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purplefood wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:You never get anything right the first time, purps.

Neither does your mother...

I know, I was the fourth kid.

MrDwhitey wrote:

purplefood wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:You never get anything right the first time, purps.

Neither does your mother...

I know, I was the fourth kid.

Well then apparently she can't get things right four times...
I assume any younger siblings you have are much better than you...
Actually i assume any relative you have is better than you... along with any other human... ever...

You're adorable, purps.

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Having been to both Community College and State University, I can say that, yes, quite a lot of Community College students are lacking in intellectual capacity. Certainly not all of them are, and there are plenty of students at state universities that, erm, probably shouldn't be there, but I did notice in my time at Community College there were people who either didn't give a gak at all and never actually went to classes (no doubt they got some kind of free ride for tuition and it's not their money they're wasting, and obviously this isn't unique to CC. Plenty of University students do the same) or struggled with alarmingly simple things. But still, you have to give the latter category credit for trying.

Again, I must stress that certainly not all (or even most) community college students are stupid. Just quite a lot of them, and having gone to a four year university doesn't automatically make you smart. Then again, quite a lot of people, in general, are fairly stupid so...

I having trained both community college stundents AND 4yr college students with degrees in Graphic Design... how to actually do Graphic Design.

I learned by sitting down at a computer and actually using the programs, not by sitting around in class listening to a professor talk about it. I do NOT have a degree in Graphic Design, I just do it for a living. And then these kids come in with college degrees that say they know how to do Graphic Design... but they don't have a clue, and I can SHOW they don't have a clue every time

I am quite UNimpressed with the quality of college education in this field.

More "academically educated" yes, more intelligent "no"

Lots of very smart people go to Community colleges for all sorts of reasons,

Knocking out core classes for a 4 year at much less the price

Getting training in a field that will pay for itsself after only a couple of years. (you don't meet a lot of certified welders, who can not find work in thier field and so are now working in a coffee shop will huge student loans to pay back)

Taking classes for starting thier own small businesses. Business owners tend to be C Grade average students, who then hire all those A Grade students who went to 4 year universities. You tell me who is smarter here?

There you go, my brief list on why the theory is wrong. People often confuse Intelligent with Academically Educated.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:More "academically educated" yes, more intelligent "no"

This.

If politics in the US has taught us anything it's that you can be educated at an Ivy League University and still be a blithering idiot.

Monster Rain wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:More "academically educated" yes, more intelligent "no"

This.

If politics in the US has taught us anything it's that you can be educated at an Ivy League University and still be a blithering idiot.

Of course, I didn't go to University and clearly I am in possession of a truly staggering intelle.. inte..

I'm proper fething clever me like.

Monster Rain wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:More "academically educated" yes, more intelligent "no"

This.

If politics in the US has taught us anything it's that you can be educated at an Ivy League University and still be a blithering idiot.

This is a bit of hyperbole. Ivy leagues can churn out idiots, but they usually don't. Community colleges tend to house those that couldn't go to universities or private schools for whatever the individuals reason is or they house people doing specified job training. In either situation there is an implied disinterest in education for it's own sake and an implied lack of ambition to excel. When I was in community the classes were composed of significantly stupider people.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:More "academically educated" yes, more intelligent "no"

This.

If politics in the US has taught us anything it's that you can be educated at an Ivy League University and still be a blithering idiot.

This is a bit of hyperbole. Ivy leagues can churn out idiots, but they usually don't. Community colleges tend to house those that couldn't go to universities or private schools for whatever the individuals reason is or they house people doing specified job training. In either situation there is an implied disinterest in education for it's own sake and an implied lack of ambition to excel. When I was in community the classes were composed of significantly stupider people.

For some reaon I find this hilarious.

The point being, of course, that going to any given school doesn't have any bearing on an individual's intelligence.

Monster Rain wrote:The point being, of course, that going to any given school doesn't have any bearing on an individual's intelligence.

No, but the realities that led to the decision to attend that school at that time do. It's an expression of capability or need.


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Albatross wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:More "academically educated" yes, more intelligent "no"

This.

If politics in the US has taught us anything it's that you can be educated at an Ivy League University and still be a blithering idiot.

This is a bit of hyperbole. Ivy leagues can churn out idiots, but they usually don't. Community colleges tend to house those that couldn't go to universities or private schools for whatever the individuals reason is or they house people doing specified job training. In either situation there is an implied disinterest in education for it's own sake and an implied lack of ambition to excel. When I was in community the classes were composed of significantly stupider people.

For some reaon I find this hilarious.

My wife decided to go back to school more than ten years after she graduated high school. Community college allowed her to start slowly, taking a night course while she still worked. It allowed her to get her gen-eds taken care of for a fraction of what they'd have cost at a four-year. Because of the way things are set up here, she knew exactly what classes would transfer into her desired program at UIC, and took only those. She finished at CC with a 4.0, which allowed her to get into a highly competitive coordinated program for her chosen major, that included her mandatory internships for licensing. Getting into that program cut a year off her expected graduation date, saving us an additional $12k. Because of the reputation of that program, she was employed in her field within two months of graduating.

None of that would have been possible had she not had the community college available. We'd have had to take out loans, and she wouldn't have had recent grades with which to qualify for the coordinated program.

Doesn't sound like it was a stupid choice to me.

hotsauceman1 wrote:So in my local school newspaper(i got to a community college) wrote an artical saying that the pervading pinion is that community college students are stupid.
Now this is obviously biased, But i do often feel less intelligent than many who went to a 4 year and my sister who is going to.
So i wonder, do you guys think community college students are stupid?

"opinion" stupid...

As someone who has been to both a community college and a 4 year uni I can't say I look down on community college students whatsoever. You do what you need to do to get ahead, no matter where you are in life. If you just need a skill you'd be out of your mind to pay twice the rate to go to a university to get it. Likewise it's nuts to go to a university straight from high school unless you have more money than sense. Not to mention local community colleges make the deal even sweeter, unless you just want to get out of your parents house but that doesn't make any financial sense unless they are charging you rent, as you're saving a ton in food, rent, and utility bills.

Speaking from experience, after having attended university for a period of five years I can guarantee that there are individuals paying $10'000 a year in tuition costs and their so called "higher education", while risking their own mortal lives by failing to wear a helmet when they read their curricular material. This has everything to do with the gak-stain snobs that pay twice or even five times as much for their education than their community college counterparts and experience the need to make themselves feel better by belittling those around them. I was taking third-year courses in my second year, and received all manner of snottery from my "seniors", first because i was the newbie, then because I knew too much for my own good (ex. I had an A+ paper, the nearest contender was a B.. we had to do peer evaluations as well, before handing the final draft, and my entire 10-page paper was marked red from end to end, with closing comment "good work", while the nitwits handed in a 6 (in one case 2 page) draft, using such academic terminology as "cops" and "feds", using their own unsupported opinion while having only used one resource to write their paper with only a week left to hand in the final draft)

People are stupid because they are stupid, not because of the lack of prestige of the instituion they attended.

poda_t wrote:People are stupid because they are stupid, not because of the lack of prestige of the instituion they attended.

Poda_t pretty much nailed it.

Wouldn't say "stupid"

Perhaps not as a large gathering of more intelligent and astute people like 4 year universities.

Been to both 2 year and 4 year schools.

There are plenty of examples of people going to 4 year schools who don't belong. Fact I can sort of observe many students in their daily life at a 4 year school versus a 2 year school, I often wonder how they are still alive or why the university is not suffering from a plague.

2 year schools are targeted at multiple types of people

2 year degrees and done

save money to get the foundation classes out of way (smart people imo)

didn't do so well in high school

Can't really say people going to community college are stupid, but can say, Universities do have more "brain power"

I can't honestly say if the students at community college are less intelligent then the students that the $12,000 a semester university I'm at now.

There are some really stupid guys here at the very least, not sure about the girls. I can't even really say that the classes are significantly more difficult here either...I've gotten 100s on my last two econ exams and I studied the night before and doodle in class (my art has gotten a lot better this semester ). Then again, I may just be brilliant.

Amaya wrote:I can't honestly say if the students at community college are less intelligent then the students that the $12,000 a semester university I'm at now.

There are some really stupid guys here at the very least, not sure about the girls. I can't even really say that the classes are significantly more difficult here either...I've gotten 100s on my last two econ exams and I studied the night before and doodle in class (my art has gotten a lot better this semester ). Then again, I may just be brilliant.

oh boy, now you got me started into it.

It really doesn't help the fact that the instructors are now being evaluated by students, and the university decision to provide the instructor with continued employment, or a raise, depends entirely on student feedback. If the course is too hard, or the the student is doing poorly, then they just get pissy on the evaluation and trash the seven hells out of the prof even if it's just the idiot students fault. Of course, the prof's also understand this, so they try to continue their tenure by ensuring that no student will get that pissy vindictive attitude. How? By making the class easier or dropping the passing grade. Then as university standard drops, so too do highschool standards (I want to actually strangle the minister of education in my province for merging many high-school curricula, that is to say, for example, that pure math and applied math are now one course, to make math more "accessible"), which helps make a slow slide to mental ineptitude. On good friday I volunteered to become the de facto TA for my class in computer science, and it was galling to see the lack of comprehension in just the simplest of math skills among the freshmen. I don't understand how if I pay minimal attention in class (My art has also improved significantly, though gel ink pens do tend to burn out quickly if they are being used for drawing more than for notes.... as an aside I've developed a modification to paper-folded claws that enables me to use 4 colors of gel ink pens and only one finger and my thumb to write....) while those around me take detailed notes on everything are still incapable of getting a simple nested loop to print a bloody triangle, or how people can't understand the principle of getting a Pascale triangle to print correctly.....

And I remember all of the lessons in "teamwork" and "leadership" from university as well. Both terms are interchangeable and amount to nothing more than a lack of trust in your peers, doing everything yourself, and learning how to deal with everyone's incompetence. I was stuck as an arts major in a class brimming with engineering students that had to write a 20 page research report on any security tech of our choice, and these highly technical nitwits who are supposed to be able to analyze everything in extensive detail were not capable of going past 5 pages in two days of writing. After having taken their 5 pages of recommendations I had a 23 page report in about 10 hours. Of course, we still had to present our findings, and of course it was too much to get my "teammates" to read the bloody report....

No. Be it Community College or just College you'll still find self-righteous morons thinking there smart because they have a BA or a 2 Year degree.

Don't get me wrong, BA's and 2 Year degrees are fine and all. But don't go around shouting out to the world that you have them... because, sorry, their not that special.

Get a PHD then come talk to me ;D.

Poppabear wrote:No. Be it Community College or just College you'll still find self-righteous morons thinking there smart because they have a BA or a 2 Year degree.

Don't get me wrong, BA's and 2 Year degrees are fine and all. But don't go around shouting out to the world that you have them... because, sorry, their not that special.

Be a master class welder the come talk to me

Fixed your typo.

poda_t wrote:

Amaya wrote:

It really doesn't help the fact that the instructors are now being evaluated by students, and the university decision to provide the instructor with continued employment, or a raise, depends entirely on student feedback.

Hahahahaha

this is such a joke. I can understand the need for a student to notify and abusive professor, but more often than not a student grades a prof. on 2 criteria

What's my current grade?

Did he/she give too much hard work?

Some of my most favorite professors were the most difficult. May not have received an A but learned a lot more than easier professors I had.

I did have some jerk professors who I am more than confident their soul purpose in life was to make student's lives miserable.

Had one professor come in on the first day

"I will more than likely be the most difficult professor you will ever have. in my 44 years of teaching only 1 student has earned an A in my class and Half of you will drop out after the midterm"

I got a C- in the class and that was one of highest grades.

And to set up a meeting with him for help you had to type up a 2 page report on what you want to discuss 48 hours in advance.

Do other professors do that?

I imagine that in the US people going to community college are poorer than those going to main universities.

Stupid people are everywhere, people going to university usually have good previous qualifications. But the fact is that qualifications are not the only mark of intelligence and many highly intelligent people have potential wasted by poor education. Exams taken at age 16-18 are just a piece of paper, you don't really know how clever they are, how knowledgeable they are, or if they crammed for it with a private tutor, how they have developed and matured since. I'm not who I was at 16, my GCSEs, while good, are meaningless.

If everyone was able to compete on an even basis it might be fairer, but let's be honest, having money gives access to a private education and top university. If you're really stupid they probably won't help, but, conversely, being clever doesn't compensate well for a poor background and poverty. It's not all about raw intelligence that decides these things, not by a long way.

People calling those going to Community Colleges 'stupid' are simply expressing snobbishness and elitism. There are plenty of intelligent people who don't even go to college.

Only a minority of people win scholarships to fund their entire time in college. Most people get the money from family or a loan. Unless you personally earned every penny to put yourself through university, consider yourself fortunate to have come from a background where you could get funding to help you on your way, however intelligent you are.

poda_t wrote:[ And I remember all of the lessons in "teamwork" and "leadership" from university as well. Both terms are interchangeable and amount to nothing more than a lack of trust in your peers, doing everything yourself, and learning how to deal with everyone's incompetence.

Sound slike you learned about the real world. The only thing you didn't learn was how to get the other guy to do it all and then take the credit.

Back to school.

Dunno, this thread makes me uneasy because it reminds me of certain people who argue that anyone who isn't rich must be intellectually inferior

Melissia wrote:Dunno, this thread makes me uneasy because it reminds me of certain people who argue that anyone who isn't rich must be intellectually inferior

I hate that idea, mainly because I've got private school exams on Monday and I need an 100% Bursary even if I pass my exams, otherwise I still can't go. I'm smart, but not financially gifted.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Melissia wrote:Dunno, this thread makes me uneasy because it reminds me of certain people who argue that anyone who isn't rich must be intellectually inferior

I hate that idea, mainly because I've got private school exams on Monday and I need an 100% Bursary even if I pass my exams, otherwise I still can't go. I'm smart, but not financially gifted.

Living in Oxford and catering to the university you see two types of students. The truly gifted, intelligent ones, and the cream of Britain. Cream, of course, being rich and thick.

htj wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Melissia wrote:Dunno, this thread makes me uneasy because it reminds me of certain people who argue that anyone who isn't rich must be intellectually inferior

I hate that idea, mainly because I've got private school exams on Monday and I need an 100% Bursary even if I pass my exams, otherwise I still can't go. I'm smart, but not financially gifted.

Living in Oxford and catering to the university you see two types of students. The truly gifted, intelligent ones, and the cream of Britain. Cream, of course, being rich and thick.

I've seen some idiots in my time, trust me. I've seen people who've gone to Eton and struggle doing short division.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

htj wrote:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Melissia wrote:Dunno, this thread makes me uneasy because it reminds me of certain people who argue that anyone who isn't rich must be intellectually inferior

I hate that idea, mainly because I've got private school exams on Monday and I need an 100% Bursary even if I pass my exams, otherwise I still can't go. I'm smart, but not financially gifted.

Living in Oxford and catering to the university you see two types of students. The truly gifted, intelligent ones, and the cream of Britain. Cream, of course, being rich and thick.

I've seen some idiots in my time, trust me. I've seen people who've gone to Eton and struggle doing short division.

Well, providing a high standard of education costs money, you know. Sometimes you've just got to whore yourself out a bit.