appears to be the newest heavy hiiter of the Fed fleet, is an astoundingly jump the shark moment (as is everyone else retaining their jobs-don't they have like school to go to or something?).

INteresting. If Kirk is a genius, Chekov is a genius, Spock is a genius, aren't they kind of self selecting a really small Star Fleet? When every Chang, Kang, and Kor are given weapons and a ship to go conquer the galaxy with, aren't we putting the Feds at a disadvantage?

To quote MST3K, just repeat to yourself it is just a show, you should really just relax. In reality having all the brightest talent of the fleet on one ship wouldn't be a very good idea. Kirk was supposed to be the youngest Captain in the history of Starfleet. I guess by Starfleet rules once you assume Captain, what with Pike being a POW, and Spock resigning, you get to keep it. That is why Spock had to ask to be first officer. It's a utopia military fleet, who knows what their wierd regulations are.

And Karl Urban was a great McCoy.

Yes, he plays "just below the surface angry" pretty well. Not as good as Eastwood, but well. Its all in the grinding teeth thing...

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Quark, DS9, Romulans

Favourite ship - USS Defiant by a mile.

When threads like this come up it reminds me I need to get DS9, Next Gen and the movies on Blueray at some point.

Big Star Trek fan, liked the new movie and looking forward to the sequel.

Quark is my fave character mainly as I love the back and forth between him and Odo, Kira, pretty much everyone on the station. I am also a fan of Armin Shimerman, so really enjoy his playing of the role through-out the series. He gets so many great lines in DS9 though, although I have to be honest its hard to pick out a fave DS9 character, there are several contenders, although that is a good sign of how well it was made.

Obviously DS9 is my fave series, as is clearly shown via my Quark answer, after that I think I mark it as, TNG, TOS, Voy and then Enterprise.
I really do hope we see another series eventually, as I am a fan of the universe and would like to see more of it on a weekly basis.

Fave race is Romulans, for several reasons, look, ships, oddly the whole Redemption Storyline, with Lursa and B'Etor being backed by Sela. Also I used to play the old Card game a lot as well, nearly always as the Romulans to my mates Klingons, as he was a big fan of them. (waits for Ravenblade to appear.. )

Oh and I love the D'deridex class Warbird.

Again I agree with most of your post.

My fav from DS9 was Elim Garak. Best character ever until they got near the end of the show, then he got a little silly. But over all him and Enabran Tain ( his mentor) where some great episodes. Plus who didn't like the Obsidian Order? or the Tal-Shiar or even the Feddy verson Section 31. Kinda neat IMHO, then again I am a sucker for spy shows (Le Femme Nikita both the movie and the TV show are favs of mine.)

Fave race is Romulans, for several reasons, look, ships, oddly the whole Redemption Storyline, with Lursa and B'Etor being backed by Sela. Also I used to play the old Card game a lot as well, nearly always as the Romulans to my mates Klingons, as he was a big fan of them. (waits for Ravenblade to appear.. )

Yes you P'tagh, I gave you the honour of being destroyed by true warriors! some epic duels there for sure damn those D'deridex warships with there stupidly high weapon power
but atleast I could get a BoP zerg sometimes.