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Kanluwen wrote:Again:

I'm aware of the circumstances surrounding the game. I'm also aware, having played through it and picked up the in-game lore tidbits, that there was a lot of the discrepancies which had originally had me thinking "Cripes, what a dumb idea" explained within the game.

But those who never played the game and never paid attention wouldn' really get the rather striking level of detail taht was put in.

Thinking about it ya... wow... every none WW2 CoD game I am shooting russians.

Just wandering has there ever been a War game set/ or has a level fighting in South Africa?

Nightfall wrote:Thinking about it ya... wow... every none WW2 CoD game I am shooting russians.

Just wandering has there ever been a War game set/ or has a level fighting in South Africa?

What? Beside the very good Red Orchestra series, most are Axis vs. Allies (not Soviets/Comintern).

Nightfall wrote:Thinking about it ya... wow... every none WW2 CoD game I am shooting russians.

Just wandering has there ever been a War game set/ or has a level fighting in South Africa?

Well, MW3 had a few Africa levels...

Keep in mind China is off the list of acceptable foes.

China is a large market where the government has significant censorship powers which is can and will use against offending movies, TV shows, video games.

And sometimes they will go beyond the offending product and go after the producers who made it as well.

After Brad Pitt made 7 Years in Tibet China blacklisted all of his films.

So the Red Dawn remake and a recent game (Homefront?) at the last minute switched the Chinese for North Korea.

Games, movies etc with China as the bad guy simply are not made.

After reading this, no one should mess with the Russians - sorry slightly OT but most definetly worth a read, truely unreal stuff. Grab a copy.

http://books.google.ie/books/about/Free_Fall.html?id=4LFLCLGWiEIC&redir_esc=y

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Keep in mind China is off the list of acceptable foes.

China is a large market where the government has significant censorship powers which is can and will use against offending movies, TV shows, video games.

And sometimes they will go beyond the offending product and go after the producers who made it as well.

After Brad Pitt made 7 Years in Tibet China blacklisted all of his films.

So the Red Dawn remake and a recent game (Homefront?) at the last minute switched the Chinese for North Korea.

Games, movies etc with China as the bad guy simply are not made.

Like the Battlefield series or Command on Conquer Generals.... Wait a second.(though in Generals defense, you simply could fight against CHina, China was actually a good guy. Not that China cared, they still banned the game)


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Happygrunt wrote:

Nightfall wrote:Thinking about it ya... wow... every none WW2 CoD game I am shooting russians.

Just wandering has there ever been a War game set/ or has a level fighting in South Africa?

Well, MW3 had a few Africa levels...

One of the Ghost Recons had a game fighting in Africa, never did play that one though.

Even so the russians were the driving force behind MW3.
You can and do play as them slaughtering things also.
Sadly they've got a reputation, so has Africa except they fight each other. Using russian weapons, same with Libya and other places in the Arab spring.

It's either russians, muslims, or africans.

And the muslims usually have Chechen mercenaries fighting for them, which means that yoru'e still fighting pseudo-russians.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Keep in mind China is off the list of acceptable foes.

China is a large market where the government has significant censorship powers which is can and will use against offending movies, TV shows, video games.

And sometimes they will go beyond the offending product and go after the producers who made it as well.

After Brad Pitt made 7 Years in Tibet China blacklisted all of his films.

So the Red Dawn remake and a recent game (Homefront?) at the last minute switched the Chinese for North Korea.

Games, movies etc with China as the bad guy simply are not made.

There's truth in this. The Hearts of Iron game series is banned because it has Tibet as an independent country, differing from the official party line that Tibet is a part of China (which is bs).

And the muslims usually have Chechen mercenaries fighting for them, which means that yoru'e still fighting pseudo-russians.

Say that to a Russian and see what happens. Mel, you're smart, from I've seen but really

Hey, if you guys are allowed to call us Southerners yanks, I get to call checens pseudo-russians.

IcyCool wrote:

In other news, water is wet.

Dude i fething loved that game Thanks allot for the nostalgia

OT: personly im tired of fighten the damn ruskies, need someone new to fight

I think the "problem" is that there seem to be certain laws to the entertainment industry. The US are generally regarded as the primary audience for these games, so just about any capitalist company is naturally trimming a game to appeal to this very audience. So just about any of these games have a US protagonist, which necessitates the use of a "sworn enemy" as antagonist. So we end up with the usual spectrum of suspects - these days it's most often Nazis, Arabs, or Russians. Surprisingly, China doesn't show up very often, even though it seems to be the one world power capable of opposing the USA right now. Possibly this is because the US focused its attention on the other aforementioned parties and still lacks a clash with China that is sufficient to instill a sufficient amount of distrust/prejudice in the general populace. In short: China usually gets spared because "no one cares".

It's the same reason why we have this. Also related to GW's focus on Space Marines, come to think of it.

At the end of the day, the playerbase has picked its own poison. Either you get game after game having the same kind of protagonist fighting the same kind of antagonist, or we could actually have something new and exciting. But since the latter apparently does not appeal to the target audience as much, we'll be stuck with the same cloned scenarios for another 20 years or so. Maybe by then China will finally have become the new Russians.

Galdos wrote:though in Generals defense, you simply could fight against CHina, China was actually a good guy. Not that China cared, they still banned the game

Hah, true - surprising they didn't like it! In terms of morale high ground and between the "omg let's pull outta here and wall ourselves in" US and the "allaaaaahhhhakbaaaarjihaaad" GLA, China was probably the best faction of the entire game, simply for liberating Europe.

No Russians were harmed during the making of this computer game.

Happy now.

Unfortunately for Russians it's politicaly correct to kill Russians in media. I think China would be a more realistic and interesting enemy but it's just not allowed.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Unfortunately for Russians it's politicaly correct to kill Russians in media. I think China would be a more realistic and interesting enemy but it's just not allowed.

Russia is far more antagonistic than China. Their military is piss-poor but other than that they have the same cold war mentality - the west are bastards, sell resources to the Chinese.

Joey wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Unfortunately for Russians it's politicaly correct to kill Russians in media. I think China would be a more realistic and interesting enemy but it's just not allowed.

Russia is far more antagonistic than China. Their military is piss-poor but other than that they have the same cold war mentality - the west are bastards, sell resources to the Chinese.

In invasion scenarios they usually have accounted for the fact they've gotten their act together. A China that's gotten it's act together and become hostile is much more threatening. Russia has less than half the population of America and often in these stories they've rolled over all of Europe too somehow.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Joey wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Unfortunately for Russians it's politicaly correct to kill Russians in media. I think China would be a more realistic and interesting enemy but it's just not allowed.

Russia is far more antagonistic than China. Their military is piss-poor but other than that they have the same cold war mentality - the west are bastards, sell resources to the Chinese.

In invasion scenarios they usually have accounted for the fact they've gotten their act together. A China that's gotten it's act together and become hostile is much more threatening. Russia has less than half the population of America and often in these stories they've rolled over all of Europe too somehow.

A China that's gotten its act together and become hostile will be at war with India or Japan. America might get involved but unlikely on a large "boots on the ground" scale.
Russia would be far more threatening to the US, since due to a freak of geography Russia is actually closer to the USA than Germany.

Yes, but most American IPs have America and Americans as the protaganist.

Either you get game after game having the same kind of protagonist fighting the same kind of antagonist, or you are left fighting an antagonist that fails to make sense story wise or is not even remotely exciting because they are not a threat.

Fixed that for you


See my earlier post



Oh I guess you can set something way in the future and make any enemy you want as your opponent (I can think of a few interesting games already) but that doesnt do you much good if the audience is interested in a more modern day setting

Me being from one of the ex-ussr countries have no problem at all shooting Russians in video games.

Orlanth wrote:No Russians were harmed during the making of this computer game.

Happy now.

No kidding

No kidding, I would also like to point out that
A: In COD:MW 1,2,3 single player you play not just as an American ( which annoys many people apparently ) but also as a Russian (Yuri), and 2 Brits (Soap,
B:In multi-player you can play as a Russian, and all the other "OPFOR"
C:You guys do realize that China, Hezbollah, and some others groups/countries have made game where you are killing US/IDF troops right?
D: Its just a game


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Amaya wrote:For me the fact that it's supposed to occur in 2022 is beyond laughable. Set 60-70 years down the road it might be somewhat believable or at least tolerable, but in ten years? There's not a chance in hell of North Korea becoming a global power in less than 25 years.

While yes the chance of it happening in currently in real life with North Korea is is nill. It has happened historically, see Nazi Germany/Imperial Japan.

If you guys want an ultra realistic game go for the ARMA franchise. The game is based off a simulator that many militaries use. Its much harder,has a steep learning curve, and a lot less fun in the short term for most people (I personally love it)

Makarov wrote:
It has happened historically, see Nazi Germany/Imperial Japan.

I'm sorry but this statement is false, Imperial Japan started getting going in the mid 19th century and only did as well as they did because nearly every great power at the time was investing in their industry, Nazi Germany, regardless of the ravages of ww1 still had the massive industrial base of the German Empire

No one can become a superpower in 25 years

Anyway, russians don't have a cry and ban the game when you set them as antagonists, they're powerful enough to pose a threat and russia as the bad guy is ingrained in american cultural memory. Its only natural that they become the bad guys that we're allowed to shoot at.

EmilCrane wrote:I'm sorry but this statement is false, Imperial Japan started getting going in the mid 19th century and only did as well as they did because nearly every great power at the time was investing in their industry, Nazi Germany, regardless of the ravages of ww1 still had the massive industrial base of the German Empire
No one can become a superpower in 25 years

Aye, not to mention the lack of know-how. Nazi-Germany and Imperial Japan did as well as they did not only because they had a working industry instead of the "we can't feed 90% of our population" crap that is going on in NK, but also because they had some very ingenious/impressive technology at their disposal. The world's most advanced dive bombers, the world's first jet fighter, the world's biggest battleship, ... North Korea can't even reliably launch a missile, and with their current economy it seems next to impossible to catch up to the other nations anytime soon. The gap has simply become too large at this point. One could almost be surprised their military doesn't utilize horse cavalry, but I suppose the majority of the somewhat more modern equipment they have came from the Soviet Union.

In an actual engagement half their military would probably get bombed into thin crisps from safe distance because their tech is still Cold War era whilst their opponents utilize state of the art jamming equipment, sattelite tracking, GPS fire solutions and UAV-controlled cruise missiles. Even Saddam had a more capable army than North Korea, whose only advantage is its manpower. Sadly, this only means the loss of life will be all the greater should the situation ever escalate.

Look man there was a similar treat sometime back saying the same but about germans. It is a well known fact that the soviet unoin was a bunch of ZOGGIN' GITZ!

I'm not gonna get in to an argument about Homefront with people who haven't actually read any of the source material for Homefront. Using the assistance of an ex-CIA analyst who specialized on North Korean intelligence, the company effectively outlined an alternate history where over the course of several decades, North Korea had a lot of lucky breaks (Kim Jung Un being competent, a wave of nationalistic and unifying fervor in both SK and NK, etc), whereas the US had a lot of unlucky ones (an epidemic and a second Great Depression, combined with infighting and an utter lack of unifying figure and the breakdown of aging infrastructure), resulting in the US becoming intensely divided amongst itself to the point of almost becoming a confederation again. The first act of war was to detonate an EMP over the US that was capable of devasating the country's electrical systems except for EMP-hardened systems (something that is theoretically possible-- EMPs can have extremely long range), and then the second one was to irradiate the Mississippi River and make efforts to contain the US military forces east of the river. The only reason they invaded in the first place was to take as many resources as possible from the US, knowing that the US armed forces would eventually force them out of US territory they effectively set out a campaign of slave labor and strip mining the conquered sectors of the US, and worked with the governments of states that seceded (such as Texas) to ensure that they only fought a war on one front.

So basically, it's a "what if / worst case" scenario for the USA.

At any rate, personally, seeing as almost all modern-setting games are the exact same with no real difference in graphics except quality, I'd have to say I prefer killing orcs or aliens any way.

Im german (yes was born in germany) and so I dont like the idea of a european enemy at all. WWII is given but cut me some slack here I think North Korea is the perfect type of evil country.

Nurgle wrote:Im german (yes was born in germany) and so I dont like the idea of a european enemy at all. WWII is given but cut me some slack here I think North Korea is the perfect type of evil country.

Then you'd like Homefront a lot.

Anyone remember the days of Red Alert, Freedom Fighters, BF3, and the Vostroyans? Sure, in the story mode, you're killing plenty of Russians, but in multiplayer, you get to play as whomever you want. It's war people. There's death and violence, and in the case of Cod it really shouldn't be even an issue of discussion, they've used the same formula of killing Russians since the first game they made. Its the sediment of the Uber Soviet Empire that keeps buyers going back to the shelves to kill more Russians. Yet, there's just something about them people like to admire as well, it's foreign yet familiar, just like Russia. I personally changed the language of BF3 to Russian so I could hear them scream orders and insults in their language as they fought just to change things up. It's good fun, you should try and die as a Russian rather than kill them all the time.