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In canon only one sister has fallen, then again BL states more has fallen, and she was the only one who sought the seduction of Slaanesh. Still I hold them almost as spiritually pure as the Grey Knights.

I'm wholly against the deal with a fallen Ordo Famulous. They are the ones who really have to be resilient due to them working with the depraved nobles of the IOM.

Bry648 wrote:

Beaviz81 wrote:Oh Inquisitor by far, only one SOB has ever truly fallen.

Well, here the thing. There are parts in fluff where Sisters have fallen but A lot people don't agree with and choose to ignore it. I'm either going to have a sister from ordo famoulos (Yes, it's real it the diplomatic army of the Sisters of battle) or Ordo Xenos inquisitor fall.

Only one sister has ever fallen. So there's that right out the window.

Ordo Malleus Radicals seem like they'd be the most likely to fall, TBH.

Chowderhead wrote:

Bry648 wrote:

Beaviz81 wrote:Oh Inquisitor by far, only one SOB has ever truly fallen.

Well, here the thing. There are parts in fluff where Sisters have fallen but A lot people don't agree with and choose to ignore it. I'm either going to have a sister from ordo famoulos (Yes, it's real it the diplomatic army of the Sisters of battle) or Ordo Xenos inquisitor fall.

Only one sister has ever fallen. So there's that right out the window.

Ordo Malleus Radicals seem like they'd be the most likely to fall, TBH.

I was thinking that to but My reasoning behind a ordo xenos inquisitor is that he realizes that there is to many xenos threats for the imperium to handle that they need to use demons and other chaos stuff to fight them.

Ordo Xenos might fall, and that's an okay enough reason for the fall of the chap.

Bry648 wrote:[There are parts in fluff where Sisters have fallen

Mind control != falling to chaos.

If that was the case, then the Imperium can force chaos believers to stop believing through turning them in to servitors and arcoflagellants.

Melissia wrote:

Bry648 wrote:[There are parts in fluff where Sisters have fallen

Mind control != falling to chaos.

If that was the case, then the Imperium can force chaos believers to stop believing through turning them in to servitors and arcoflagellants.

Also much of that is Ciaphas Cain, where they when they regained themselves, promptly jumped to their doom. Hehehe that actually was an unserious and fun read. But more in 1d4-territory than something to take seriously, just like the KOS screaming: "Get away from me you horrible little man!", and then proceeding to act as randomly as at WHFB-gigant during combat.

Inquisitors are probably more likely to fall than any other faction of the Imperium, apart from unsanctioned Psykers, simply because they are more exposed to the threat of Chaos than any other and are, by and large, not as armored in faith and psycho-conditioning as Sisters, Astartes, and similar sorts.

There's also the fact that an Inquisitor is, largely, an independent operative who is given near-total control over his or her investigations, and calls the shots on how things are going to work, what methods are to be employed, and what tools are going to be used. As we saw in one of the Eisenhorn novels, certain Chaos artifacts are extremely subtle in their machinations ("Perhaps if I just read a few pages, to judge for myself its contents...") and without a network of Battle-Brothers or Sisters to help check the Inquisitor's impulses, or detect the signs of taint, the Inquisitor might fall and never know it.

Melissia wrote:

Bry648 wrote:[There are parts in fluff where Sisters have fallen

Mind control != falling to chaos.

If that was the case, then the Imperium can force chaos believers to stop believing through turning them in to servitors and arcoflagellants.

We've gone over this before, but I'm going to clarify a bit more.

Mel's statement of "Mind control != falling to Chaos" is a big one, but it's part of a broader category.

Being "corrupted by Chaos" is not the same as actually "falling to Chaos". Mutants are "corrupted by Chaos", but there are mutants living within the Imperium who aren't trying to tear the place down in the name of the Ruinous Powers.

The parts were a Sister of Battle other than the one has fallen to Chaos in my mind is poorly written.

I will make a up some number-crunching here (I'm not saying it is correct or anything, but it will give some perspective of it), lets say 5 billion SOB has ever existed (with the Orders that doesn't engage in battle all time also) over 5k. years, then 1 billion Grey Knights at all have existed over 10k. years. See were I'm headed?

Making up numbers to prove a point does not end well, Beaviz...

Again:
"Falling to Chaos" is a choice.
"Corrupted by Chaos" is not.

Perhaps.

I dunno, I have slowly taken to dislike the fluff of Sandy Mitchell, as it contest things about the Kos and SOB.

Here's the problem.

You're looking at an author known for writing a satirical slant on 40k. His novels aren't meant to be the "Band of Brothers" take on 40k, they're meant to be the "300" take.

I know. Still if I'm to follow his fluff, then my main chars gets Kaldor Draigo to be nothing, as they will run around, with everything around them sitting on their asses (Ordo Malleus, Ig, GK, SM, SOB and so on), while they are chasing around terrified Hive Tyrants, Greater Daemons and such in a comical fashion.

The pleasure of blank-powered power swords.

Beaviz81 wrote:The parts were a Sister of Battle other than the one has fallen to Chaos in my mind is poorly written.

I will make a up some number-crunching here (I'm not saying it is correct or anything, but it will give some perspective of it), lets say 5 billion SOB has ever existed (with the Orders that doesn't engage in battle all time also) over 5k. years, then 1 billion Grey Knights at all have existed over 10k. years. See were I'm headed?

There are only 4 thousand SoB now, and they've only been around for three thousand years. 5 billion is way overshooting how many there have been ever.

...Since when were there only 4,000 Sisters?

Hard caps on the numbers of people in any organization is just asking for trouble. Assume they aren't there. Then what?

Kanluwen wrote:Being "corrupted by Chaos" is not the same as actually "falling to Chaos". Mutants are "corrupted by Chaos", but there are mutants living within the Imperium who aren't trying to tear the place down in the name of the Ruinous Powers.

Yes, but that's still not the same as falling to chaos.

I mean hell, a ROCK can be corrupted by chaos. it's a physical change. Mind control isn't really either corruption nor falling, in this sense, although it can easily lead to corruption.


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DarknessEternal wrote:There are only 4 thousand SoB now

Even in the most bizarrely small numbers estimated, that's an inaccurately low one and I'd like to see where the hell you got it from.

It seems to be a consensus that all inquisitors end up falling.

I would like to point out that only the inquisitors that stay on the field for too long end up falling. B4 falling, eiseihorn was proposed a more administrative role that he refused. A lot of experienced inquisitor just stop being on the field (forced by critical injury or just choose toclimb in the hierarchy of the inquisition).

All inquisitors that do not end up as "pen pushers" are going to fall though, one day or another, they'll jump from the grey to the black.

As for quixos, he had found a way to close the eye of terror which would allow the IoM to stop deploying so many ressources in defending that front. I mean, ok a planet worth of lives would die, but how many would be saved... (I might be kinda heretical here though)

Serder wrote:It seems to be a consensus that all inquisitors end up falling.

Not really. More experienced Inquisitors fall than younger ones, but not all of them do..

Melissia wrote:

Serder wrote:It seems to be a consensus that all inquisitors end up falling.

Not really. More experienced Inquisitors fall than younger ones, but not all of them do..

I agree. I can't in all good conscience agree with an all-ist statement like that.

As far as a Xenos inquisitor falling to Chaos, that actually seems less likely than one from the other major Ordos. I mean, Ordo Malleus inq. have an obvious path to corruption staring them in the face, and Ordo Hereticus investigates all manner of nasty cults that could end up tracing back to Chaos. But Xenos? They tend to go radical by such evil paths as "Using superior alien tech is a good idea" or "maybe we can talk to these sapients instead of butchering them." Although I guess some xenos do dabble in Chaos, so that could be a route, but bear in mind that leaves out all of the tabletop xenos races.

Bludbaff wrote:As far as a Xenos inquisitor falling to Chaos, that actually seems less likely than one from the other major Ordos. I mean, Ordo Malleus inq. have an obvious path to corruption staring them in the face, and Ordo Hereticus investigates all manner of nasty cults that could end up tracing back to Chaos. But Xenos? They tend to go radical by such evil paths as "Using superior alien tech is a good idea" or "maybe we can talk to these sapients instead of butchering them." Although I guess some xenos do dabble in Chaos, so that could be a route, but bear in mind that leaves out all of the tabletop xenos races.

Well, it depends what you call chaos. Eldars uses the warp without using Chaos (power of the 4 chaos gods). If you think that chaos == warp entity, then yes.

As for getting help from Xenos being radicals. It is known that the IoM sometime did ally to Xenos forces to accomplish a common goals. IIRC some IGs regiment temprarily allied with a Necron Lord to fight against the tyrranids, Gaunt (and Inquisitor Litlith) helped some Eldars to close a Webway, Ravenor used an Eldar (farseer? can't remember) to try and find a way to read the future, etc. I don't see Ravenor as a Radical at that time (can't remember if he turns out like he's old tutor or not)

DarknessEternal wrote:

Beaviz81 wrote:The parts were a Sister of Battle other than the one has fallen to Chaos in my mind is poorly written.

I will make a up some number-crunching here (I'm not saying it is correct or anything, but it will give some perspective of it), lets say 5 billion SOB has ever existed (with the Orders that doesn't engage in battle all time also) over 5k. years, then 1 billion Grey Knights at all have existed over 10k. years. See were I'm headed?

There are only 4 thousand SoB now, and they've only been around for three thousand years. 5 billion is way overshooting how many there have been ever.

There's, like, 4000 Sisters in one single Orders Major, perhaps, but there's a lot more Sisters in the galaxy than that.

Still fewer than there are Space Marines, though.

That depends on how many minor orders you think there are, as the book does not give a limit. One could even argue that there is a minor order for every semi-important Imperial world.

Sure, but even then, an Order Minor might have only ten women in it. You'd need a *lot* of those to reach the million-angry-nun mark... and most of the worlds in the Imperium are not even semi-important.

Psienesis wrote:Sure, but even then, an Order Minor might have only ten women in it.

Or it might have thousands.

Considering millions of worlds, even if just a tenth of those worlds had a minor order with a mere ten sisters each (a dozen sisters is the lowest end of the range and definitely not normal for battle sisters), you'd have more sisters than marines because you'd also have the tens of thousands from the major orders.

Yes they can. Sisters of Battle only ever had one. And apparently very few of the inqusition pure ordos have been taken. But most of the time they come from Ordo Heretics and Xenos have fallen.
Ordo Malleus Inqusitiors rarely fall.
(in fact it is rare for an Inqusitior to fall to chaos. Drogan's body fell to chaos but he didn't.

Yes, Drogan died and his body was reanimated by a sorcerer.

Melissia wrote:Yes, Drogan died and his body was reanimated by a Stupid sorcerer that really didn't know how to kill a single space marine and instead of opening the portal for his fleet he sits and waits.

Fixed.

And agreed.

There is a few Ordo Malleus stories about some inqusitiors that went bad. Radicals are fallen to chaos in my opinion.

Big time, My best example is the Drago because I am to lazy to rack my brain. Daemon prince Tzeentch Inqusitor for example. The Psykers that get possed for another example.

Nurgle wrote:Big time, My best example is the Drago because I am to lazy to rack my brain. Daemon prince Tzeentch Inqusitor for example. The Psykers that get possed for another example.

Drago, didn't get corrupted and he ain't an Inqusitior. He's a grey knight. Plus he doesn't count to me he doesn't exist.