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Im not voting for obama either. allowing some of the things he allowed, shame. But no GOP has my vote either. im going just for the propositions.

If you think thats all you have to do for a corporate bankruptcy, you er, seriously need to educate yourself.
I've taken a few companies through the process on the Bank side. Its a bloody, bloody process.

Clthomps wrote:The fact that he got paid a salary is a moot point when you consider Bonuses and Stock options given to him during his tenure, one can hardly say his salary made him the fortunes he has today. As for point #4 during his time at the company he sunk more than one thousand businesses, how many are still around? What percent is that? I would wager its less than 5%

Well, I guess that's it for your last point. I'm glad this conversation has been fruitful.

Clthomps wrote:Bankruptcy is easy to file, its a matter of filling out pre-made forms. Determining valuable assets is easy too, banks preform an assessment when you apply for a loan, temporarily jacking up stock prices is easy also, all you need to do is lay off half of the workforce.... Closing our a corporation is as easy as bankruptcy simple pre-made forms.

Er...no.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Im not voting for obama either. allowing some of the things he allowed, shame. But no GOP has my vote either. im going just for the propositions.

Thats fair. You don't have to vote for every item, just ones you have an interest in or are knowledgeable about. i've done that several times myself. And I complement you for voting young man.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Im not voting for obama either. allowing some of the things he allowed, shame. But no GOP has my vote either. im going just for the propositions.

At least vote for a 3rd party. Waste your vote with style!

Are the forums going to be spammed with this trash this year? While I welcome and enjoy observing genuine political debate over the upcoming US election, this is not Fox News, we do not need right-wingers masquerading as centrists to pump bs into the embryonic fluid of dakka.

Joey wrote:Are the forums going to be spammed with this trash this year? While I welcome and enjoy observing genuine political debate over the upcoming US election, this is not Fox News, we do not need right-wingers masquerading as centrists to pump bs into the embryonic fluid of dakka.

OK mom, we'll preapprove all topics with you first. I'd like to first propose a topic about killing mountain lions with your bare hands. As you're an expert, I figure you're the guy to review.

Ouze wrote:

Melissia wrote:The republican party is Obama's greatest ally?

... more like, their own worst enemy, lately. I think members of the GOP have been more successful in damaging the GOP brand over the last, say, 2 months then the DNC has been, generally.

The sad thing is that by most measures Obama is a better republican than the Republican party has been, pushing forth legislation that five years ago would have been a Republican's wet dream...

Frazzled wrote:I agree. He should call them out just like that. He should then reveal a Super O shirt and proclaim himself the best Commander in Chief in military affairs evah, even better than Grant, Nixon, Washington, and Eisenhower.

Lets do it and see what happens.

Maybe he can bring this beauty back:

Frazzled wrote:
"What do you think the A on on my head stands for, France?"
-Captain America.

The best thing to ever come out of Ultimate Avengers.
Proof that Cap has a sense of humor. On topic, I'd love to contribute to this discussion in a helpful way, but I'm done being an English teacher, and reading an essay of that length just does NOT sound like a pleasant evening. If Obama is actually claiming credit for the soldier's kill, that's fethed up, and my respect for him has diminished greatly. If he told them he received intelligence that Bin Laden was in that area and ordered the troops to invade with lethal force if needed and claimed credit for sending them in, then he's in the right to claim credit for that. It is actually a difference, even if it seems a bit murky. One instance gives Obama the right, the other instance does not.

Ok guys, you can say all you want about the guy. BUUUUUT, he's still got a free-ticket to the White House. WHO ELSE IS going to take his place?

Romney or Sant'porn'um. Yea give me a break.

Poppabear wrote:Ok guys, you can say all you want about the guy. BUUUUUT, he's still got a free-ticket to the White House. WHO ELSE IS going to take his place?

Romney or Sant'porn'um. Yea give me a break.

Might want to keep up with the times. Santorum has been out of the race for a while. And recent polls show Romney VERY close to Obama.

Melissia wrote:

Ouze wrote:

Melissia wrote:The republican party is Obama's greatest ally?

... more like, their own worst enemy, lately. I think members of the GOP have been more successful in damaging the GOP brand over the last, say, 2 months then the DNC has been, generally.

The sad thing is that by most measures Obama is a better republican than the Republican party has been, pushing forth legislation that five years ago would have been a Republican's wet dream...

Not one step backwards Comrades, er Forward! Don't forget once all this election nonsense is out of the way, he will have greater leeway to do what he wants.
Forward! The EPA hasn't quite killed coal, but will by the end of the year. Natural gas, you're next!
Forward! We need to spend several billion more on antiquated green energy companies that provide me with corporate contributions.
Forward! Feel the wind in your hair with 2% economic growth.
Forward! Our attempts to ship guns to Mexican cartels so that we could institute bans on firearms didn't work out, but we can redouble our efforts!
Forward! Our proposed budgets were rejected by every member of the House and Reid is afraid to put it to a vote in the Senate. Next year we can put forth a plan that will be rejected by twice that amount!
Forward! Analysts are warning another downgrade is coming if something is not done. lets prove investment grade rating don't matter!
Forward! We tried to get gas to $9 a gallon but only made it halfway. With new leeway I'm sure we can get that to $6 a gallon next year!
Forward! We're not going to say what we'd do in the next four years but Bo says vote for me (so I don't eat him)!
Forward!


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CptJake wrote:

Poppabear wrote:Ok guys, you can say all you want about the guy. BUUUUUT, he's still got a free-ticket to the White House. WHO ELSE IS going to take his place?

Romney or Sant'porn'um. Yea give me a break.

Might want to keep up with the times. Santorum has been out of the race for a while. And recent polls show Romney VERY close to Obama.

Gallup has him ahead actually...

Frazzled wrote:A bunch of complete and utter crap

Honestly, Fraz, you expect me to read this? Stop watching Fox political commentators, it's like mental poison but less fun than beer.

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:A bunch of complete and utter crap

Honestly, Fraz, you expect me to read this? Stop watching Fox political commentators, it's like mental poison but less fun than beer.

Whats interesting is that I don't actually watch Fox except for listening to talking heads on the way back to Houston on Sundays. I do watch CNN though and listen to the NPR and the BBC daily. I guess they're mental poison.

I understand it's difficult but if we could at least try to perhaps elevate the discourse a bit more than this it would be much better for everyone.

And if you can't or don't want to ( for whatever reason) then just don't post. The world will still turn, politicians will still philander, they'lll still be wrong and you right over whatevervitalissue is the topic de jour.

And you post live longer too.

Um what about Bushes "Mission Accomplished" speech.
Its the exact same thing.
IF presisdent get the flak for everything that isnt there fault, they should get credit for things they didnt do.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Um what about Bushes "Mission Accomplished" speech.
Its the exact same thing.
IF presisdent get the flak for everything that isnt there fault, they should get credit for things they didnt do.

Actually it isn't the same thing. Read the transcript. http://articles.cnn.com/2003-05-01/us/bush.transcript_1_general-franks-major-combat-allies?_s=PM:US

Note who he thanks and gives credit to.

Clthomps wrote:As for point #4 during his time at the company he sunk more than one thousand businesses, how many are still around? What percent is that? I would wager its less than 5%

Do you also criticize Coroners for their patients being dead?

I do, however, blame medical practitioners for letting their patients die after making the patient agree to give them benefits on their life insurance policy.

The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

No one.

Frazzled wrote:Gallup has ROmney over Obama by the way. Just leaving that here...

By one point, they're even today (5/2).

Ouze wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

No one.

That was a very stupid thing to do in my opinion. Those Marines deserved a reward.

rockerbikie wrote:

Ouze wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

No one.

That was a very stupid thing to do in my opinion. Those Marines deserved a reward.

Why? They were simply doing their (incredibly risk and dangerous) job. They didn't get the vital info, nor organize the operation. They certainly didn't fund it. What they did was brave and admirable, but why should they get a reward on top of their pay?

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

I think it's only fair that the Gun gets the bounty, since no matter who takes credit for the kill, there is no debate on the fact that a gun was involved.

rockerbikie wrote:

Ouze wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

No one.

That was a very stupid thing to do in my opinion. Those Marines deserved a reward.

It's usual for government representatives not to receive rewards despite what they do or don't deserve...

rockerbikie wrote:

Ouze wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

No one.

That was a very stupid thing to do in my opinion. Those Marines deserved a reward.

While I agree in sentiment; the reward was actually not for capturing him but for providing information leading to his capture. Since a human did not provide the tip, no one was eligible; not even the SEAL's.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

I think it's only fair that the Gun gets the bounty, since no matter who takes credit for the kill, there is no debate on the fact that a gun was involved.

I disagree.

It's entirely possible there was an extremely passionate application of a hammer and a bullet or two.

Hazardous Harry wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:

Ouze wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:The Question I have been wondering. Who will get the $25 Million bounty on Bin Ladin's head?

No one.

That was a very stupid thing to do in my opinion. Those Marines deserved a reward.

Why? They were simply doing their (incredibly risk and dangerous) job. They didn't get the vital info, nor organize the operation. They certainly didn't fund it. What they did was brave and admirable, but why should they get a reward on top of their pay?

I think Harry has it right, I wouldn't have been opposed to giving them a little bit extra on top as a bonus, but $25 million? No, they were doing their job. And a fantastic job they did too.