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Zweischneid wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Mat Ward is better than Cruddace but worse than Kelly.

Noone is worse than Kelly. A dyslexic monkey having a seizure on a broken typewriter is better than Kelly.

So I don't know if I'm quite clear on how you feel about Kelly, could you elaborate?

Henners91 wrote:I kind of think any poll on Matt Ward should have multiple answers and allow us to say 'I like him as a game designer' and 'I hate his fluff.'


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(that's where I stand)

I pretty much feel the same way except one difference, I care more about the fluff than the game crunch.

So because I think his fluff is horrible, it is not even a contest, he is the worst of the writers. All the other writers, their fluff even doesnt bother me or I feel it does a good job telling the story of the armies.

Zweischneid wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:Mat Ward is better than Cruddace but worse than Kelly.

Noone is worse than Kelly. A dyslexic monkey having a seizure on a broken typewriter is better than Kelly.

Are you high? Kelly is GW's best writer at the moment. His fluff is very good, take for example Dark Eldar.

On the whole it looks like Ward is seen pretty negatively. Some people get annoyed by all the "Matt Ward hate," but even they don't love him. All the passion is on the hate side. I think he's just another corporate boot licker who'se made good by telling the boss what he wants to hear. Which is often more important than creative ability when a company gets the size of GW.

rockerbikie wrote:
Are you high? Kelly is GW's best writer at the moment. His fluff is very good, take for example Dark Eldar.

What exactly is good about Dark Eldar? He took one of the coolest, most sadistic villains from 40K and turned them into Emo-wishfullfilment full of pale-white porcellain skin brooding gloomily about the injustice of, quote, "being underestimated in their youth", as well as emphasising the ham-fisted "soul-leaking" to unprecedented prominence to pointlessly justify their actions. Not to mention adding random Bugs-Bunny style "comic relief" like portable Black Holes and the most inept naming this side of Space Wolves in things like a Decapitator-wielding Decapitator going about (wait for it) decapitating people. If Kelly is writing Black Templars now, they'll likely get a SC named "Bolter" who carries a "Bolter" he uses to "bolter" people.

And once again I must ask, how can one objectively hate something? Isn't 'hated' inherently subjective and based upon one's own biases?

Furthermore this thread's poll options are quite incendiary and miss the point somewhat. I don't 'hate' Matt Ward. I'm actually quite ambivalent towards him. What I dislike, and find so utterly execrable, is his fluff. He could be a Living Saint for all the difference it makes to the way he writes. Bad writing is bad writing whether you're a nice person or a raving psychopath.

Zweischneid wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:
Are you high? Kelly is GW's best writer at the moment. His fluff is very good, take for example Dark Eldar.

He added flavour to them. The addition to the fluff actually makes them a playable army. Also, the portable black holes makes them even cooler, they can pop up anywhere enslave people and pop back into the portal. You just love one dimensional flavourless characters. You are negative about it because they aren't stereotypical villians, they actually have a reason making you more or less what you think of Dark Eldar at the moment. So what if it makes them less Grim Dark in your opinion, in my oppinion it makes them more so and you don't like so you cry about it.

I think you are confusing Black Holes with Web-Way Portals (or any other form of traveling into and out of or through the Warp). Noone critizises the later. They are entirely fictional creations that play to the rules defined in the fiction. Black Holes, on the other hand, are not.

Zweischneid wrote:... adding random Bugs-Bunny style "comic relief" like portable Black Holes...

The imperium already had pocket black holes called Vortex Grenades and Vortex Weapons and, somehow, didn't destroy the entire planet when they used them--if you applied the theoretical knowledge we know about Black Holes.

Its been done before Kelly wrote the Codex...

Zweischneid wrote:I think you are confusing Black Holes with Web-Way Portals (or any other form of traveling into and out of or through the Warp). Noone critizises the later. They are entirely fictional creations that play to the rules defined in the fiction. Black Holes, on the other hand, are not.

It's Science Fiction for a reason. Refer to KplKeegan's post now.

KplKeegan wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:... adding random Bugs-Bunny style "comic relief" like portable Black Holes...

The imperium already had pocket black holes called Vortex Grenades and Vortex Weapons and, somehow, didn't destroy the entire planet when they used them--if you applied the theoretical knowledge we know about Black Holes.

Its been done before Kelly wrote the Codex...

Vortex Grenades are not Black Holes. The are "holes" between realspace and the warp, similar to Warprift and those eldar weapons. They use (fictional) warp-technology, not supermassive concentrations of mass that create an event horizon. The only other place I saw something similar was in the IA Badab War books where the Red Scorpions "extracted" the stellar core of the Badab Wars planetary system central sun/star (without upsetting the gravitational balance of the same system) to use it on an orbital space station (but not the planet it orbits). As implausible as it is, the "core" of a functional star would still be many times ligher/less compressed than the mass needed for a black hole that has enough gravitational mass to "suck in" things through an event horizon. Still, it is a similar display of ignorance of "proportions" and basic physical forces.

And how can you apply the theoretical knowledge about black holes? You either utilize their gravitation pull as a weapon or you don't. If you use it, it will apply all things equally. If you don't, you don't have a weapon. I am even willing to give it to the Dark Eldar "technology like magic" that they can contain it. But if you "open/unleash" it, the effect would still be felt throughout a planetary system and most others nearby, as it likely exceeds the mass of a given average planetary system (as the one we live in)


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rockerbikie wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:I think you are confusing Black Holes with Web-Way Portals (or any other form of traveling into and out of or through the Warp). Noone critizises the later. They are entirely fictional creations that play to the rules defined in the fiction. Black Holes, on the other hand, are not.

It's Science Fiction for a reason. Refer to KplKeegan's post now.

If it's (science) fiction for a reason, what's your beef with Calgar (using artifact sci-fi gear) getting a beat on an Avatar or Draigo walzing through a fictional realm beating fictional inhabitants?

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rockerbikie wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:I think you are confusing Black Holes with Web-Way Portals (or any other form of traveling into and out of or through the Warp). Noone critizises the later. They are entirely fictional creations that play to the rules defined in the fiction. Black Holes, on the other hand, are not.

It's Science Fiction for a reason. Refer to KplKeegan's post now.

If it's (science) fiction for a reason, what's your beef with Calgar (using artifact sci-fi gear) getting a beat on an Avatar or Draigo walzing through a fictional realm beating fictional inhabitants?

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rockerbikie wrote:

Zweischneid wrote:I think you are confusing Black Holes with Web-Way Portals (or any other form of traveling into and out of or through the Warp). Noone critizises the later. They are entirely fictional creations that play to the rules defined in the fiction. Black Holes, on the other hand, are not.

It's Science Fiction for a reason. Refer to KplKeegan's post now.

If it's (science) fiction for a reason, what's your beef with Calgar (using artifact sci-fi gear) getting a beat on an Avatar or Draigo walzing through a fictional realm beating fictional inhabitants?

For me, its the fact that Draigo doesn't release the fictional Eldar Goddess from Nurgle's clutches or fidning out who was the little fictional girl with her fictional dog that solved Tzeentch's Labrynth (I would love to know myself) while he's galavanting in the fictional world because he has his fictional head shoved up his fictional arse

Ward makes decent gameplay rules, though he does have a habit of making Space Marines overpowered. Yes, Grey Knights can be beaten by the Tyranids even if you have enough skill. However the game shouldn't work like that, and non-GK players should basically go into the game with a handicap. This applies to Blood Angels, Imperial Guard, and Imperial factions and general.

His fluff is fairly bad though. I find it to be bland and cliche in a setting filled with already bland and cliche archetypes, so that says something. His biggest problem however is his habit of warping the greater 40k universe around him to give his favorite characters ridiculous feats. Draigo probably sums this up the most. There were ways to hype up the Supreme Grand Master of the Grey Knights without making it that ridiculous. Then there's other ridiculous statements which are insulting to the fanbse, such as "all Space Marines want to be Ultramarines", a clear slap in the fluff to pre-established fluff that shows chapters like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Iron Hands proud of their heritage.

What he did with the Necrons as well, basically removing 90% of any sinister aspect they had in favor of a nobler Space Tomb Kings view, was horrific in my opinion.

And that is his biggest problem, he makes blanket and ridiculous statements to elevate his fluff, warping the 40k universe in ridiculous ways to achieve this. Ironically he reversed this in Necrons, downgrading them from a galactic-level threat bent on harvesting all life to divided inter-fighting city-states on the Eastern Fringe. I think this relates to his Space Marine fanboy status, in a company which already elevates the SM's far above anyone else.


To me Codex Dark Eldar will be the best codex GW has come out with in a while though. Great fluff that added to the faction but didn't take anything away, a wide variety of play styles and units to chose from, a unique feel to the army, and making the DE competitive but not overpowered.

I voted dislike, but I should elaborate. I don't hate the man, I don't even hate all of his rules. GK was a bit OTT but we're near the end of an edition, and I believe things will work out soon enough. I think the necron codex is really well done. I really enjoy the 40k fluff and in my opinion, he is not very talented at writing the type of 40k fluff that I love to read.

I'd love to have a beer with the guy and talk 40k. I'd love to play a friendly game with him. I just don't like some of the things he writes that are now canon.

As a primarily Fantasy player, all I can say is, "well, they're DAEMONS!!!11!1!1!!!!" And leave it at that.

Every games designer has made at least 1 total flop of an army book/codex that's bordered on the over powered line. Only 1 games designer has completely destroyed an entire game system with a blaitently & idiotically 'IT'S OVER 9000!' broken as all feth army book.

Well! often the Whole Reason I hates Matt Ward is: He Makes all the C'Tan gods Shards and since in My Project Plankton from Spongebob wants to gets the combined Powers from Bunch of Gods(including all 4 C'Tan gods: Nightbringer, Deceiver, Void Dragon, and Outsider) from across the Omniverse, making all the C'Tan gods Shards does makes Plankton finds Matt Ward more of an enemy than Mr. Krabs not to mention the new Necrons fluff are also makes me hates Matt Ward(though new Necrons fluff are more tolerable than C'tan got sharded thing)

Sorry for possible thread necromancy

Hey! way to resurrect a dead and stupid thread!

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