My fear for fantasy at my club...

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**Grey Templar**

I don't think those are requirements, but really strong reccomendations.

Your opponent is almost certain the bring a Lvl4 for the dispelling power and the spells too. If you don't have a Lvl4 yourself then you will have a hard time casting spells and stopping his.

You can do it, but it can leave you hanging in situations that otherwise wouldn't have happened.

The same deal with a BSB(except I think its needed much more then a Lvl4 is)

**marielle**

Grey Templar wrote:I don't think those are requirements, but really strong reccomendations.

Your opponent is almost certain the bring a Lvl4 for the dispelling power and the spells too. If you don't have a Lvl4 yourself then you will have a hard time casting spells and stopping his.

You can do it, but it can leave you hanging in situations that otherwise wouldn't have happened.

The same deal with a BSB(except I think its needed much more then a Lvl4 is)

While you are correct, your need to contradict my heretical suggest kind of proves my point.

**happygolucky**

RatWolf wrote:
IHateNids wrote:Some of happy's magnetisations (if thats a word) haven't been the best

I beg to differ....

Ghaskull.... DP... Warshpinx is totally interchangeable...

Thank you

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Da Boss wrote:My advice would be, keep playing the way YOU want to, even if your group goes hyper competitive. I used to play in an extremely competitive group in Ireland. All nice guys, but they were heavily invested in the tournament scene. I am an alright player, but sometimes I just plain don't like the "best" choice (an example in 5th edition, I wasn't a fan of how BW spam played, and I hate painting them, so I mostly ran footslogging orks. I also did a sort of elite themed ork list which was unconventional.)

Did I struggle to win? Yes. Did I sometimes get a little frustrated? Yes. Was it completely awesome to hold my own or win against an incredibly hard list? Oh hell yes. I didn't find that it diminished the storytelling aspect at all.

Also, gamers love stories. If you're the sort of player you seem to be (I mean, like me) then you should be able to engage all but the crustiest of grognards with your descriptions and enthusiasm for the narrative. When I played Fantasy regularly, I was very story driven and had an ongoing narrative for my games between battles. I find Fantasy is more conducive to that. Even when I played against my competitive friends, I kept my narrative, and they ended up enjoying it and incorporating their own narratives into their harder lists.

(I also think it's often possible to build a strong, unconventional and fluffy list that will confound the sort of meta net lists that are commonly played. My orks were a bit of a headache for some of my opponents because they were used to dealing with mechanised forces.)

Another thing I noticed was that you said that you hated armies that went against the fluff. I think that Warhammer is good in the way it is written because almost any build can be justified with a cool story. All sorts of weird things happen in the warhammer world. An army with two hydras could be a really interesting "plot point" in the narrative of your games.

Anyhow, I guess the tl;dr version of my advice is live and let live and take your enjoyment from your games, and spread your enthusiasm for the fluff side of things.

I recommend perhaps organising a campaign or something for your club.

Thanks for this everythong bolded I have taken into consideration, and yeah if people want to play netlists then so be it, but i will never turn...

As long as people dont boast then I will have no problems...

**Platuan4th**

happygolucky wrote:
As long as people dont boast then I will have no problems...

I don't think boasting in and of itself is bad, but rather how it's done and the intention.

For example, a little boasting as playful banter or good natured ribbing isn't out of place in my opinion. Say boasting about the time your lord took down theirs despite the stats and math saying it shouldn't happen or at a pivotal moment in the battle.

Rubbing it in other people's faces and constantly bringing it up out of context IS, though.

**IHateNids**

We know a player who dosen't 'boast' exactly but who has an army he insists is 'fun' but rips us apart. Every time. We inflict horrendous casualties on him, but we loose. Every Time. Period.

**Yarrick The Necron**

IHateNids wrote:We know a player who dosen't 'boast' exactly but who has an army he insists is 'fun' but rips us apart. Every time. We inflict horrendous casualties on him, but we loose. Every Time. Period.

On the contrary, if you're referring to wide-ruling Agammemnon, i've had a couple games close to winning against him. All games always fun

**Grey Templar**

IHateNids wrote:We know a player who dosen't 'boast' exactly but who has an army he insists is 'fun' but rips us apart. Every time. We inflict horrendous casualties on him, but we loose. Every Time. Period.

Fun list can equal competitive list. They arn't mutually exclusive.

And a good general can take even a fluffy list and win with it consistantly.

**IHateNids**

Yarrick The Necron wrote:
IHateNids wrote:We know a player who dosen't 'boast' exactly but who has an army he insists is 'fun' but rips us apart. Every time. We inflict horrendous casualties on him, but we loose. Every Time. Period.

On the contrary, if you're referring to wide-ruling Agammemnon, i've had a couple games close to winning against him. All games always fun

Sometimes fun, yes. Do I sometimes come close to winning, yes. Have I won, no.

But sometimes the army you play can have an effect. You send LRBTs at his lines. He sends Vendettas at yours. Other than that, you just sit and shell high hell out of each other. (usually)

**redkeyboard**

IHateNids wrote:
Yarrick The Necron wrote:
IHateNids wrote:We know a player who dosen't 'boast' exactly but who has an army he insists is 'fun' but rips us apart. Every time. We inflict horrendous casualties on him, but we loose. Every Time. Period.

On the contrary, if you're referring to wide-ruling Agammemnon, i've had a couple games close to winning against him. All games always fun

Sometimes fun, yes. Do I sometimes come close to winning, yes. Have I won, no.

But sometimes the army you play can have an effect. You send LRBTs at his lines. He sends Vendettas at yours. Other than that, you just sit and shell high hell out of each other. (usually)

I played him with my Tau and I had huge fun. It was a really good gme Filled with lots of suprises. Like 2 Battlesuits surviving a horde of guardsmen charging them and me winning combat only for them to fall to the power weapon next turn.

**happygolucky**

IHateNids wrote:We know a player who dosen't 'boast' exactly but who has an army he insists is 'fun' but rips us apart. Every time. We inflict horrendous casualties on him, but we loose. Every Time. Period.

Which army are you referring to?

**IHateNids**

the flying guard player.