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Why is it your guys problem, just piss off and worry about your own problems... please, the world is sick of your 'help'.

Poppabear wrote:Why is it your guys problem, just piss off and worry about your own problems... please, the world is sick of your 'help'.

So when ANZAC troops were sent to Vietnam and Afghanistan ( in Afghanistan case even they aren't required to because they aren't in NATO) that is the US fault too?

AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:We also have contingency plans for Canada; there's an entire section of the pentagon devoted to drawing up plans for pretty much whatever; you know, "just in case." the plans for mexico have existed for a while. It just seems more likely that they may get used now.

the last time the US messed with canada they got their white house burned down

That's a rather long stretch. Had you said that generals in Canada soundly defeated Americans in defense of their country that would be one thing. But British troops led by and English and Irish general by way of Bermuda. I think you meant to say the last time the US messed with the United Kingdom the White House burned and the Canadians sat at home and locked the door.

another fine example of the american public education system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

As Canada was still a loyal british colony, they were the british troops that torched the white house. They have quite a few parties planned to commemorate the bicentennial anniversary of the event

sirlynchmob wrote:

AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:We also have contingency plans for Canada; there's an entire section of the pentagon devoted to drawing up plans for pretty much whatever; you know, "just in case." the plans for mexico have existed for a while. It just seems more likely that they may get used now.

the last time the US messed with canada they got their white house burned down

That's a rather long stretch. Had you said that generals in Canada soundly defeated Americans in defense of their country that would be one thing. But British troops led by and English and Irish general by way of Bermuda. I think you meant to say the last time the US messed with the United Kingdom the White House burned and the Canadians sat at home and locked the door.

another fine example of the american public education system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

As Canada was still a loyal british colony, they were the british troops that torched the white house. They have quite a few parties planned to commemorate the bicentennial anniversary of the event

Apparently the Canadian education system is so overwhelming it cured you of ever needing to read or comprehend.
Generally when someone says "the last time x messed with y" they don't claim the deed of z. Or in this case generally one claims the deeds of THEIR OWN countrymen. Canada being short on such examples I can see why you so eagerly latch onto the coattails of British success. No, wait you are totally right. The last time Scotland messed with the US the Bonnie Prince Charlie was defeated and Scottish lords lost their right to hereditary jurisdiction. Don't think about it too hard you might hurt yourself.
Here's a summary of Canada's involvement in the war of 1812 FROM Canada. You'll carefully note the mention of the burning of Washington is one sentence long and credited (rightfully) to the British.

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/war-of-1812 wrote:The war of 1812 was a military conflict between the United States and Great Britain. As a colony of Great Britain, Canada was swept up in the War of 1812 and was invaded a number of times by the Americans.

Those blithering idiots from the Historica Dominon Institute must have gone to school in that wacky American public education system; you know where they teach facts, and punctuation.

AustonT wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:We also have contingency plans for Canada; there's an entire section of the pentagon devoted to drawing up plans for pretty much whatever; you know, "just in case." the plans for mexico have existed for a while. It just seems more likely that they may get used now.

the last time the US messed with canada they got their white house burned down

That's a rather long stretch. Had you said that generals in Canada soundly defeated Americans in defense of their country that would be one thing. But British troops led by and English and Irish general by way of Bermuda. I think you meant to say the last time the US messed with the United Kingdom the White House burned and the Canadians sat at home and locked the door.

Hum hum. Everything he claimed is still factually right. So there's that. Frakking U.S. blind pride...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Châteauguay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crysler's_Farm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lundy's_Lane

So basically we are all acknowledging that any offensive victories in the war of 1812 were accomplished by British troops and/or leaders, but some Canadians were involved, and Canada didn't get steamrolled by the Americans.... so yay? I don't get why anyone cares, I guess. Is there some debate about what would happen now a days based on this, or was it just some zingers that started getting over analyzed?

hey, I just wanted to comment on the incorrect use of the name White House for the Presidential House prior 1812...

... and then mock a bit the American pride gag-reflex...

... My true allegiance is to the Patriot flag and the Provisional Metis Government... so I guess the all-time losers...

Kovnik Obama wrote:hey, I just wanted to comment on the incorrect use of the name White House for the Presidential House prior 1812...

... and then mock a bit the American pride gag-reflex...

... My true allegiance is to the Patriot flag and the Provisional Metis Government... so I guess the losers...

I know the legit use of the term now, but I ain't gonna lie man, I've been exposed to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metis_%28World_of_Darkness%29#Breed_Forms
for like 10 years longer, so that is where my mind goes. Damned Rp reflexes.

Kovnik Obama wrote:hey, I just wanted to comment on the incorrect use of the name White House for the Presidential House prior 1812...

... and then mock a bit the American pride gag-reflex...

... My true allegiance is to the Patriot flag and the Provisional Metis Government... so I guess the losers...

Except the only misplaced pride in this thread is from Canada? You posted links that shored up my point emphasizing Canada's role in the war, which is why I didn't bother asking how you figured "US blind pride" figured in. You are welcome to drown your sorrows in syrup and blame US pride for whatever you would like. Call the Griddlemaster General.


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Bromsy wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:hey, I just wanted to comment on the incorrect use of the name White House for the Presidential House prior 1812...

... and then mock a bit the American pride gag-reflex...

... My true allegiance is to the Patriot flag and the Provisional Metis Government... so I guess the losers...

I know the legit use of the term now, but I ain't gonna lie man, I've been exposed to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metis_%28World_of_Darkness%29#Breed_Forms
for like 10 years longer, so that is where my mind goes. Damned Rp reflexes.

I don't get it...edit: (now I do)

That is awesome beyond epicness.

"A Garou born from two Garou parents is called a Metis and is invariably deformed as a result of this inbreeding, as well as completely sterile; however, Metis have Gifts and advantages exclusive to their breed, including the ability to regenerate in all their various forms and a deeper understanding of Garou society owing to their pre-change life exclusively amongst the Garou. "

Except the only misplaced pride in this thread is from Canada? You posted links that shored up my point emphasizing Canada's role in the war, which is why I didn't bother asking how you figured "US blind pride" figured in. You are welcome to drown your sorrows in syrup and blame US pride for whatever you would like. Call the Griddlemaster General.

Hum. So you miss the part where the English crown is my mortal enemy? I shored up points emphasizing the French Canadians kicking your asses, and then the final battle in which the English fought you back out.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

Hum. So you miss the part where the English crown is my mortal enemy? I shored up points emphasizing the French Canadians kicking your asses, and then the final battle in which the English fought you back out.

This relates to "blind" US pride how?

Kovnik Obama wrote:That is awesome beyond epicness.

"A Garou born from two Garou parents is called a Metis and is invariably deformed as a result of this inbreeding, as well as completely sterile; however, Metis have Gifts and advantages exclusive to their breed, including the ability to regenerate in all their various forms and a deeper understanding of Garou society owing to their pre-change life exclusively amongst the Garou. "

I know, it was really off putting when I realized this referenced actual people.

Its a French term meaning halfbreed/mixed-race. I guess they took it with pride.

Kovnik Obama wrote:Its a French term meaning halfbreed/mixed-race. I guess they took it with pride.

So it's like a Quebecois "mulatto"?

Does that make your allegiance roughly the same as the "South will Rise Again" crowd in the US?

"Was surprised to learn that the Pentagon has contingency plans for occupying Mexico"

Why?

I'm fairly certain that they have contingencies for everything.

Even the zombie apocalypse.

Makarov wrote:

Poppabear wrote:Why is it your guys problem, just piss off and worry about your own problems... please, the world is sick of your 'help'.

So when ANZAC troops were sent to Vietnam and Afghanistan ( in Afghanistan case even they aren't required to because they aren't in NATO) that is the US fault too?

Vietnam was because Australia was thought to be DIRECTLY THREATENED. And afganistan. Well, we will go to war with people if the USA hangs a free trade agreement over our politician's heads. Also because We are nearer to Afganistan then most other countries (resupply and R&R). In fact, you guys owe us for making our country into a USA military camp now. We have 4 camps up north, and your ships are going to dock down where I live.

Seriously though, if you look at the reasons why Aussies actually go to *war* it's either because of concessions granted to us, or because of our so-called *allies* who then tell us we are no longer needed.

Yep, looking at YOU UK.

Doctadeth wrote:

Makarov wrote:

Poppabear wrote:Why is it your guys problem, just piss off and worry about your own problems... please, the world is sick of your 'help'.

So when ANZAC troops were sent to Vietnam and Afghanistan ( in Afghanistan case even they aren't required to because they aren't in NATO) that is the US fault too?

Vietnam was because Australia was thought to be DIRECTLY THREATENED. And afganistan. Well, we will go to war with people if the USA hangs a free trade agreement over our politician's heads. Also because We are nearer to Afganistan then most other countries (resupply and R&R). In fact, you guys owe us for making our country into a USA military camp now. We have 4 camps up north, and your ships are going to dock down where I live.

Seriously though, if you look at the reasons why Aussies actually go to *war* it's either because of concessions granted to us, or because of our so-called *allies* who then tell us we are no longer needed.

Yep, looking at YOU UK.

Man, I really hope we never come to a point where Aussies have to go to war for their survival as a nation. Cause that will mean we have to go to war with China and gak is getting real. And I like Aussie girls, and I haven't had problems with the fellas either, so I wouldn't want them to have to suffer through that. Said though, if war with China is looming, Minnesota is willing to shelter any surplus population of cute girls who might hamper the defensive efforts you all are preparing. I personally guarantee it.

AustonT wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:Its a French term meaning halfbreed/mixed-race. I guess they took it with pride.

So it's like a Quebecois "mulatto"?

Does that make your allegiance roughly the same as the "South will Rise Again" crowd in the US?

Mullato's Italian, if I'm not mistaken. In French, the verb 'to interracially reproduce' is Métisser, 'Métis' is specific to North-American Native mixed people, and 'Mulâtre' is specific to darker skin mix. Mullato is equivalent to mulâtre.

The Patriot flag is the flag of those who wish for a Québec sovereign. I don't think it would be an appropriate comparison, we try to obtain our political objectives entirely within the scope of International law. Rising is silly when you can just argue slowly and live old and well.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:Its a French term meaning halfbreed/mixed-race. I guess they took it with pride.

So it's like a Quebecois "mulatto"?

Does that make your allegiance roughly the same as the "South will Rise Again" crowd in the US?

Mullato's Italian, if I'm not mistaken. In French, the verb 'to interracially reproduce' is Métisser, 'Métis' is specific to North-American Native mixed people, and 'Mulâtre' is specific to darker skin mix. Mullato is equivalent to mulâtre.

The Patriot flag is the flag of those who wish for a Québec sovereign. I don't think it would be an appropriate comparison, we try to obtain our political objectives entirely within the scope of International law. Rising is silly when you can just argue slowly and live old and well.

I mean, if they didn't hit it with both the sterile and mutated barrels, the White Wolf version wouldn't be that bad, I mean they are more in touch with actually being werewolves and their gifts are arguably the best, but it does seem pretty gnarly to come at it the way they did.

White-Wolf might have had problems with that... I think a supplement call Gipsy&something also raised a lot of critic for use of negative racial terms.

Yeah, World of Darkness: Gypsies, can't remember the exact issues, but some folks where really steamed over it.

It saddens me the way this thread is going. It was supposed to be about the southern border. If I'm being honest, I was looking forward to Frazz declaring he would raise a force of Texas regulars to sweep over the border

And finally, I don't want to see the USA and Canada engage in hostilities. When those two great nations combine, they give us John Candy, Dan Akroyd, Leslie Neilson, Ghostbusters, triple cheeseburgers etc etc. Give peace a chance. Think of the children...

sirlynchmob wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:We also have contingency plans for Canada; there's an entire section of the pentagon devoted to drawing up plans for pretty much whatever; you know, "just in case." the plans for mexico have existed for a while. It just seems more likely that they may get used now.

the last time the US messed with canada they got their white house burned down

We got betta!


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Happygrunt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g81eGiLXA1M

Am I the only one who thought of this scene from the West Wing?

Also, seeing as we went to war with Mexico once, and almost twice, this doesn't surprise me at all.

Three times actually.

War of Independence - viva Tejas!
Mexican American War. No ones feths with the USA when Lee, Longstreet, Jackson, Hancock, and Grant are on the same side.
Pancho Villa and the Pershing incursion. - Chase those bandits. Wow, they sure hide good. Screw it lets kick Germany's ass instead!


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Melissia wrote:"Was surprised to learn that the Pentagon has contingency plans for occupying Mexico"

Why?

I'm fairly certain that they have contingencies for everything.

Even the zombie apocalypse.

No NO NO Melissia. You're a Texan. We refer to that as the Zombie games. Come on we have an annual fair celebrating a multicounty rattlesnake roundup, something not seen since the Mongols. Zombies would be just an excuse to drink a whole lot of beer and do donuts in the parking lot side swiping zombies to cranked up ZZ Top.

And thats just the high school kids having fun. Wait til Frazzled unlimbers the full auto wienies...ALL YOUR ZOMBIE ANKLES ARE BELONG TO US!


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Bromsy wrote:

Doctadeth wrote:

Makarov wrote:

Poppabear wrote:Why is it your guys problem, just piss off and worry about your own problems... please, the world is sick of your 'help'.

So when ANZAC troops were sent to Vietnam and Afghanistan ( in Afghanistan case even they aren't required to because they aren't in NATO) that is the US fault too?

Vietnam was because Australia was thought to be DIRECTLY THREATENED. And afganistan. Well, we will go to war with people if the USA hangs a free trade agreement over our politician's heads. Also because We are nearer to Afganistan then most other countries (resupply and R&R). In fact, you guys owe us for making our country into a USA military camp now. We have 4 camps up north, and your ships are going to dock down where I live.

Seriously though, if you look at the reasons why Aussies actually go to *war* it's either because of concessions granted to us, or because of our so-called *allies* who then tell us we are no longer needed.

Yep, looking at YOU UK.

Man, I really hope we never come to a point where Aussies have to go to war for their survival as a nation. Cause that will mean we have to go to war with China and gak is getting real. And I like Aussie girls, and I haven't had problems with the fellas either, so I wouldn't want them to have to suffer through that. Said though, if war with China is looming, Minnesota is willing to shelter any surplus population of cute girls who might hamper the defensive efforts you all are preparing. I personally guarantee it.

And don't forgt, for those who are whom sick, Texas is like a smaller Australia, but with queso.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It saddens me the way this thread is going. It was supposed to be about the southern border. If I'm being honest, I was looking forward to Frazz declaring he would raise a force of Texas regulars to sweep over the border

And finally, I don't want to see the USA and Canada engage in hostilities. When those two great nations combine, they give us John Candy, Dan Akroyd, Leslie Neilson, Ghostbusters, triple cheeseburgers etc etc. Give peace a chance. Think of the children...

You forgot puteen... Gravy fries with cheese curds. yummm

I bet if mexico got invaded, the USA would send Australia to start the invasion again....like the second gulf war. Check the records. The SASR were in iraq approximately a week before the invasion launched. And yes....the vietcong didn't fear the USA. They HATED us Australians.

So you're saying if the US sent troops to Mexico, they would ask for Australia's help?


Er...ok...

Kovnik Obama wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:We also have contingency plans for Canada; there's an entire section of the pentagon devoted to drawing up plans for pretty much whatever; you know, "just in case." the plans for mexico have existed for a while. It just seems more likely that they may get used now.

the last time the US messed with canada they got their white house burned down

Wasn't White back then, they painted it White in order to hide the burn marks on the foundation (IIRC)

Wasn't Canada back then either.

I still have my doubts about Canadian independence.

Fraz: Zombie weiners.

That is really all there is to say on the matter.

Melissia wrote:Fraz: Zombie weiners.

That is really all there is to say on the matter.

I WAS going to have hot dogs for lunch. Now, maybe a nice salad...

Melissia wrote:Fraz: Zombie weiners.

That is really all there is to say on the matter.

How would you tell the difference?