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Gharron wrote:

Grimgar314 wrote:4 wagons is fine. It works great. I still don't like lootas in a bw list for reasons previosly explained. I think the points would be better spent on koptas or 2 ghazghkulls.lol. But seriously imo it could be better spent elsewhere

Aside from the koptas where would you stick the points if not on lootas? I have bikes kommandos a ton of things to stick in that slot.

Besides koptas, I would spend them on nob bikers or kommandos. Probably nob bikes.

I've got 9 bikes. What's the sweet spot for them? lol sorry to ask so many stupid questions I just wanna get this list right XD

For nob bikes this works like a charm.

5 Nob bikers, all with cybork-355
PK, Waaagh banner, BP
PK
Painboy
BC
regular

Could you post a revised list here so we can get a look at the changes you've made? That would help me offer suggestions.

HQ:
Ghazghkull Thraka

Big Mek KFF

Troops:
(5) Meganobz
w/ 2x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, deff rolla, Red Paint Job

(5) Meganobz
w/ 2x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank,deff rolla, Red Paint Job


(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw


(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw



(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw

Heavy:

Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota, deff rolla, Red Paint Job


Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota, deff rolla, Red Paint Job

Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota, deff rolla, Red Paint Job

I'm just at a loss I could put the lootas in or the bike/koptas I've got 9 bikes I think I could do a squad of 6 like you said and then put in the koptas?

HQ:
Ghazghkull Thraka

Big Mek KFF

Troops:

(5) Meganobz
w/ 2x Shoota-Scorchas
Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, 2x Big Shootas, Killkannon, Reinforced Ram, Red Paint Job


(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw


(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw



(20) Slugga Boyz
Nob w/ Bosspole, Power Klaw

Heavy:

Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota, deff rolla, Red Paint Job


Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota, deff rolla, Red Paint Job

Battlewagon
w/ Armor Plates, Boarding Plank, Big Shoota, deff rolla, Red Paint Job
This list is the one I could insert lootas bike or koptas in and still have 4 deff rollas 60 boys ghazzy and a big mek.

Gharron wrote:

mercer wrote:You do not need kill kannons or two big shootas. You want to be moving 12" all the time to get the Orks into combat and also get those deffrollas smashing things up. Having a kill kannon means you have to move 6" to fire. You also don't need two big shootas either, just one.

Really need Lootas as well for anti tank.

I tried to fix that and missed those XD (the big shootas that is) and I'm trying for 30 lootas is that about the sweet spot for lootas or lower numbers?

I've run Lootas in units of 5 and 9. Units of 5 can be disappointing if you get a bad D3 roll. A unit of 9 I found to be best and you need to lose 3 Orks before taking a morale test.

In the revised list, dedicated transport battlewagons cannot have a killakannon. So take that off add a deffrolla and if my calculations are correct that leaves you 450 points.I would then add 3 groups of 2 deffkoptas each unit having one buzzsaw. That should leave you 165 points. With which I would add 2 meganobz. I would then spend remaining points to put rokkit launchers instead of big shootas on battlewagons and 2 rokkits in each boys squad.

Ugh, I keep trying to get that deff rolla on every wagon!

It is worth it. It has one many people many games.

Oh I'm sure they are >=) I love the look of them too they look AMAZING! I need to buy army builder so I can put this all in one big list and get it right =[

You messed up anyhting you have a pretty cohesive list here.

Grimgar314 wrote:You messed up anyhting you have a pretty cohesive list here.

Let me ask you this, for those points could I go with kommanos? Do koptas overall have a better track record in killing things than kommandos or bikes?

For killing tanks(which you currently need) koptas are better. Kommandos are best to give ghaz a ride but here he runs in a battlewagon.

Well, then koptas it will be! Last question and then I'll get my list a goin! How do I show buzzsaws on koptas?

You need to model it....you can buy the parts, of use bitz or scratch build them.

I disagree with multiple kopta units(unless you're playing apoc and going for the squadron). Koptas are really only good for popping vehicles. TL-Rokkit launcha and buzzsaw is the standard use of options. Koptas don't pay for themselves with infantry normally, and do best taking out those 115+ point tanks that tend to plague us. In a war of attrition, you need to make sure that you are doing damage to your opponent faster than he is to you. If your unit isn't doing that, then it should at least be allowing ANOTHER unit to do that.

Brother Taurinus wrote:You need to model it....you can buy the parts, of use bitz or scratch build them.

I disagree with multiple kopta units(unless you're playing apoc and going for the squadron). Koptas are really only good for popping vehicles. TL-Rokkit launcha and buzzsaw is the standard use of options. Koptas don't pay for themselves with infantry normally, and do best taking out those 115+ point tanks that tend to plague us. In a war of attrition, you need to make sure that you are doing damage to your opponent faster than he is to you. If your unit isn't doing that, then it should at least be allowing ANOTHER unit to do that.

I've been waiting on you taurinus lol what would you do? Would you keep the 5th wagon? Or where would you spend those points?

Get spares from Killa Kanz and fit them, they would look great.

mercer wrote:Get spares from Killa Kanz and fit them, they would look great.

I've actually got a few of the saws but they're metal and REALLY long...

Try the plastic Kanz