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Pst. That was a joke, Pyriel.

Pyriel- wrote:

Look at their birth certificates. Scoreboard.

Hardly.
If being born 10 000 years ago at the last ice age, then taking a time machine to today and claim you are 10 000 years old is ridiculous since the time passed for you is far from that. Thus a simple birth certificate is not valid when calculating time actually l i v e d and experienced.

Dante, Logan etc etc are all far older (actual age/life experience) then some night lord from the heresy trapped in the warp. Just look at them ffs, one is still young (veteran aged) and full of vigour and the others are old timers with gigantic beards, parchment skin and the charisma that comes with it all.

A space wolve with a beard can be younger then say a teen looking blood angel, space wolves look older then they really are from a space marine point of view, if you understand what saying. Compared to another chapter both same age both marines space wolve looks older

Pst. That was a joke, Pyriel.

Damn, I was feeling to serious at the time

A space wolve with a beard can be younger then say a teen looking blood angel, space wolves look older then they really are from a space marine point of view, if you understand what saying. Compared to another chapter both same age both marines space wolve looks older

There is a difference between a young bearded space wolf and an ancient bearded grizzled veteran with long fangs and skin hard as rocks.

If we are talking slight visual age difference then I agree but we are talking a 100 real years old chaos marine that has time warped 10 000 years (minus a hundred give or take) and a loyalist marine that has actually lived through a thousand years.

Technically Alpharius/Omegon is/are the oldest Space Marine(s). At least one of them is still alive, if not both. And they're over 10,000 years old, and not in a Dreadnought, and not tainted by the Warp. They're all natural......aside from the genetic engineering of course.

kronk wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:Is there an exact source on that one kronk, because it sounds a little far fetched. The 13th company are heresy era marines and they showed up during the 13th Black Crusade, as is there a few other dreadnoughts in short stories. =P

Sure. Abbadon, Ahriman and Fabious Bile are straight out of the Chaos Codex and are in the HH series books.

The Night Lords from the HH era are covered in the books Blood Reaver and Soul Hunter.

While it is true that they live in the warp and that only a few centuries have passed for them in the last 10k years, it doesn't change that they are the oldest Space Marines.

Look at their birth certificates. Scoreboard.

Every single traitor legionnaire has fought in the HH, as they lost the methods to make new organs. This excludes only the Iron Warriors with their Fleshless (Wasn't the daemon killed by Uriel Ventris?), the Alpha Legion and Bile.

FOREVER

You also have to factor in the time dilation of warp travel.

IIRC Colonel Schaffer of the Last Chancers and Commisar Yarrick both are much older than the average human lifespan, not because they are particularly superhuman but because they spend so much time hopping from place to place in warp travel that their 'effective' lifespan is much longer than the amount they have aged.

I assume that space marines also spent a huge amount of time in the warp, so would similarly be affected.

Technically Alpharius/Omegon is/are the oldest Space Marine(s). At least one of them is still alive, if not both. And they're over 10,000 years old, and not in a Dreadnought, and not tainted by the Warp. They're all natural......aside from the genetic engineering of course.

What?
Those are not marines, those are primarchs and for that matter they are not the only ones having lived that long.

Shadox wrote:[Every single traitor legionnaire has fought in the HH, as they lost the methods to make new organs.

Source? i'm sure that isn't correct.

off lexicanum :

The renegade Legions and Chapters maintain the process of gene-seed implantation and harvesting, allowing new recruits to be turned into Marines. The specifics of the renegade Marines' methods are unclear, but it is known that Fabius Bile provides recruits for some traitors in return for slaves and other resources.

I think it was in the codex-entry (I'm not sure about this, sadly I have the codex not in range) of Bile were it states that his knowledge to create new astartes is only punctual spread among the traitorlegions. The source of your quote is btw from Slaves to Darkness ergo Rogue Trader and possible outdated. On the discussionpage to the german article the question about the reproduction and what happened with the traitor-apothecaries is answered something like this: Just because you know how to make the organs for the astartes, know how to implant them into the people who are suited for the process and have slaves who meet the conditions, means not that you have the laboratories to grow the implants and have the instruments to insert them into the slaves which is all in all much less likely.

Pyriel- wrote:

Technically Alpharius/Omegon is/are the oldest Space Marine(s). At least one of them is still alive, if not both. And they're over 10,000 years old, and not in a Dreadnought, and not tainted by the Warp. They're all natural......aside from the genetic engineering of course.

What?
Those are not marines, those are primarchs and for that matter they are not the only ones having lived that long.

They're the only ones still alive and not a Daemon or in stasis or affected by the warp. And they're kinda sorta space marines......kinda......ok maybe not.

Shadox wrote:I think it was in the codex-entry (I'm not sure about this, sadly I have the codex not in range) of Bile were it states that his knowledge to create new astartes is only punctual spread among the traitorlegions. The source of your quote is from btw Slaves to Darkness ergo Rogue Trader and possible outdated. On the discussionpage to the german article the question about the reproduction and what happened with the traitor-apothecaries is answered something like this: Just because you know how to make the organs for the astartes, know how to implant them into the people who are suited for the process and have slaves who meet the conditions, means not that you have the laboratories to grow the implants and have the instruments to insert them into the slaves which is all in all much less likely.

Hmm, alright.

I really dont want it to be true that the legions cant recruit, because they are the reason i like chaos (if i exlude my brief obsession with the red corsiars)

In salamander they

s.j.mccartney wrote:It's not just the Astartes who don't die, isn't there something about the High Lords of Terra?That Vandire (or whatever his name is) is the same chap who's been about since the emperor was walking!!

Definitely not Vandire, his life and death are well-documented. Since I don't recall another Fabricator-General ever having been named, it's vaguely possible that Kane might still be in the position he assumed after the Heresy.

Edit: whoops, no he can't, since all the incumbent High Lords were killed in M32.

They're the only ones still alive and not a Daemon or in stasis or affected by the warp. And they're kinda sorta space marines......kinda......ok maybe not.

There is no direct source of this.

The same vagueness can be applied to a lot of other primarchs that are "supposedly" still alive. Russ, Vulkan, Khan, Corax etc plus those are not deamonic contrary to the chaos ones like Omegon that would most probably be a deamon "by now", if alive that is.

A space marine lives until given permission from a superior to die. Anything less is insubordination and a dereliction of duty.

Nagashek wrote:A space marine lives until given permission from a superior to die. Anything less is insubordination and a dereliction of duty.

I like it.

I believe the average life span of a battle brother is 200-400 years before they die in battle, however the fluff, like Dante, live to very old age because they don't fight, and the rest of the men protect him and preserve his life. But yea, they probably are immortal.

IIRC there has never been one die of old age so technically forever.

Plus theres that space wolf dreadnought who has lived for 10k years.

Nom

Shadox wrote:I think it was in the codex-entry (I'm not sure about this, sadly I have the codex not in range) of Bile were it states that his knowledge to create new astartes is only punctual spread among the traitorlegions. The source of your quote is btw from Slaves to Darkness ergo Rogue Trader and possible outdated. On the discussionpage to the german article the question about the reproduction and what happened with the traitor-apothecaries is answered something like this: Just because you know how to make the organs for the astartes, know how to implant them into the people who are suited for the process and have slaves who meet the conditions, means not that you have the laboratories to grow the implants and have the instruments to insert them into the slaves which is all in all much less likely.

In the Blood Reaver book, it makes it pretty clear that both the Red Corsairs and the Night Lords have been harvesting gene seed and otehr implants and are planning to make more space marines.

As Shadox is alluding to here, there is nothing about being renegade that prehibits the renegade chapters from making more Space Marines except for the shortage of supplies and recruits.

Wild wrote:The Fallen of the Dark Angels, for example, have been around since the Horus Heresy.

Yeah but you have to remember they havent been in real time since then. They were transported through time so they might not been in the material world ever since the heresy.


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The oldest space marine is Bijorn the fell handed. He was the right hand of Leman Russ thus making him 10,000 years old

And no i dont play the cheese wolves but a friend of mine does

What about chaos marines some of them have been kicking about since the horus heresey ? Is it the power of chaos?

Crimson-King2120 wrote:What about chaos marines some of them have been kicking about since the horus heresey ? Is it the power of chaos?

This has been covered 3-4 times in this thread. How about you read it?