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sudojoe wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:He also have the versitility to tackle other targets that no one else can. Only guy that can snipe sergeants and special weapons in the game. A very handy niche.

Telion says hi.

Would Telion consider getting lent out to my Gk army for a stint? I'd actually really like that lol. It'd be amazing. I can also put down increased BS for the space monkey henchmen there. It'd be awesome.

Forgot about him,

but he's just got a bolter. Vindicare has his awsome Exitus weapons.

Grey Templar wrote:

sudojoe wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:He also have the versitility to tackle other targets that no one else can. Only guy that can snipe sergeants and special weapons in the game. A very handy niche.

Telion says hi.

Would Telion consider getting lent out to my Gk army for a stint? I'd actually really like that lol. It'd be amazing. I can also put down increased BS for the space monkey henchmen there. It'd be awesome.

Forgot about him,

but he's just got a bolter. Vindicare has his awsome Exitus weapons.

Meh just lop em all up with lawnmower

3++ cover 6+FNP is crap against small arms. That's 1/6th tougher than 2 grey hunters, 4 guardsmen in cover, or 3 ork boys in cover. The good news is unless the other side is DE or GK the first couple rounds should be safe from small arms fire.

3++ cover 6+FNP is ok against long ranged firepower. Most long ranged firepower doesn't do a lot of wounds, and it's often mid range str such as AC which really shouldn't be shooting at a vindicare. If it's S8 or higher such as 4 krak missile wounds there is always the option of going to ground.

This is true. A squad of marines rapid firing at an assassin of any type will down them. But, an assassin is an expendable part of any grey knight army. A glass sword.

schadenfreude wrote:3++ cover 6+FNP is crap against small arms. That's 1/6th tougher than 2 grey hunters, 4 guardsmen in cover, or 3 ork boys in cover. The good news is unless the other side is DE or GK the first couple rounds should be safe from small arms fire.

3++ cover 6+FNP is ok against long ranged firepower. Most long ranged firepower doesn't do a lot of wounds, and it's often mid range str such as AC which really shouldn't be shooting at a vindicare. If it's S8 or higher such as 4 krak missile wounds there is always the option of going to ground.

agree
I will be happy if my enemy spend some missiles or even lascannons on my vindicare, that means my storm raven and other vehicles are safer

I agree, Assassins are very effective, and very vulnerable to standard small arms fire. With an empty rhino or Chimera lying around, they get a better chance of it. They have their uses, but I rarely use them. Those 150 points can be spent a variety of other ways.

schadenfreude wrote:3++ cover 6+FNP is crap against small arms. That's 1/6th tougher than 2 grey hunters, 4 guardsmen in cover, or 3 ork boys in cover. The good news is unless the other side is DE or GK the first couple rounds should be safe from small arms fire.

3++ cover 6+FNP is ok against long ranged firepower. Most long ranged firepower doesn't do a lot of wounds, and it's often mid range str such as AC which really shouldn't be shooting at a vindicare. If it's S8 or higher such as 4 krak missile wounds there is always the option of going to ground.

Don't knock the 6+, the number of times its saved my assassins skin at a crucial moment are very memorable.

Grey Templar wrote:Don't knock the 6+, the number of times its saved my assassins skin at a crucial moment are very memorable.

Of course it would be memorable, your not going to remember the 5 out of 6 times it didn't work, because that is not exciting or unexpected.

Of course I am known for rolling more then my fair share of 6s.

I even let my opponent use my dice, and they roll nothing but 1s

As I run a techmarine in my list, that 3++ cover is often a 2++ whenever I can. That really make a huge difference in how long the Vindicare can survive.

It cute the damage he takes in half and with a 2++ save cover save, people will often not fire at him at all.


I have not found the vindicare to be that efftive when he is shooting at infantry. I have a propensity to not wound with his shield breaker, or the enemy gets a cover save.
Against tanks, he usually does well, as long as there is no cover around.

Vindicare Assassins are awesome. I've got a metal one I've been using since 4e, he turns the tide whenever he's deployed by exploding a Land Raider or dropping heavy weapon infantry/power fists.

From what I know of the rules, the Eversor is pretty useless, the Culexis is only helpful if the other guy is running a really frakking big Seer Council (something you're only going to see in Apocalypse games), and the Callidus is somewhat situational but can be powerful when facing non-elite armies (Guard, Ulthwe Eldar, swarm 'Nid builds, sometimes Orks).

The Eversor is ok as he is, the issue with him is that he really needs a transport. If he can get into combat he eats face.