Mass Effect 3 Excrement Storm (SPOILERS)

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**Karon**

>I haven't played the game
>Game is gak

Thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

Getting mine tomorrow (obviously) and will play it through. I expect nothing but an improvement on ME2, which was one of the best games ever made all around.

**Kanluwen**

Amaya wrote:

It's shaping up to be a bad year for Bioware. Estimates are that SW:ToR last lost as many as 60% of its initial subscribers

Slightly off-topic, but...
This isn't unusual, at all, for an MMO following its launch. There's a huge surge at the launch, then a massive decline shortly thereafter. A population will tend to level out with a gradual increase and then when expansions come the cycle repeats.

and the ME3 fan rage is the greatest I've witnessed in any fashion since the legendary backlash over Blizzard's plan to add realid to the forums.

Yes, fanbases tend to get ridiculous over leaked ending material.

It's pretty sad that with Dragon Age 2, Skyrim, SWToR, I still prefer WoW. Gameplay > story.

I'm confused. Why are you lumping all of these things in to talk about "you still prefer WoW"? Is WoW suddenly a single player, open-world game like Skyrim(which isn't even a BioWare product, no clue why you've got it in your post there)? An NPC party adventure like Dragon Age 2?

The only reasonable comparison you made was SWTOR, which is a bit silly as in the time since its launch TOR has put out quite a bit of material(a new raid and a new instance), and has a bit more coming very soon(another new raid, another new instance and a whole slew of new quest lines on Corellia).

**dogma**

I'm still trying to figure out in what universe WoW has good gameplay.

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Kanluwen wrote:
The only reasonable comparison you made was SWTOR, which is a bit silly as in the time since its launch TOR has put out quite a bit of material(a new raid and a new instance), and has a bit more coming very soon(another new raid, another new instance and a whole slew of new quest lines on Corellia).

Its also, basically, just WoW with voice acting.

**Kanluwen**

I wouldn't go that far, but it most certainly does have quite a bit in common with WoW.

Annoyingly enough though, people want it to be more like WoW.

**Karon**

Wow, you render your entire argument invalid when you compare Skyrim (which is made by Bethesda...), Dragon Age 2, and SWTOR (a game that came out in late December...) to a game that does the same thing every expansion and has has 8 years to refine itself.

Like, how does your brain calculate those to make a point?

**asimo77**

Would someone mind giving me a summation of all the important plot details? I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly happens in ME3. I'm mostly getting vague forum threads and youtube videos with no sound on my internets sleuthing.

**Slarg232**

Kanluwen wrote:

and the ME3 fan rage is the greatest I've witnessed in any fashion since the legendary backlash over Blizzard's plan to add realid to the forums.

Yes, fanbases tend to get ridiculous over leaked ending material.

Yeah, kind of like Batman: Arkim City. That's kind of a big deal....

ME2, which was one of the best games ever made all around.

Sidequest; the game was actually very bland, and mostly a GoW rip off with "Choices".

Seriously, the only thing that truely brings Mass Effect out of the "Generic Sci Fi setting" crowd is the fact that your saves carry over from game to game. Other than that, there really isn't anything that makes it special....

**BaronIveagh**

dogma wrote:
I would appreciate a link, because what you seem to have read is not what I read.

I would but it looks like EA has been busy on youtube today.

dogma wrote:
Jack/Miranda/Ashley ship?

Maybe some Tali for flavor?

Liara andTali are recruitable for your team, as well as Garrus and Ashley/Kaiden. Not all LIs made the cut. Everyone else is pretty much cameos or a quest giver. If you stayed true, they made a few second long cameo as Shep has a flashback.

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Karon wrote:>I haven't played the game
>Game is gak

Thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

Getting mine tomorrow (obviously) and will play it through. I expect nothing but an improvement on ME2, which was one of the best games ever made all around.

Game leaked last Thursday. Have fun with your game, and be sure to buy extra controllers.

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Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, fanbases tend to get ridiculous over leaked ending material.

Frighteningly, you and I agree for once. Particularly in this case as the ending was very much different then what the fans had hoped for.

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asimo77 wrote:Would someone mind giving me a summation of all the important plot details? I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly happens in ME3. I'm mostly getting vague forum threads and youtube videos with no sound on my internets sleuthing.

Unfortunately EA has been busy today. Bioware's ME3 forum is pretty much locked and a lot of it you have to wade through 500+ pages. There was a walk through vid series on youtube, with audio, but I believe EA has removed it.

**Wildstorm**

I missed out of ME1 because of a certain MMO that sucked my life away for too many years...

I jumped into ME2 and just loved it. So much that after two playthroughs I went back and bought ME1 so that I could do it "right" for me.

Yeah, you might guess by my signature, I've been waiting for ME3 for a while. It's a shame about spoiler ending, but just like some movie previews I've been avoiding these.

Bring on ME3 already! I'll get to the ending(s) soon enough...

**TedNugent**

asimo77 wrote:Would someone mind giving me a summation of all the important plot details? I'm having a hard time figuring out what exactly happens in ME3. I'm mostly getting vague forum threads and youtube videos with no sound on my internets sleuthing.

Posting this again for you and anyone else who might not have seen it. It is the Renegade ending for Mass Effect 3. Sorry, by the way, this was the only video clip that was anything close to actually being footage from the rest of the game, and this I had to prune from pages and pages of self-referential inside chatter and game demo videos. And it goes without saying HUGE SPOILER ALERT OMIGODDD

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**asimo77**

I appreciate the effort but unfortunatley the video has been removed. I suppose I can wait a few days until the game's out and everything is more accessible. I think I have a basic understanding of the endings but I'm most curious about the Reapers. What is their motivation, origins, leader, etc.

**TedNugent**

asimo77 wrote:I appreciate the effort but unfortunatley the video has been removed. I suppose I can wait a few days until the game's out and everything is more accessible. I think I have a basic understanding of the endings but I'm most curious about the Reapers. What is their motivation, origins, leader, etc.

Already? Oh, for God's sake, that stupid DMCA. They take anything off just based on a copyright claim. I don't know what court case has established that you can copyright a videogame being played, but they pull it anyway just to be on the safe side. I hate American law. Anyway, based on my shoddy memory and my short attention span, here's a description of the ending:

HUGE SPOILERS INCOMING:

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**LordofHats**

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**asimo77**

Thanks for the summary.

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**BaronIveagh**

asimo77 wrote:Thanks for the summary.

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Is the kid/leader supposed to be a VI/AI hologram of the Reaper's creator species? I can only imagine what kind of silly device could simultaneously destroy Earth and kill the Reapers, and more importantly why would the Reaper leader even offer it to you? Hell why would he give Shepard any options other than "EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE". Also as Lordofhats noted their reason for genocide is pretty stupid

as I've said, it makes little sense. Sheppard never uses the grey matter in his head in the last ten min of the game, and the reapers are just as wildly contrived at this point.

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**asimo77**

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**BaronIveagh**

asimo77 wrote:

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I'm assuming the cyborg ending is made possible with Reaper tech/magic. Still doesn't explain why anyone would choose that. If everyone is synthetic then the Reapers would just leave us alone? Why would the Reapers even have the ability to make that transformation in the first place? Or is Shepard basically turning everyone into Husks with that ending? Seems Sarenish, if you can't beat them join them or something like that.

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**dogma**

Kanluwen wrote:I wouldn't go that far, but it most certainly does have quite a bit in common with WoW.

Annoyingly enough though, people want it to be more like WoW.

I mean, its a hotkey MMO, it can't be all that different. I would say that it at least doesn't have any pure healers, but neither does WoW anymore. The only reason I played it at all was because of the emphasis on story.

As far as gameplay MMOs go, I'm looking at GW2 and Planetside 2.

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asimo77 wrote:Thanks for the summary.

Spoiler:

Is the kid/leader supposed to be a VI/AI hologram of the Reaper's creator species? I can only imagine what kind of silly device could simultaneously destroy Earth and kill the Reapers, and more importantly why would the Reaper leader even offer it to you? Hell why would he give Shepard any options other than "EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE". Also as Lordofhats noted their reason for genocide is pretty stupid

It would probably help to have access to the rest of the story.

The end of Moby Dick doesn't make much sense without the rest of the book either.

**BaronIveagh**

dogma wrote:
It would probably help to have access to the rest of the story.

The end of Moby Dick doesn't make much sense without the rest of the book either.

It doesn't make much sense in the context either, as it's a Deus Ex Machina of the most literal sense.

**Melissia**

The reviews I've gotten from friends is that ME3 is ass-kickage.

Maybe their standards are lower than yours, but honestly, from what I read, it looks pretty cool. A bit dark, but 'tis said the coldest hour is the one just before the dawn...

**Necros**

Lucky me (sort of) .. I'm sick, got this crazy ear infection :(

But, that means I'm just working a half day to go to the dr and get some pills, and will most likely be home sick tomorrow.

What shall I do to pass the time?

**Manchu**

Play Dragon Age 2?

I'm sorry, that was mean. I'm just jealous.

**BaronIveagh**

Melissia wrote:The reviews I've gotten from friends is that ME3 is ass-kickage.

Maybe their standards are lower than yours, but honestly, from what I read, it looks pretty cool. A bit dark, but 'tis said the coldest hour is the one just before the dawn...

Yeah, the common refrain is 'the ending is not for everyone'.

**MrDwhitey**

Manchu wrote:Play Dragon Age 2?

I'm sorry, that was mean. I'm just jealous.

Indeed, I'd want to do something fun if I was ill, not horrible.

**Necros**

Got some pills, getting better now

I could have gone to work today, but saving the universe seems a lot more important than building websites right now.

**TedNugent**

Looking back at it more carefully, now that IGN has posted the full game ending,

SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSPOILERS

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**BaronIveagh**

And the fact that Tali';s picture is a stock photo that they photo-shopped a little.

**AlexHolker**

TedNugent wrote:

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I think the real problem that people are getting upset about is the BLATANT deus ex machina more than anything else

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I think my personal fanon will be sticking with ME1: Femshep and Liara save the galaxy, have a couple of blue kids and live happily ever after. The end.

**Chongara**

dogma wrote:
The end of Moby Dick doesn't make much sense without the rest of the book either.

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**Asherian Command**

Chongara wrote:
dogma wrote:
The end of Moby Dick doesn't make much sense without the rest of the book either.

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The VI/Sentient Citadel kid is never explained in any meaningful fashion, and the reasoning behind the choices the force you into make no sense in the context of the rest of the story. "Created will always rebel against creators, synthetic life will eventually always destroy organic life, we're here to kill organic life before it can make synthetic life, rinse repeat" despite the fact at that point in the game you've resolved the Geth/Quarian issue and the Geth are making a point of helping the Quarians. Never mind that it was the Quarians who started all that gak in the first place and if they didn't have as itchy a trigger finger the Geth would have been more than happy to remain Helperbots.

It also feels grossly out of the tone for game that in each allowed you to play a character to sticks to his/her ideals and comes out on top, winning in the end without having to compromise their integrity. But the choices boil down to "Kill all Robots", "Destroy all life as we know it", "Become the Lich King (the bad guy was right)". Really the only ending that makes ANY sense in any context is the "Kill all Synthetics" ending, and only if you were playing hardcore renegade Shepard.

That last statement is wrong about the hardcore renegade Shepard.

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