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Von Skyfury wrote:It's not a question of will he. It's a question of when. =P

Good luck Breotan !
I hope you will enjoy Warmahordes =D

Warmahordes are a great set of games. I'm sure he'll enjoy them. I've only played four game sof Infinity and so far I like it more... but Warmahordes is a close second. Warmahordes is an excellent conventional wargame. Infinity is... something new. Something special.

I generally hate metal. It sucks. Hard to drill it, more difficult to shave off flashing (if any) and don't care nor have I ever understood the "weight issue". I hold the miniature in my hands for 5 seconds while movie it. 99.9% of the time it is sitting on the table. I also find paint bonds better to plastic than metal. I do I like metal bits in some cases, like metal tank barrels on a small scale tank, for instance.

Though, like someone said there is enough detail and the minis are so dynamic conversion work would be very limited to what you can do, if any.

I found Rustoleum Sandable primer really helps with my bonding issue with paint sticking. only real pain the infinity models bring is how delicate and difficult it can be assembling some of the models.

And some times I super glue my fingers to the model.

BlueDagger wrote:

CDK wrote:For me I'd ONLY like the TAG's done in resin. Like I said it's more of a weight issue for me. Has anyone picked up a Caskuda?! It weights more than a baby!

Don't think of it as a downside, think of it as a makeshift weapon. If you in a bind all you need is a sock and a Caskuda.

So what you're saying is it's the last bastion for sock[model]ing?

alright i have to bring this up

in infinity its tag-socking

in 40k it used to dred-socking

is it what i think it is for warnmachine?

Piston Honda wrote:I also find paint bonds better to plastic than metal.

I'm sure some people here will groan at me for bringing this up again, but if you're not doing it, wash the models before priming/painting. Aside from any residual mould release, you handled it all over while building it, so it's covered in your oily fingerprints too.

This tends to improve most problems with paint not sticking and is never a bad thing to do regardless of material. (Unless you use warm water to wash resin, in which case you deserve a slap). If you're going to spend hours painting, why not spend those five minutes making sure you've got the best foundations first?

I'm with Marko on this (and also on the not needing power tools for metal models).

Some common sense is required - but when I look around at tournaments, it's often something I see lacking.

MarcoSkoll wrote:

Breotan wrote:This is exactly my feeling. I love to fiddle and change up stuff but I don't exactly have room to set up power tools and such in my apartment.

Despite what Alpharius said, I have to correct this misconception!.

I think you have another misconception to correct.

Namely, that I said anything along those lines at all!

porkchop806 wrote:alright i have to bring this up

in infinity its tag-socking

in 40k it used to dred-socking

is it what i think it is for warnmachine?

It's called Sock-jacking in WM/H. We flipped it cause we had to be different.

good i saw that going really worng for anyone too walk into the middel of that statement if it were the other way round.

Alpharius wrote:I think you have another misconception to correct.

Yours, apparently! "What Alpharius said" was referring your statement to stop bothering him with discussion of materials, not in relation to properties you'd ascribed to any material.

Infinity's models are too beautiful to convert.

MarcoSkoll wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I think you have another misconception to correct.

Yours, apparently! "What Alpharius said" was referring your statement to stop bothering him with discussion of materials, not in relation to properties you'd ascribed to any material.

OK?

Apparently American English now trumps English English!

It's ironic. One of the things that keeps me out of Warmahordes is how much resin they use. I really don't like working with resin because of how toxic it can be to breath if you do certain things to it. My real gripe with warmahordes is that they charge a ridiculous amount of money for their resin models, and they can easily be cast in someone's basement for pennies worth of material.

@Alpharius: Not exactly sure what you're getting at there, so I'll just smile and nod.

Announcer wrote:It's ironic. One of the things that keeps me out of Warmahordes is how much resin they use. I really don't like working with resin because of how toxic it can be to breath if you do certain things to it. My real gripe with warmahordes is that they charge a ridiculous amount of money for their resin models, and they can easily be cast in someone's basement for pennies worth of material.

?

The only things in Resin are the Behemoth, Bronzeback, Battle Engines, and the upcoming Colossals. Also, the shoulderpads on Bane Thralls.

I think you're confusing PVC plastic models for resin.

No he's not. Most of PP's 'plastic' models are spin-cast resin, that's why there are undercuts on them.

Although 'resin' and 'plastic' in gaming terms are basically different areas on a continuous spectrum of the same material...

LunaHound wrote:Infinity's models are too beautiful to convert.

Except for the catgirl daktari, the uberfailcommandos (for being furries) and the pants-falling-down clockmaker (guess he couldn't find his belt - hence why he's holding them up with one hand while looking at his watch) which are all hideous sculpts.

Well, horses for courses and all that! You've just described some of my favourite models (the Uberfallkommando at least, just putting them together now and they are absolutely stunning little sculpts, regardless of what you might think of the overall aesthetic!)

I don't really like the aesthetics of furries too but I can't say I don't love Überfallkommando. These are simply too awesome.
Although I would not use them if I played Nomads =P

IJW wrote:No he's not. Most of PP's 'plastic' models are spin-cast resin, that's why there are undercuts on them.

No, they're not. They're PVC plastics. You can go on their boards and ask them yourself if you don't believe me, but I can assure you they're not resin.

PVC is NOT the same as the polystyrene that GW uses, it's a much harder material and it will accept undercuts. If you've ever dealt with plastic piping, it's the same material, different formula.

In fact, straight from the horse's mouth months before any of the plastic were released(please note the bolded section):

"Privateer Press Inquiring about Private Label Spray Primer Hello, My name is Rob Hawkins. My company manufactures finely detailed metal and plastic models for strategy games. You can see more information about us and our games at our website www.privateerpress.com Our customers purchase the models, assemble them with super glue, and paint them. Prior to painting, it is necessary to prime the model with a spray primer. The paints used to paint the models are water-based acrylics, and they are painted on by hand with a fine brush. One of our upcoming products is a PVC plastic model kit. Due to the nature of PVC plastic, we need to find a primer that will bond to the plastic. I would like get information and a quote for having a private label primer produced. Some specs about what we are looking for Color Flat black and flat white. Drying Time 10-15 minutes dry to the touch , complete setup within 24 hours. Size 12 oz spray can. Label The label would be printed in 4-color, we will supply the graphics. Quantity We would initially require around 3000 cans of each color . It is important to note that the spray will need to be thin, so that the fine detail of the models is not obscured. I can provide samples of the PVC plastic and an off-the-shelf spray paint as an example that has similar properties to what we are looking for. Thank you, Rob Hawkins, Privateer Press Inc. "

Platuan4th wrote:
No, they're not. They're PVC plastics.

Now try reading the rest of my post...

IJW wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:
No, they're not. They're PVC plastics.

Now try reading the rest of my post...

I did, it had very little bearing on the conversation. PVC =/= resin, they're processed and produced differently. All resins are plastics, but not all plastics are resins.

Actually, IJW is quite right here. Even a brief internet search can tell you that PVC resin is the standard name for raw PVC powder.

The definition of what a resin is varies so much and is so wide that almost any common plastic is valid to be considered a synthetic resin by someone's yardstick. And considering that natural resins could not be considered plastics, it's more true to say the exact inverse of your statement.