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Absolutionis wrote:

Henners91 wrote:I was about to say that I can't think of a GW model that looks identical to something, but then this happened:

GW has ripped off many things in the past, including Starship Troopers... but the aesthetic is NOT it.

Starship Troopers were not described as anything like what the movie displayed. They didn't have bare arms and goofy helmets. The novel had them with full faceplates, heavier armor, and the occasional trooper in Power Armor.

The movie was made in 1997.
Cadians first came out around 1989.

When did the Cadian Shock Troops box come out? I know old Cadians looked nothing like them.

And yes, I get that there's a lot of rage about Starship Troopers being butchered... I've not read the book but from what I understand it's a lovely pro-fascist piece of work by a staunch militarist whose 'service' to his country was... in the Coast Guard. So I'm not sure about just how much I am going to enjoy that one.

Absolutionis wrote:Cadians first came out around 1989.

No they didn't!

Cadians were in the 90's.

Absolutionis wrote:

Henners91 wrote:I was about to say that I can't think of a GW model that looks identical to something, but then this happened:

GW has ripped off many things in the past, including Starship Troopers... but the aesthetic is NOT it.

Starship Troopers were not described as anything like what the movie displayed. They didn't have bare arms and goofy helmets. The novel had them with full faceplates, heavier armor, and the occasional trooper in Power Armor.

I thought all of the M.I were in powered armor.



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Henners91 wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

Henners91 wrote:I was about to say that I can't think of a GW model that looks identical to something, but then this happened:

GW has ripped off many things in the past, including Starship Troopers... but the aesthetic is NOT it.

Starship Troopers were not described as anything like what the movie displayed. They didn't have bare arms and goofy helmets. The novel had them with full faceplates, heavier armor, and the occasional trooper in Power Armor.

The movie was made in 1997.
Cadians first came out around 1989.

When did the Cadian Shock Troops box come out? I know old Cadians looked nothing like them.

And yes, I get that there's a lot of rage about Starship Troopers being butchered... I've not read the book but from what I understand it's a lovely pro-fascist piece of work by a staunch militarist whose 'service' to his country was... in the Coast Guard. So I'm not sure about just how much I am going to enjoy that one.

It's not pro-fascist. There is nothing in the novel that indicates that. And there were old cadians?

Yep, and they looked god-awful... yet somehow have a following, just like how there are people that like those stupid squad models




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And once again I allow Wikipedia to form my opinion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers#Controversy


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Looks like I am wrong about Heinlein being in the coastguard though... damn my School-friend lying to me back then...

ANOTHER tiberium C&C? How? Considering NOD transcended to a higher plane of existence, and GDI fell apart because of how corrupt it was, I can't see this working.

EA has butchered C&C, they ruined it.

Good spot, i lol'd.

There is no grounds to sue, it easily has the required 7 (?) major Aesthetic differences to see a pursuing lawsuit thrown out.

This is akin to you complaining that the 'Cheetah' from GTA: Vice City looks just like the Ferrari Testarossa. Yes they ripped it off, can GW do anything about it?

No.

blood lance wrote:You dont see the german military sueing gamesworkshop for using the old ww2 trooper uniform design for many of their IG regiments.

I wonder why?

DeadlySquirrel wrote:ANOTHER tiberium C&C? How? Considering NOD transcended to a higher plane of existence, and GDI fell apart because of how corrupt it was, I can't see this working.

EA has butchered C&C, they ruined it.

Actually GDI stayed together just fine and it wasnt corrupt. (Not quite sure what makes you say otherwise)

but ya Im also confused before Nod did leave

Perkustin wrote:Good spot, i lol'd.

There is no grounds to sue, it easily has the required 7 (?) major Aesthetic differences to see a pursuing lawsuit thrown out.

No 3 bolters on the sponsons, no auxiliary autocannon, and the barrels are different, what's the others?

Henners91 wrote:

Looks familiar, no?

EA has always do a dirrty copy of the competitors.
the 'power-armor' infantry thing was originally designed AFTER Blizzard's marines armor. Jetpack thing wasn't introduced UNTIL DoW1 teaser being exhibited in E3 (can't remember the year) . yes everyone in the event saw how jump jets being featured PROPERLY in ANY RTS .. for the first time!
for EA. this means the decision to add jump jet into what's now Zone Troopers.

this one. however. is unacceptable! and GW can sue EA! GW still own a copyright of Baneblade designs. so yeh! give 'em hell! baby!

THERE WILL BE NO MADE IN CHINA BANEBLADE! NEVER!

I think I've looted one of those.

Lone Cat wrote:

Henners91 wrote: *snip*

Looks familiar, no?

EA has always do a dirrty copy of the competitors.
the 'power-armor' infantry thing was originally designed AFTER Blizzard's marines armor. Jetpack thing wasn't introduced UNTIL DoW1 teaser being exhibited in E3 (can't remember the year) . yes everyone in the event saw how jump jets being featured PROPERLY in ANY RTS .. for the first time!
for EA. this means the decision to add jump jet into what's now Zone Troopers.

this one. however. is unacceptable! and GW can sue EA! GW still own a copyright of Baneblade designs. so yeh! give 'em hell! baby!

THERE WILL BE NO MADE IN CHINA BANEBLADE! NEVER!

Jump Jet infantry existed in C&C2 (1999) and improved significantly with the Rocketeer in RA2 (2001). DoW didn't come out until 2004. Considering the trope of jump jet infantry existing for a long time, it's just parallel development.

Also, Powered Armor first appeared as the Wolverine in C&C2 (1999) or even the experimental XO-suit in C&C1 (1995).

Long story short, Westwood developed the C&C universe wonderfully when they were by themselves. EA corrupts and steals, but taking units from C&C's past and upgrading them isn't stealing.

^ yes Jumpjet units exists in the C&C Universe as early as 1998. but by then it was treated as 'flyers' in Tiberian sun. Jumpjet infantry is significantly SLOW, yet jumpjet has no definite leaping distances . in both Tiberian sun. and RA2. Jumpjet inf. and rocketeer shoots while airborne..
Relic introduced 'definite leaping distances' into DoW units that can do Jumpjet assaults.

blood lance wrote:You dont see the german military sueing gamesworkshop for using the old ww2 trooper uniform design for many of their IG regiments.

To be perfectly honest a lot of German leaders don't exactly enjoy talking about WW2.

Henners91 wrote:The horrifying thing is, if you stuck that into a 40k video game I probably wouldn't even blink twice at it...

Would GW have grounds to sue?

GW does. and i'm sure GW doesn't really lack of money power to file a lawsuit against EA.
I don't know how does the 40k licensing deals between GW and Relic works and 'royalty payment conditions' Relic/THQ needs to pay GW. but that's a large fortune to GW .. enough to teach EA a painful lesson.
or at least. it's enough for EA to remove this Baneblade clones from the final release of this game..

meow.

Lone Cat wrote:^ yes Jumpjet units exists in the C&C Universe as early as 1998. but by then it was treated as 'flyers' in Tiberian sun. Jumpjet infantry is significantly SLOW, yet jumpjet has no definite leaping distances . in both Tiberian sun. and RA2. Jumpjet inf. and rocketeer shoots while airborne..
Relic introduced 'definite leaping distances' into DoW units that can do Jumpjet assaults.

No.

Tiberian Sun Jump Jet Infantry walked on the ground. If you told them to move a short distance, they'd walk. They were ground units with the ability to jump-jet distances if needed. They were not fliers. Rocketeers were fliers.
Either way, they still came first before Dawn of War.

Fact of the matter is, C&C units simply didn't have activated special abilities.

It's parallel development. Dawn of War implemented jump troops using 40k as the precedent. EA made jump jet troops using C&C as a precedent.

You're grasping at straws trying to accuse the C&C franchise of something it's not guilty of.

Blame EA for this atrocity of ripping off the Baneblade and leave your unrelated inaccuracies elsewhere.

It seems that this outrage has begun again:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/442584.page

There are still white knights that believe GW with their awfully misguided legal department have a chance in actually legitimate cases.

After continuously botching the Chapterhouse-affair misfire, it seems to be free picking at GW IP.
www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?330454-Facebook-games-are-stealing-Concept-art-from-GW!&highlight=tomb+kings+facebook

Somewhere in the world is a Tom Kirby that doesn't care.