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Ailaros wrote:You guys are being ridiculous. There's nothing that a coordinated airstrike couldn't immediately blow up with no damage taken in return. The only serious entry here is nurgle, but that's just because all you need is one plague bearer to hypothetically kill off the whole world with disease (hypothetically).

The only way that a small handful of future soldiers would be able to survive is if they had absolutely no way of being detected. For example, 2,000 points of lictors might do the job, as they are undetectable by contemporary means. Likewise, an army of 2,000 points of Marbo could do it, because no matter where you try to attack, they're always right behind you.

Meanwhile, a squad of baneblades is three tomahawk missiles away from a tragic end, and eldrad and his fancy ride would be ended with a single patriot missile.

Eldrad would see the missiles coming and have them blasted from the sky long before they got near him. There's also a very real chance that the ridiculously quick reflexes and reaction speed of the Eldar coupled with their ultra fast and ultra maneuverable skimmers would allow them to easily dodge out of the way of any incoming missiles. Sure, there's no real way that 2k points of Eldar are gonna be conquering the planet, at least not in one go, but they'd definitely do TONS of damage. Remember, our militaries would have no idea of the capabilities of ANY future army, and I think it would be quite a while before even the first skimmer hit the ground.

Of course, Eldar would never set out to conquer a planet with a handful of warriors anyways. They'd rather attack with overwhelming force extremely suddenly and wipe us out before we can react.

Just my opinion, but I think that either our level of tech and competence is being overestimated, or theirs is being underestimated. It's quite possible that 3 tomahawk missiles would do little more than scratch the surface of a bane blade, considering they stand up to way bigger booms than anything we have.

GimbleMuggernaught wrote:Eldrad would see the missiles coming and have them blasted from the sky long before they got near him.

Eldrad was responsible for 911
*disclaimer, because Eldrad is known to be a dick, making dick moves that takes eons to fruit.

1 Reaver Titan with 2 arm mounted.Laser Blasters (the 3 shot Str D weapon) and 1 hull mounted one (1250pts) and a Warhound Titan with 2 Turbo Laser Destructors (2 shot Str D.weapons).


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And.for the record I can think of many ways a Nid army can win. They would be designed to slaughter us. Immunity to our weapons, camoflage carapaces, etc. Basically anything they did to the Tau in Hive Fleet Gorgon. But we are at a disadvantage because the Tau had battlesuits to detect them and Kroot to make them change, as well as a greater ability to change weaponry suit as Pulse weapons, Missile Pods, Plasma, old ammo, new prototypes. We have bullets.

The Black Templars charging through London?
Oh God, the blood.

2k of IG here in my hometown? Oh god, there would be notting left

Dear lord, please don't send a Necron raiding force to Jerusalem. The city's history is dramatic enough as is.

2k points of necrons. we don't have much to stand against such advance technology.
doomscythes would fly circles around any jets we have and immortals would be immune to all small arms fire. and even if you destroy one he will prob just repair because you didn't cause enough severe damage to make him phase out.

scarabs and wraiths would assassinate any commanders we have with ease.

basically we would never stop necrons.

GamzaTheChaos wrote:2k points of necrons. we don't have much to stand against such advance technology.
doomscythes would fly circles around any jets we have and immortals would be immune to all small arms fire. and even if you destroy one he will prob just repair because you didn't cause enough severe damage to make him phase out.

scarabs and wraiths would assassinate any commanders we have with ease.

basically we would never stop necrons.

Not to mention the engines from the necron aircraft will drive our own soldiers insane. Yeah, necrons will screw us over. Hell, all it takes is one c'tan shard, and game over. The earth is now his playground and buffet.

2000 pts worth of grots

Each sheds spores as they live and die, and each is a man-sized sneaky psychotic coward, who comes out at night to do unspeakable things...

Ascalam wrote:2000 pts worth of grots

Each sheds spores as they live and die, and each is a man-sized sneaky psychotic coward, who comes out at night to do unspeakable things...

And if they do get killed, that's ok! The spores generated from their corpses will make even more grots, and maybe even orks!
Orkses always wins a foight!

Orks.

Utter mayhem, and once their dead which in fairness won't be as long as other factions, they release spores and the endless cycle of death repeats until one day we toast the planet or orks win. It might be 10 years it might be 10000. But in the end. We WILL lose one way or the other.

Once a planet is infested by Orks, it is eternally locked in endless war, short of the cleansing firestorm.of Exterminatus.

Somewhere in the ork codex.

LunaHound wrote:

Eldrad was responsible for 911
*disclaimer, because Eldrad is known to be a dick, making dick moves that takes eons to fruit.

That is now in my signature... may it live on forever...


But necrons, or orks, or nids. Any race would do shittonnes of damage,

And eldar would remain undetected for ages, but everyone important would die... Especially if a farseer was present...

LunaHound wrote:

GimbleMuggernaught wrote:Eldrad would see the missiles coming and have them blasted from the sky long before they got near him.

Eldrad was responsible for 911
*disclaimer, because Eldrad is known to be a dick, making dick moves that takes eons to fruit.

Convincing a gullible Mon-Keigh to blow himself and thousands of other Mon-Keigh up? Definitely has Eldrad written all over it. Turns out the war on terror should have been a war on a fictional alien race.

That really depends... are we allowed to bring in super heavies?
If I could have access to the apoc codex I'd say the imperial guard, a few bandblade or shadowsword tanks would not be easy to halt.

Sticking to regular rules though, I'd say orks. You can have a lot of ork boys for 2000 points, and seeing how defenseless most cities are ork boys are about all you'd need.

thinking about it, 2000pts of wraithguard would be tragic considdering their guns rip open space o.O

3rd ed Necrons.

Nothing humanity has would touch an oldcron Lith

Going with Alpha legion. Infiltrate town, take over main areas, go from there. probably would not even be a resistance....

You all have forgotten one very critical army, the Necrons.
2k worth of those buggers could annihilate a city no problem. Talk of airstikes and coordinated counter attacks could be ended by advanced signal jamming and hacking.
Thats not even mentioning the damage their Gauss weapons could do. They don't even need to re-supply or have to worry about ammo or food.

If the denizens of the 40k universe have such a hard time dealing with these guys what chance do we have?

I say necrons. A couple of C'tan shards and a monolith and that city is bye-bye.

Orks and Daemons have the best chance. Tyranids although they go back into the Hive Mind can be stopped if they are wiped out. Orks die and just go poof and spores come out and make more orks, they are comparable to body builders in strength and size. Daemons because well they are un-killable and can just flood onto Earth as much as as their God wants them to.

But a single stormraven could wipe a country albeit very slowly. They can fly out of our atmospher so fly outside drop into the atmosphere to shoot then fly back out. Repeat and slowly you will destroy towns.

redkeyboard wrote: Orks necrons and Daemons have the best chance. Tyranids although they go back into the Hive Mind can be stopped if they are wiped out. Orks die and just go poof and spores come out and make more orks, they are comparable to body builders in strength and size. Daemons because well they are un-killable and can just flood onto Earth as much as as their God wants them to.

But a single stormraven could wipe a country albeit very slowly. They can fly out of our atmospher so fly outside drop into the atmosphere to shoot then fly back out. Repeat and slowly you will destroy towns.

Why does everyone keep forgetting about necrons? All they have to do is deploy one C'tan in each city, and that's it.

Also, that stormraven thing would work...if we didn't have SAM sites, ballistic missiles, fighter jets...

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

redkeyboard wrote: Orks necrons and Daemons have the best chance. Tyranids although they go back into the Hive Mind can be stopped if they are wiped out. Orks die and just go poof and spores come out and make more orks, they are comparable to body builders in strength and size. Daemons because well they are un-killable and can just flood onto Earth as much as as their God wants them to.

But a single stormraven could wipe a country albeit very slowly. They can fly out of our atmospher so fly outside drop into the atmosphere to shoot then fly back out. Repeat and slowly you will destroy towns.

Why does everyone keep forgetting about necrons? All they have to do is deploy one C'tan in each city, and that's it.

Also, that stormraven thing would work...if we didn't have SAM sites, ballistic missiles, fighter jets...

No one is forgetting Necrons. They just feel that Orks have a better chance. I would have to agree. Necrons have a finite amount of troops, where as Orks are gonna have the spore thing, which as established means that we would be locked in eternal war, until we die. Sure a C'tan shard in each major city would be brutal, but with enough space in between major cities, and with air support I think eventually they could be defeated, especially if humanity united.

My Black Templar would do a fine job.
NO PITY! NO REMORSE! NO FEAR!

I believe that Beijing is the only city that could survive Nurgle's "blessings". It's already so filthy and scummy they would hardly notice a difference. Maybe the sky would look a little greener but it's not like the water or food could get worse!

A Genestealer cult

Personally I think a genestealer cult is about the only thing that could seriously endanger our planet. People seem to forget how frighteningly impressive weaponry our age possesses. Baneblades or Landraiders may be tough, but considering that the LRBcannon is about equal in strength to any other tanks cannon (at S8), then that would make other spezialized anti-tank or anti bunker weapons about S9 or S10, and when fired from an aircraft so far away or above that any ground force can't even see them I don't think they will stand a chance. The thing is that wh40k fights a different fight then we do at the time, meaning that whereas power fists are surely impressive, they are useless against missiles fired from miles and miles away.

To get to the question: 2000 points isn't a lot, but I guess either a genestealer cult would be bad, or some necrons since they would freak the s*** out of everyone
Alternatively Sternguard deep striking via droppod into any countries capital government building and going nuts would cause major havoc...

2000 points of any 40K army could pretty much take out my entire country, hell we still use turboprop aircraft developed in the 60s (thank you USA for your donations). I wouldn't be surprised if our heaviest weapons were light artillery only. Heavier stuff isn't that useful when your main domestic threat are guerrillas hiding in the mountain rain forests.

Of course, after that they'd be stuck on an island with no transpo (depending on army build). So I guess it depends whether the UN decides to nuke what's left of my country and save the planet (unlikely) or they bicker long enough for ork spores / tyranid bioforms / nurgle plague to spread across the sea (much more likely)

SPHESS MAHREENS USING STEEL REHN! Never stop their landing and each is.worth about 20 of our soldiers.

GimbleMuggernaught wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

redkeyboard wrote: Orks necrons and Daemons have the best chance. Tyranids although they go back into the Hive Mind can be stopped if they are wiped out. Orks die and just go poof and spores come out and make more orks, they are comparable to body builders in strength and size. Daemons because well they are un-killable and can just flood onto Earth as much as as their God wants them to.

But a single stormraven could wipe a country albeit very slowly. They can fly out of our atmospher so fly outside drop into the atmosphere to shoot then fly back out. Repeat and slowly you will destroy towns.

Why does everyone keep forgetting about necrons? All they have to do is deploy one C'tan in each city, and that's it.

Also, that stormraven thing would work...if we didn't have SAM sites, ballistic missiles, fighter jets...

No one is forgetting Necrons. They just feel that Orks have a better chance. I would have to agree. Necrons have a finite amount of troops, where as Orks are gonna have the spore thing, which as established means that we would be locked in eternal war, until we die. Sure a C'tan shard in each major city would be brutal, but with enough space in between major cities, and with air support I think eventually they could be defeated, especially if humanity united.

You are forgetting that C'tan can warp reality.
They may be underwhelming in the game, but fluff=/=rules.
A C'tan shard in the fluff is still a force to be reckoned with; those missiles and aircraft won't even come near him, and even then, it will take a lot.
And if the necrons unleash a slightly more intact C'tan (unlikely, but possible), then Earth is automatically gone.

Why does everyone keep thinking that our cannons are S8? Imperial weapons are a lot stronger and more advanced than ours; our tank cannons are probably closer to S6 or S7.