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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It saddens me the way this thread is going. It was supposed to be about the southern border. If I'm being honest, I was looking forward to Frazz declaring he would raise a force of Texas regulars to sweep over the border

And finally, I don't want to see the USA and Canada engage in hostilities. When those two great nations combine, they give us John Candy, Dan Akroyd, Leslie Neilson, Ghostbusters, triple cheeseburgers etc etc. Give peace a chance. Think of the children...

We also gave you Capt Kirk

Any open war with Mexico would just be ugly and there is no way it could end well. You have a large mexican population across all the lower states, and Arizona would probably try to round them all up and put them into camps. The Texans would go bat gak insane if they lost the alamo again

I'm not sure what kind of fight mexico could put up, but when you think of all the cities on the border becoming war zones its just scarey to think about. The Mexican Army has an active duty force of 470,000 (2012 est.). Plus they pretty well equipped. The US has as of 30 September 2010, 1,430,895 people were on active duty, between all the service, most of those in Iraq and Afgan. If mexico decided to strike first we could wake up one morning and have lost san diego, el centro, yuma, tuscon, el paso, and all those towns across the texas border. If the US strikes first, then most of the fighting would be done in mexico, but there's no way to predict how bad the collateral damage would be.

Losing san diego, which would probably be the primary target would cut off most of the US naval support.

No, thats really not what they're talking about. They're talking about a collapsed military/government, and sending in heavy to restore order. As noted we've had to do it before.

They're not talking invasion.

Alternatively we could make make most illicit drugs legal and actually control our own border. . .

sirlynchmob wrote:

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:It saddens me the way this thread is going. It was supposed to be about the southern border. If I'm being honest, I was looking forward to Frazz declaring he would raise a force of Texas regulars to sweep over the border

And finally, I don't want to see the USA and Canada engage in hostilities. When those two great nations combine, they give us John Candy, Dan Akroyd, Leslie Neilson, Ghostbusters, triple cheeseburgers etc etc. Give peace a chance. Think of the children...

We also gave you Capt Kirk

Any open war with Mexico would just be ugly and there is no way it could end well. You have a large mexican population across all the lower states, and Arizona would probably try to round them all up and put them into camps. The Texans would go bat gak insane if they lost the alamo again

I'm not sure what kind of fight mexico could put up, but when you think of all the cities on the border becoming war zones its just scarey to think about. The Mexican Army has an active duty force of 470,000 (2012 est.). Plus they pretty well equipped. The US has as of 30 September 2010, 1,430,895 people were on active duty, between all the service, most of those in Iraq and Afgan. If mexico decided to strike first we could wake up one morning and have lost san diego, el centro, yuma, tuscon, el paso, and all those towns across the texas border. If the US strikes first, then most of the fighting would be done in mexico, but there's no way to predict how bad the collateral damage would be.

Losing san diego, which would probably be the primary target would cut off most of the US naval support.

This is from Wikipedia, it is also easily identifiable as false. The active duty component of the ENTIRE Mexican Armed Forces in 2011 was 259,770, they have not doubled in size since then. On the same page you pulled that number it clearly shows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army wrote: Size 192.000 (2011 est.)[1]

You'll notice the footnote indicating a citation. The 259,770 number for the combined forces of Mexico is verifiable by multiple sources.

Frazzled wrote:No, thats really not what they're talking about. They're talking about a collapsed military/government, and sending in heavy to restore order. As noted we've had to do it before.

They're not talking invasion.

Alternatively we could make make most illicit drugs legal and actually control our own border. . .

I know, but if you think of what could happen if it all goes bad and it leads to a full scale war with mexico, its just bad.

but decriminalizing drugs and guarding a boarder is to easy, therefore it won't happen but I always loved the lets build a wall discussion. Well who would build it? the US would pay immigrant workers to build it. It would be a great boost to the mexican economy Plus there are so many tunnels running under the existing wall, its a pointless project in the long run anyways. Now maybe a high tech version with trip wires and sonic guns, that would keep people away from the border, but then they just start the tunnels farther out.

If its a full scale war with Mexico it ends up very bad for Mexico, until the end then they could theoretically up as the 51st - 55th states.

Frazzled wrote: they could theoretically up as the 51st - 55th states.

It's still a real possibility. I would wager if we hit an economic boom inside a 20 year window a growing *legal* Hispanic electorate will probably agitate to annex Mexico from it's failed government and increase the welfare of it's people.
Canada comes after that.

Manifest Destiny 2020, From North Pole to the South Pole!

AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote: they could theoretically up as the 51st - 55th states.

It's still a real possibility. I would wager if we hit an economic boom inside a 20 year window a growing *legal* Hispanic electorate will probably agitate to annex Mexico from it's failed government and increase the welfare of it's people.
Canada comes after that.

or allow mexico to annex the US, and you could be the united states of mexico

When you come for canada, bring some Chimichanga with you.

sirlynchmob wrote:

AustonT wrote:

Frazzled wrote: they could theoretically up as the 51st - 55th states.

It's still a real possibility. I would wager if we hit an economic boom inside a 20 year window a growing *legal* Hispanic electorate will probably agitate to annex Mexico from it's failed government and increase the welfare of it's people.
Canada comes after that.

or allow mexico to annex the US, and you could be the united states of mexico

When you come for canada, bring some Chimichanga with you.

I hate to say it, but they beat you to it already. The full name for the Republic of Mexico is:
Estados Unidos Mexicanos

They also beat the Euros to EU but who is counting?

Oh right: Me.

I'd like to think that the Pentagon has contingency plans for fighting a 3 way war between Spain, Bermuda, and Martians.

Ouze wrote:I'd like to think that the Pentagon has contingency plans for fighting a 3 way war between Spain, Bermuda, and Martians.

Indeed, thats why they secretly have Bruce Lee, Elvis, and the Smog Monster on ice, just for such a contingency.

biccat wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:We also have contingency plans for Canada; there's an entire section of the pentagon devoted to drawing up plans for pretty much whatever; you know, "just in case." the plans for mexico have existed for a while. It just seems more likely that they may get used now.

the last time the US messed with canada they got their white house burned down

Wasn't White back then, they painted it White in order to hide the burn marks on the foundation (IIRC)

Wasn't Canada back then either.

I still have my doubts about Canadian independence.

Dominion of Canada = Canada.

And you have pretty hilarious doubt.

Why are people surprised to learn about contingency plans? The Pentagon draws up contingency plans for everything. Remember, back in the '80s we invaded Grenada. A tiny little island nation in the Carribean. There were not only contingency plans for the invasion, but probably contingency plans for a follow-up if they actually managed to fight off the first wave - a HECK of a lot less likely than needing to restore order in the drug-lord-disordered areas of Mexico.

Personally, I wonder why Mexico (and Columbia, for that matter) gets the blame for not dealing with the drug lords; they are funded from American desire for drugs in the first place.