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@PappaPiggy. Did you return your chestless canis or did you fix it your self?

PapaPiggy wrote:I don't mind fixing air bubbles that are small. Or on a flat surface, But when i bought my canis wolf born, the wolf's chest was completely missing. What i really dislike is the fact that you get thin sports throughout the model. so while painting you run the risk of pushing through, or while you play with the model, you risk snapping it off. I have had enough problems with fine cast, and the bad part about it is. The troops i have been using are all fine cast. Nurgle plague marines really didn't need to be fine cast. Personally i loved metal models, And now i have no other choice but to buy fine cast.

Plague Marine aren't too hard to convert, adding Green stuff stomachs, gas masks, Pickelhaube's, boils and rotting flesh isn't too hard. Though the metals where great.

My first finecast was the Corteaz model. It was fine. Had one bubble in an area you cant even see.

Second go at it was Captain Sicarius. Had 3 goes at returning it to get a good one but ended up getting a refund.

I think its pretty hit and miss and GW really needs to no let the "miss's" get through.

They always arrive in reasonable condition, however my Astorath had a few bubbles in the armour and a small piece of the icon on his belt missing.

Howvere, Dante's axe snapped the first time I took him out of my case.

OK, ive been back to GW HQ, And I'll say again that the staff were brilliant, even though they may probably be quite pissed off with me for starting this thread!
They had brought up a bag of 10 Lelith hesperax as promised from the factory ( Iam lucky as the outlying stores would not be able to do this).
I didn't even have to open 9 of these as i could see through the packaging they were not perfect. Alas, i chose the best out of the bunch and am now resigned to do a little fixing this time. I dont wish to waste anymore of my time, and really want to add this model to my sons new collection. But still i have contacted customer service epressing my dissatisfaction.

ps. @ ANYONE READING THIS FROM GW OFFICES, THIS PUBLIC NARRATION OF MY RECENT EXPERIENCES IS INTENDED ONLY TO GET PERSONAL FEEDBACK FROM OTHER WH ENTHUSIASTS,..... THIS IS NOT A SLUR CAMPAIGN, ITS SIMPLE.... WE JUST WANT CONSISTENT HIGHER QUALITY MINIATURES FOR THIS PRICE !!

even if you dont get bubbles, dropping an eldar ranged with the fragile rifles from like.. 5 inches up will break them. metal for me please.

Just for the record, not everyone here hates resin. I prefer it over metal when it's done correctly. I also don't hate GW. I've been a customer of theirs since the early nineties. I don't even hate Finecast in theory. Lighter pieces (easier to glue) that don't shatter or bend, feature better detail, and cost less? What's not to like about that? The only thing better would be plastic and that's not going to happen, so...

But that's not what they've sold me. They sold me something with lighter pieces, that does shatter and snap, does not feature better detail, and the price went up. And in my case, they're currently batting 000 for acceptable castings, something that wasn't an issue with the metal. The problem is not what they promised. The problem was not even their customer service; they quickly and efficiently sent me a replacement that was worse than the original. The problem is what they delivered...twice now.

And what's worse, they were told how to do it correctly. They chose to ignore that advice. They were warned that resin is labor intensive by people who cast resin for a living. They ignored that too and tried to find a shortcut. And here we are.

That's what I hate. If they figured this out (by, say, listening to what FW told them) then I'd be fine with Finecast. What they're selling right now is, in my eyes, inferior to the old metal. The metal was cheaper. Guess which one I'd rather have. I'll give you a hint: as a customer since the early nineties, I never sent a metal model back once, and I've got a few of them. Far more than one, anyway.

I'll be the first one to sing the praises of Finecast when it becomes praiseworthy, or even delivers on half of what was promised. Until then, I'll merely report what I experienced - a 100% failure rate that costs more than what it replaced. Haters gonna hate? No. Critical thinkers gonna criticize.

"Just buy something else!" That's exactly what I do now. Good advice really. No more Finecast for me until GW un(profanity filter didn't catch this, but it's a four letter word)s their operation. And if it's one of those lucky models that has already undergone the transition? Hello, Ebay, or else it's a stand-in. My opponents would understand. They're doing the same thing now.

I love it overall over metal. I dont mind small fixes. but I have had a few bad ones I had to return.

I've been buying since the 90's as well and have had to date 1 single miscast with my pewter models (probably well over 300+ at least in my time and I think I am understating there). And that wasn't even really a miscast. Did have the odd annoying mold line but nothing that a tiny scrape with the knife couldn't fix.

It was a GK Psycannon Marine. I stupidly didn't look at the blister properly when I picked it up. Got home. Opened it, and the Psycannon looked to be a massive blob of pewter about 1" by 1". I was about to scream FUUUUU when I noticed the blob was wobbly. So I grabbed it and pulled. Low and behold, it was just a blob of pewter that escaped the mold and stuck to some flash. And behind it was a fully formed perfectly detailed Psycannon. So in essence I just got some free pewter to help weight some bases with.

However, and I am sadly not exaggerating here, I have yet to hear of a single Finecast model that was perfectly fine out of box, or didn't have to be returned at least once to get that fine one.

I don't hate Finecast as a material. I hate the stupid BS GW tried to force down our throats about it being the godsend to modeling that they think it is, without addressing the QC issues, and hiking the price up at the same time.

At least FW were always consistent in their legacy of resin horror. And they never tried to put as much spin on their product as GW has. And to be fair the majority of FW issues are warping rather than just poor casts with missing detail. Something which given certain climates they send too they can't always have control over.

And FW is cheaper than GW now if you are in Oz. What a crazy world we live in.

I bought a Finecast Necron Overlord from my FLGS and I can't say that I'm all that impressed with it over the plastic and metal minis that I have. It just doesn't seem very sturdy, though, as others have mentioned, the detailing is impressive.

That reminds me, I need to buy the metal Abaddon that that store has for my CSM army instead of buying the FC version. Ugh...time for a drive.

The only finecast are some de mandrakes and I must say I would take metal over them any day.

When I first opened them they seemed fine, but after basing them their weapons broke of and they're feet snapped in two, it was a easy fix but any mini for that price shouldn't need to be fixed.

So far I've only picked up 3 Finecast models, my Necron Overlord, Lord and Cryptek.
Cryptek was perfect.
Both Lord and Overlord had a very small part missing on their foot, and the Overlord had quite a few holes on his mantle and other less obvious places. Nothing I couldn't fix with a little patience and even less green stuff, but I agree that I shouldn't HAVE to be doing this since I paid for this "premium" quality item.

Oh yes, they do also seem to break way too easily. My Overlord's Staff has broken on 2 different places so far.

I like finecast so far. It's really easy to work with and it takes paint very nicely. However i'm not the most credible source because iv'e only painted one finecast

King Crow wrote:I like finecast so far. It's really easy to work with and it takes paint very nicely. However i'm not the most credible source because iv'e only painted one finecast

Darn you and your avatar pic. Because now all I can hear is;

"Mmmmmm... Baby, if you were a hobby model material I'd bet they would call you Finecast."

In his voice and everything. >.<

Atma01 wrote:

King Crow wrote:I like finecast so far. It's really easy to work with and it takes paint very nicely. However i'm not the most credible source because iv'e only painted one finecast

Darn you and your avatar pic. Because now all I can hear is;

"Mmmmmm... Baby, if you were a hobby model material I'd bet they would call you Finecast."

In his voice and everything. >.<

Always hitting on sisters of Battle and getting his ass kicked!

My experiences with Finecast are both hit and miss. When they come out god, they're really really good. When they come out bad... they're really really bad. I love the material but hate the lack of quality control.

I spent hours last night re- sculpting hooks and spikes back onto the Lelith model where they should have been. To say this was the best cast out of a total of 13, presented on 3 visits, to the place where they are actually manufactured, is deplorable. And I really hope that the 9 I didn't open we're not put on the shelf, otherwise some of you guys would get the same problem.
I have been buying GW modelels since 1988, Now, just on principle, and much to my sons disappointment,I am seriously thinking about a personal boycot of buying any new GW models( though I doubt anyone would care or even notice). 42 hours and still waiting for an email response from customer services.... although I was told " within 48 hours", so there's still time.

I personally haven't got any finecast horror stories, but that's probably because I haven't bought any. I have had my eye on Yarrick, for my wife's IG, but having read a lot of problems about the stuff, have decided to wait. Maybe they will get better?....

I doubt they will get better soon. Finecast isnt all bad and the details on eldar models anyways is astounding. However, the molding problems tend to drive me nuts, cant they just use a little more resin? id rather scrap off more flash and resin hairs than have incomplete models.... Also sir you are one lucky man, i hope i find myself a woman one day i can share this wonderful hobby with!

Deadlytoaster wrote:I doubt they will get better soon. Finecast isnt all bad and the details on eldar models anyways is astounding. However, the molding problems tend to drive me nuts, cant they just use a little more resin?

If it were that simple it would have already been done! Resin cant get to parts with air locks.In my experience of resin casting, many of the fine details that stand away from a model, if they were too small to incorporate an air bleeding channel, actually need priming with resin by hand before casting in the complete mould. It was this that made mine not viable for mass production( for me anyway), and meant each model was individually by hand. I still only had a 70:30 success rate ( the 30% imperfect casts were never sent out)up to around 30 casts, befor the mould started to deteriorate. If GW manage to turn the craft into successful consistent mass production, I will take my hat of to them!

I haven't voted, because I haven't actually bought any finecast yet. I HAVE gone to the FLGS with the INTENT to buy... and found a shelf full of flawed castings. So I tell the person running the store, he pulls the product and returns them for replacement... and in comes a new batch of flawed castings. Twice now.

It's getting to the point where my FLGS is seriously considering NOT ordering any more finecast because of this very issue. I hope they do take that step, and that all other FLGS do so as well, until GW gets a clue and starts checking them BEFORE they get packaged.

I mean, three separate batches, and ALL are badly flawed?

Vulcan wrote: until GW gets a clue and starts checking them BEFORE they get packaged.

I'm sure they do check them beforehand. Not every single figure, but enough of them to know they're shipping crap. Given their investment in time and money, and the fact that people are buying them anyway (and repairing flaws themselves), why should they care? GW is well aware of all the internet hate for the product, but the company line is still "a little GS takes care of it. And lucky for you, we also sell that". It's win/win for GW.

This ENTIRE discussion can be avoided forever more with one observation and one sentence:

GW is a company and only listens to/cares about the bottom line. If people keep buying, the company will grow and they will not care.

Stop buying GW.

Problem solved.



Ghidorah

I bought a Finecast Lictor (I WAS gonna get a venomthrope.......yeah......) anyway as I was painting it, one of it's big long talons broke. I put almost no pressure on it, and it snapped right off as I was trying to paint it. This of course was after having to fix countless bubbles and miscasts. I will admit though, that Tyranids don't look AS bad with minor miscasts as they are completely organic anyway. But still. Finecast is garbage that GW should be ashamed of. I refuse to buy anymore (my Lictor wasn't the first FC I bought. It was simply the straw that broke that camels back). I hate how a company can claim that their product is the epitome of the industry.......when the stuff that was being produced 20 years ago is widely considered to be superior.

Ghidorah wrote:This ENTIRE discussion can be avoided forever more with one observation and one sentence:

GW is a company and only listens to/cares about the bottom line. If people keep buying, the company will grow and they will not care.

Stop buying GW.

Problem solved.



Ghidorah

Perhaps you are right Ghildora, I feel it is a shame that the all the talented designers and scultptors of their miniatures, which in my opinion are fantastic....second to none, are being let down by this poor production operation. They may lose the appreciation and custom of any mature hobbyist with an eye for quality, only to be supplying a bunch of kids that dont know any better and keep paying. Very sad
However, i dont think avoiding this discussion will help anyone, the internet is here and we can share information freely, and learn from each others experiences if we choose. Obviously 'SOME' may may prefer us to avoid this discussion


ps, your signature is strangley hypnotic, lol

I don't really like metal or finecast. Finecast is hard to find a 'perfect' cast, and metal's are a pain to put together for the average person especially as there prone to gaps, harder to remove flash and bent parts (all though easier to repair) its basically swapping one thing for another.

To be honest my favourite models at the moment are probably the strong (darker grey) plastics that they've brought out. A good example is the chaos sorcerer.

Also the plastic kits too. Thankfully alot of there metals can still be gotten and for most things they've still been using regular old plastic. I't is daunting to think that the future however might be entirely finecast because of the bad quality results for there price. But realistically when I buy a metal model and find that the joints don't fit either too big or too small it makes me cringe as much as a finecast model that has bubbles in it.

I got a C'tan that was missing his nose, half of an eye, and part of his mouth because of an air bubble. Not fun resculpting that. There were also mold bits, parts that had come out too thin, and bubbles all over the model.

I'm not a GW fan boy or a hater I just tend to roll with the punches when it comes to the hobby as it's a large part of my life, but the release of Finecast has really disapointed me to no end, i've bought 2 boxes thus far and had problems with both, DE Incubi were a nightmare, lots of holes to fix and the back banners were warped beyond fixing so i binned them, the others were a set of Mandrakes, the main mandrakes were pretty good although due to the delicate nature of the weapons they were all bent heavily and had bad holes in them to fix, I am now very dubious about buying any more of this product as my only retailers are online it's quite a hassle to prove and arrange new models.

I've bought a few finecast, a C'tan shard of the Nightbringer, a Venomthrope, and Astorath the Grim.

the Nightbringer + Astorath were nearly perfect, I had no problems at all with those two.

The only issue I've had was with my venomthrope, I bought it at GW Manchester as an impulse buy, I got it home (40 minutes by train), was about to glue it together and realised that it had two sets of right tentacles/spinal ridges, instead of the standard right/left.

I originally messaged GW Manchester on Facebook, but they took too long to get a decent reply other than "just come back to the store", which would cost me £8, a forty minute journey, for the sake of a £15 model.

So I mailed GW customer support and they sent a replacement out within a week, free of charge (I sent them a photo of my receipt + duplicate parts as proof) and the one they sent was spot on.

I don't think they'll address the issues with the air bubbles etc because it means you'll need to buy both kinds of green stuff, and they recommend superglue to fill in any gaps caused by bubbles

So I have gotten several finecast products. The include a squad of honor guard, 2 25th anniversary models, a Lord of Change, 2 War Hydras, High Marshal Helbrecht, and a box of Incubi. The Honor Guard came out fine with no problem as did the anniversary models, Incubi, and the hydras. None of them had bubles (at all) and none were miscast. Helvrecht sword is rather thin so it broke off but I was easily able to glue it back in. The only problem I've had si the Lord of Change's left wing is very thing. I didn't notice it until I had assemebled him and primed him. Then when I hold him up and look at the wing I can see the wall behind him.

Now that is not to say that I don't know of instances where things are wrong. There is one blister of a vampire count model (not sure which) but her mouth is nothing but resin, and a buddy of mine got the sternguard box only to have one marine look like he took a bolter to the head and a tyranid hacked away half of his knee. The replacement he was given had the exact same problems in the exact same places. The third was just fine though. IMO they seem to be getting better than at the start and people just feed off of the original fire.