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The internet seems to have this huge blind spot in regards to the FuriLib.

First, why on earth one would take crap like Blood Lance or Shield of Sanguinius on one is beyond me.

Second, of course moving like jump infantry and attacking with 4-7 str 10 attacks is better than than a walking dread with Blood Talons to the extent that you'd pay 50 points for it. It's like winged daemon prince vs non winged DP - talk to your local Chaos players about that. The Psychic Hood is a bonus.

In the end, the FuriLib is just better in combat (over other dreads) vs everything worth a damn. That's what I want in my BA armies.

Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Why gut your threat capability to have an immobile 6" cover provider or 12" meltagun as your contingency for being immobilized.

Or in other word, all powers on Libby dreads are useless when they are immobile. But the ones without Might are half as good when they aren't.

I'm just going to run one with wings and might. Blood lance sounds good in theroy.

Question thought. If the FuriLibbi becomes imobile are you still able to cast something like blood lance?

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Why gut your threat capability to have an immobile 6" cover provider or 12" meltagun as your contingency for being immobilized.

Or in other word, all powers on Libby dreads are useless when they are immobile. But the ones without Might are half as good when they aren't.

Well personally I think they're kind of a waste of points anyway.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Why gut your threat capability to have an immobile 6" cover provider or 12" meltagun as your contingency for being immobilized.

Or in other word, all powers on Libby dreads are useless when they are immobile. But the ones without Might are half as good when they aren't.

Well personally I think they're kind of a waste of points anyway.

And honestly against many armies they are. Blood talons are just far better in general.

Zid wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Why gut your threat capability to have an immobile 6" cover provider or 12" meltagun as your contingency for being immobilized.

Or in other word, all powers on Libby dreads are useless when they are immobile. But the ones without Might are half as good when they aren't.

Well personally I think they're kind of a waste of points anyway.

And honestly against many armies they are. Blood talons are just far better in general.

Why? I really don't care how many Orks a dread can kill sometimes, I care that it has wings, opens AV, is better vs invulnerable saves and multi wound models. As before, better vs everything worth a damn.


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That Chaos players will fall over themselves to take winged princes with warptime, yet FuriLibs get a /Blood Talons wooo! is so curious to me.

4-7 str 10 attacks is good, but 4-the whole freaking squad is better. With the issue of mobility, stick him/her into a stormraven. 50 points for being able to move 12 inches or 200 points for having a large shooty transport that can transport other things and move 24 inches and kill tanks. Your pick, my friend.

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Zid wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Why gut your threat capability to have an immobile 6" cover provider or 12" meltagun as your contingency for being immobilized.

Or in other word, all powers on Libby dreads are useless when they are immobile. But the ones without Might are half as good when they aren't.

Well personally I think they're kind of a waste of points anyway.

And honestly against many armies they are. Blood talons are just far better in general.

Why? I really don't care how many Orks a dread can kill sometimes, I care that it has wings, opens AV, is better vs invulnerable saves and multi wound models. As before, better vs everything worth a damn.


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That Chaos players will fall over themselves to take winged princes with warptime, yet FuriLibs get a /Blood Talons wooo! is so curious to me.

Sure they may be better at killing the big stuff, but generally the big stuff is well-equipped to take down a Dread as well (fists, melta, monstrous creature, etc), with no trade-off in survivability over a regular Furioso.

faheykeyes wrote:4-7 str 10 attacks is good, but 4-the whole freaking squad is better. With the issue of mobility, stick him/her into a stormraven. 50 points for being able to move 12 inches or 200 points for having a large shooty transport that can transport other things and move 24 inches and kill tanks. Your pick, my friend.

I stick my FuriLib in a Stormraven. Winner?

4-whole squad is really pie-in-the-sky thinking. Generally you're not going to get more attacks than what Might of Heroes gives you anyway, and what attacks you do gain are reliant on your 3 or 4 attacks breaking through the saves first in order to generate them. And still, you aren't Str10 with all the benefits that entails against Vehicles, multiwounds T4 or T5 HQs, Paladins, Wraiths and Nobs, and less commonly seen; Grots, Ogryn and Tyranid Warriors.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Sure they may be better at killing the big stuff, but generally the big stuff is well-equipped to take down a Dread as well (fists, melta, monstrous creature, etc), with no trade-off in survivability over a regular Furioso.

With an AV13 combat walker, you really only have to avoid double dice in combat - that's certain MCs (Canoptek Spyders don't really count for example), Hidden warscythes, chainfists, etc.. A Single Powerfist or Meltabomb is a more than acceptable risk to take.

It's a world of difference to other CC beatsticks like say, a Mephiston or a Death Company, or even your ASM troops. They want to avoid Powerweapons heavy units, which are more common, and which the Dreads laugh off.

Defensively, FuriLibs > Talon Furiosos because

1) They are less likely to be stuck between assaults due to lack of movement, thus becoming Meltabait,

2) They can take a weapon destroyed result and still retain their extra attack generation,

3) They can block threating psychic powers (Hammerhand, Sanguine Sword etc)

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Zid wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Yes, but if you take Wings/Might then if anything happens to it then it's pretty much useless (aside from having a Psychic Hood bubble, assuming it wasn't wrecked).

That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Why gut your threat capability to have an immobile 6" cover provider or 12" meltagun as your contingency for being immobilized.

Or in other word, all powers on Libby dreads are useless when they are immobile. But the ones without Might are half as good when they aren't.

Well personally I think they're kind of a waste of points anyway.

And honestly against many armies they are. Blood talons are just far better in general.

Why? I really don't care how many Orks a dread can kill sometimes, I care that it has wings, opens AV, is better vs invulnerable saves and multi wound models. As before, better vs everything worth a damn.


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That Chaos players will fall over themselves to take winged princes with warptime, yet FuriLibs get a /Blood Talons wooo! is so curious to me.

That's assuming your powers go off. Generally you don't send just 1 talon dread in solo against things like paladins. Furiosolibbys are just far too expensive andfar too unreliable. Also read the latest faq, warptime blows now.

That said, I prefer bt dreads for many reasons:
- cheap
- kill nearly any infantry squad quickly, meaning it won't get tarpitted the entire game
- synergizes well with other ba units
- works in my ravenrush list well where I need more anti-infantry

If the libby works for you good on ya. For me they just don't appeal when I have more than enough at as it is.

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:I stick my FuriLib in a Stormraven. Winner?

So you deliver a Furioso Librarian with Wings in a Stormraven???

lulz

reps0l wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:I stick my FuriLib in a Stormraven. Winner?

So you deliver a Furioso Librarian with Wings in a Stormraven???

Good catch. I missed it the first time around . . . . Wings would seem a bit unnecessary for a Furioso Librarian riding in a Stormraven.

Can a Furioso Libby that has Wings of Sanguinius move via the psychic power if it has been immobilized?

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:Can a Furioso Libby that has Wings of Sanguinius move via the psychic power if it has been immobilized?

No, an immobilised vehicle is prohibited from moving.

Furioso libbys are FUN, and good,they just arn't cutting edge competivitve cheep.

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reps0l wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:I stick my FuriLib in a Stormraven. Winner?

So you deliver a Furioso Librarian with Wings in a Stormraven???

Yes, why wouldn't you?

It's a combination that has helped me achieve tournament placings.

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:


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reps0l wrote:

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:I stick my FuriLib in a Stormraven. Winner?

So you deliver a Furioso Librarian with Wings in a Stormraven???

Yes, why wouldn't you?

It's a combination that has helped me achieve tournament placings.

Yeah - dead last. Kidding, of course.

Really though, the Stormraven gets you in fast, so you want to able to move into successive assaults later on. Plus it gives you more scope to employ the nice Bloodstrike missles.

No problem with Raven, it's a useful tool. Just seems like if you need wings for successive assaults, you dropped it off in the wrong area. I would rather take a different power. YMMV.