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I keep a print of Jean Paul Valley as Batman on the wall in my reading room as a reminder. At the time, I thought AzBats was totally awesome. I still do in a way.
CT GAMER wrote:Was there any doubt a lesbian superhero in a tight outfit would appeal to /boy/preteens/nerds/men in general?
Once again, you ought to read the book. Might be enlightening.
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Red Comet wrote:So what exactly did the New 52 do to the continuity to clean it up?
Nothing.
Red Comet wrote:I've been reading Green Lantern for a while now and its old news for a Green Lantern to be gay considering Kyle Rayner was already gay.
If you're being serious you're also being mistaken.
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I don't know jack about comics, nor does many comments on a political news site ever get me to say WTF, really?
But
WTF, Really?
if only gays would act like every day people! but as a stereo type like so many other stereo types they don't, they do their living best to draw attention to them selves. and now they are smeared all over the TV web news books you name it they out in front and up in every ones face
DoctorZombie wrote:What does it matter if a character is gay?
Because having a world in which there is no such thing as gay people seems a bit odd, especially since many fans are themselves gay. If it doesn't matter, why make a comment? Apparently it does matter.
500 Super Heroes. Everything is ok.
5 Gay ones. Panic and mass chaos ensue.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I think that in some cases the creators have the sexuality of the character in thought when they create it, but they release the character and don't tell anyone so that way the audience will learn to like the character. Then once the character is established they release a bombshell like that.
Think about it; is it easier for an audience to get used to a homosexual character or is it easier to get used to a known character being a homosexual?
An imaginary, and obscure (this ain't one of the popular Green Lanterns), character in the alternate timeline of an endlessly complicated plot line in a dying medium (comics) no less turned out to be gay and somehow this was newsworthy.
Manchu wrote:It first happened in Flash. The Flash is the flagship character of the Silver Age. The idea is that the various Earths vibrate at different "frequencies" of existence. Flash, being super speedy, could apparently travel between the frequencies. The Golden Age superheroes live in Earth 2. It was too good of an idea to just scrap forever. That's what I love about comics. With comics, an idea may not be current but it's never completely gone.
I am utterly incapably of hearing "Flash" and not thinking about this rant.
Spoiler:
Now, I don't know how many of you dogs of the scurviest sea read comics, but I do a big pile of comics. One thing that blows my mind is how completely insane the powers in the DC universe are. Look at Superman. This guy has more powers than French restaurants have ways to say "your taste in wine is atrocious". He has powers to do with every part of his body and then some. He forgets powers sometimes. He can shoot heat rays out of his eyes, frost breath from his mouth and red son radiation from his ass. He's that sort of crazy dude. All because he absorbs solar radiation.
Look at Batman. His power? The anti-power. Sure, he should be some tame, kung fun master of not much, but instead he's the hottest gak to ever gak on a plate. You got a power? He'll find your weakness and give you seizures or heart attacks. He'll light you on fire when you're sleeping or make you recharge your green lantern ring in the power outlet. Ten thousand volts of feth you batman. That's Batman.
But the fething Flash, my god, my fething GOD, this man has the greatest powers of all. If Superman's powers are being sucked off by twin super models and batman coming home to discover your wife is not only bisexual but has two friends she wants you to 'get in on' then the Flash is an orgy with a thousand women who also want to pay your World of Warcraft billing. And click the mouse for you. This man is just that fething hot. They have to power him down in the comics half the time just to keep him from doing everyone else's job.
Ok first off, he can travel at lightspeed. Mother feth! Not only does he travel at lightspeed, but time slows down for him. So he feels like he's having a casual jog or reading the paper, meanwhile, his feet are moving so fast you can hear him coming from Montana while he's already gotten to Arizona. That's fething fast. But wait! The ability to move at Lightspeed just isn't fething enough!
I know! Christ this guy can punch you so many times in a second you've been hit five times in the cock and two times everywhere else. You think you're about to fight the Flash and then it hits you, for the last split second he's beaned your beanbags with more blows than you had sperm. But no, there's more!
The Flash can also vibrate through walls. Now last I heard, you can not move so fast you can vibrate through walls, so what actually happens is the Flash is so fast he can pick and choose the movement of his individual molecules and move them through other solid objects, phasing through solid matter like it ain't no thing. I mean you think a guy who runs at lightspeed would run into gak but no, the Flash just goes right through them. To top that with a cherry and some whipped cream (which the Flash made in like a millisecond, fether) he can selectively choose to cause objects to be "okay" afterwards or fething EXPLODE. That's right. He can run through you and make you blow up by transfering kinetic energy into you. Like Jesus. IT's bad enough you can't hit this guy, but he doesn't even have to punch you. Now your testicles have exploded and you're thinking you're about to hit him. Jesus? Just give it up. He's the fething Flash.
Now imagine that somehow there's someone who can get around the Flash blowing your balls up secret ninja technique. Ok. He can also control the flow of energy between objects. This power makes no sense but basically he can throw a rock at you, and you think it's going slow and then he's like WHOOHOOO WIZARDLY FLASH POWERS and bam it's going at lightspeed. So he can throw seven million rocks at you in a second then make them all goes different speeds thus striking your nads with seven million rocks one after the other.
But wait! There's more! He can also take energy from the very power of speed and make clothes out of it. Yes. Flash makes his pants out of GOES FAST. The man is so fast he can make Flash pants that GOES FAST go right into. I don't even start to understand the physics of that but basically SPEED == REALLY TIGHT UNDERWEAR AND COOL LIGHTNING THINGIES OVER THE EAR. You would think this is the end of it but ok let's say Flash is fighting Superman and gak he's going to lose and feth how is Superman THIS fething strong? I don't know he must be Superman fused with Batman into some sort of guy with tons of plans on how to punch you far harder than anyone else ok to end it off the Flash can GO BACK OR FORWARD IN TIME ON COMMAND.
How do you beat this dude? You're thinking you're hashing him good, laying down the beatdown, missing your balls and suddenly BAM YOUR MOM FELL DOWN THE STAIRS TWENTY YEARS AGO and there's a dent in your forehead and Superman not thunk so gud no more. Actually she didn't fall down the stairs the Flash put speed into them so they fell up her! feth you Flash! You moved the stairs to Soviet fething russia! RUSH-A! Bitch.
Oh, and lastly his greatest power is he isn't fast in bed. He takes it slow and gets all the ladies with his superpowers then actually satisfies them in the sack. Who the Hell is this guy? You'd think he could AT LEAST be a premature ejaculator since his penis is moving at lightspeed but NOOOO he's even good in bed.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Wolverine sucks cock and should go die in a freak greasefire.
My first response to this "outing" is whoopty do. I suppose having gay male super heroes is still a bit "taboo" while having lesbian and bisexual women heroes and villians is not.
I had no idea about Batwoman, I did know about Detective Renee Montoya, and Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy's on again off again relationship.
Again, whoopty do.
I think comic books are the only ongoing character series that change background and history more often than George Lucas and Star Wars. Some old fans leave, some new fans come in.
Some of it in comic books is wholy justified. Change with the times, include characters of ethnicities other than white and prodestant, have characters who are gay. On a religion note, I can not think of any characters where this is regularly referenced other than Harley Quinn being jewish. Perhaps I have not noticed since I don't really keep on it all. And I mean characters besides Battle Pope and his Sidekick Jesus.
sirlynchmob wrote:What if batman & robin just finally came out of the closet?
Considering Robin is Bruce Wayne's son, that may be a little more controversial.
Now you're back up to speed!
Last I knew robin was just his ward, not his son. big difference. and ward just being used as a nice term for the boy batman has living with him that he's totally hooking up with.
The current Robin, AKA Damian Wayne, is the son of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al-Ghul.
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CT GAMER wrote:Was there any doubt a lesbian superhero in a tight outfit would appeal to /boy/preteens/nerds/men in general?
Once again, you ought to read the book. Might be enlightening.
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Red Comet wrote:So what exactly did the New 52 do to the continuity to clean it up?
Nothing.
Red Comet wrote:I've been reading Green Lantern for a while now and its old news for a Green Lantern to be gay considering Kyle Rayner was already gay.
If you're being serious you're also being mistaken.
My bad I had misread what was written on DC wikia I think it was. Its possible the wikia was changed since this was a few weeks ago, but its his assistant who was gay. Epic fail on my part. XD
deathholydeath wrote:These writers obviously don't know what Earth 2 is. It's not the main DCU, it's an alternate dimension. Green Lantern wasn't relaunched, and "the" Green Lantern (whether that's Sinestro or Hal Jordon) isn't gay-- *a* green lantern in the 2nd alternate dimension is gay. And seriously, who cares? Kate Kane (Batwoman) has been a lesbian character for years.
Earth 2 doesn't exist anymore.
All the lines were 're-launched' with new 52, they just weren't rebooted in the same was as, say, the Ultimate Marvel line was a reboot.
In late July, DC released The New 52, a free preview book giving solicitations and previews of all of the new titles launching from August 31. Notable changes shown include Superman's two new looks (one consisting of jeans, a blue t-shirt with the iconic 'S' logo and a cape, and another in battle armor resembling his classic costume), and the introduction of the Wildstorm Universe characters into the DC Universe, with Martian Manhunter as a part of the new Stormwatch team in the relaunched Stormwatch series.[8]
The initial run of first issues show a universe in which superheroes have only appeared within in the past five years, and are viewed with at best, suspicion, and at worst, outright hostility, with Batman pursued by the Gotham police while on the trail of an alien, revealed to be an agent of Darkseid.[9] While running from the police, he teams with Green Lantern.[10] Superman is being hounded by General Sam Lane and Doctor Lex Luthor.[11] Some people, such as the United Nations, seek to exploit the superheroes by putting Booster Gold in charge of the newly-formed Justice League International.[12]
Various other changes have occurred. The Tamaraneans' view of Earth has been changed, while Starfire has had an altered origin and a personality change.[13] In the Batgirl title, Barbara Gordon has recovered from the paralysis inflicted upon her by the Joker's bullet in The Killing Joke, and has returned to fighting crime as Batgirl.[14]
Considering Earth 2 was done away with during Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985, it seems you might be a bit behind on the (Comic) times.
And again, it isn't Hal Jordan, but Alan Scott.
As already noted, Earth 2 does still exist. And yes, the characters were "relaunched"... nine months ago. My point being that it's not like omfgDCrelaunchedGLandhe'stotallygay. Also worth noting that the continuity of many of the titles is almost unchanged, they just cleaned up the clutter. For reference Earth 2, Batman Incorporated, World's Finest, G.I. Combat, Ravagers, and one (?) other title were released to supplant the lowest selling of the new 52 (Mister Terrific, Static Shock, Men of War, some other junk). Which is why you may not have seen them yet.
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Manchu wrote:I keep a print of Jean Paul Valley as Batman on the wall in my reading room as a reminder. At the time, I thought AzBats was totally awesome. I still do in a way.
I loved AzBats. He was much cooler than Dick's small stint as Batman. But Jean Paul was also way better as Azreal. R.I.P. :( And Bruce Wayne will always be the *real* Batman
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Jeez, I don't remember this kinda backlash when Colossus was re-vamped to be gay in Ultimate X-men. There was another case where a major character who was heterosexual in the original storyline was re-vamped to be gay in a second storyline. This storyline sounds like it has even more reason to allow for a character to switch gender preferences (son is gay->too young to have son->he becomes gay in new universe) vs (we need to have a gay character in our new ultimate comics->let's make Colossus gay). Sadly, that IS how it went down at the time (no pun intended). Nightcrawler took it badly, but everyone else just shrugged-Wolverine didn't even get too bothered that Colossus wanted to engage him in a bit of naked wrestling, and most of the fans at the time didn't seem to care either, but now it's news that Green Lantern is gay, and it's creating hysteria? No love for Russians I guess.
And to ruffle some feathers, who the hell believes Kyle Raynor to be gay? He slept with women-unless they were transgender.
And which Robin is Batman's son? Last I checked, Dick Grayson is not his son, Jason Todd was not his son (past tense since he died/came back), and neither is Tim Drake. Yes, the newest Robin was the original Batman's son, until he 'died' and one of the Robins took his place as Batman-Robin is the son of Bruce Wayne, and Batman at the time was Dick, I believe. So...Robin=/=Batman's son. I'm also a firm believer in Batman spreading his seed among condoms inside Lois Lane, Catwoman, Wonder Woman, every high end lady in Gotham, the journalist girl he was seeing (name fails me atm), and many others-condoms meaning Batman didn't have a son-he liked to fool around, never got close enough to become a daddy. Are you telling me the guy who has more gadgets than God hasn't figured out how to pull out?
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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timetowaste85 wrote:Jeez, I don't remember this kinda backlash when Colossus was re-vamped to be gay in Ultimate X-men. There was another case where a major character who was heterosexual in the original storyline was re-vamped to be gay in a second storyline. This storyline sounds like it has even more reason to allow for a character to switch gender preferences (son is gay->too young to have son->he becomes gay in new universe) vs (we need to have a gay character in our new ultimate comics->let's make Colossus gay). Sadly, that IS how it went down at the time (no pun intended). Nightcrawler took it badly, but everyone else just shrugged-Wolverine didn't even get too bothered that Colossus wanted to engage him in a bit of naked wrestling, and most of the fans at the time didn't seem to care either, but now it's news that Green Lantern is gay, and it's creating hysteria? No love for Russians I guess.
And to ruffle some feathers, who the hell believes Kyle Raynor to be gay? He slept with women-unless they were transgender.
And which Robin is Batman's son? Last I checked, Dick Grayson is not his son, Jason Todd was not his son (past tense since he died/came back), and neither is Tim Drake. Yes, the newest Robin was the original Batman's son, until he 'died' and one of the Robins took his place as Batman-Robin is the son of Bruce Wayne, and Batman at the time was Dick, I believe. So...Robin=/=Batman's son. I'm also a firm believer in Batman spreading his seed among condoms inside Lois Lane, Catwoman, Wonder Woman, every high end lady in Gotham, the journalist girl he was seeing (name fails me atm), and many others-condoms meaning Batman didn't have a son-he liked to fool around, never got close enough to become a daddy. Are you telling me the guy who has more gadgets than God hasn't figured out how to pull out?
Bruce Wayne is still Batman. He Russel Crow'd his way through time after being hit by Darkseid's Omega Ray and started Batman Inc. when he resurfaced, then took up the cowl again in Gotham. Damian Wayne is Bruce Wayne's son via Talia Al 'Ghul. Richard Grayson is not Batman, he's back in his Nightwing gig. Jason Todd is alive again and is the Red Hood. Tim Drake is Red Robin and leads the Teen Titans. Stephanie Brown (who was briefly Robin) was Batgirl for a little while in Batman Incorporated before the new 52 brought Barbara Gordon back in that role. Also, in one of the older continuities, Huntress was Batman's daughter via Catwoman. And the reporter's name is Vicki Vale.
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Shadowseer_Kim wrote:. On a religion note, I can not think of any characters where this is regularly referenced other than Harley Quinn being jewish. Perhaps I have not noticed since I don't really keep on it all. And I mean characters besides Battle Pope and his Sidekick Jesus.
.
Wonder Woman.
Aquaman
Hawkman
Ice
Thor.
Hercules
Ragman
Wiccan
Magneto
Seraph
Most of the alien/xenos characters not raised on earth.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Manchu wrote:It first happened in Flash. The Flash is the flagship character of the Silver Age. The idea is that the various Earths vibrate at different "frequencies" of existence. Flash, being super speedy, could apparently travel between the frequencies. The Golden Age superheroes live in Earth 2. It was too good of an idea to just scrap forever. That's what I love about comics. With comics, an idea may not be current but it's never completely gone.
I am utterly incapably of hearing "Flash" and not thinking about this rant.
Spoiler:
Now, I don't know how many of you dogs of the scurviest sea read comics, but I do a big pile of comics. One thing that blows my mind is how completely insane the powers in the DC universe are. Look at Superman. This guy has more powers than French restaurants have ways to say "your taste in wine is atrocious". He has powers to do with every part of his body and then some. He forgets powers sometimes. He can shoot heat rays out of his eyes, frost breath from his mouth and red son radiation from his ass. He's that sort of crazy dude. All because he absorbs solar radiation.
Look at Batman. His power? The anti-power. Sure, he should be some tame, kung fun master of not much, but instead he's the hottest gak to ever gak on a plate. You got a power? He'll find your weakness and give you seizures or heart attacks. He'll light you on fire when you're sleeping or make you recharge your green lantern ring in the power outlet. Ten thousand volts of feth you batman. That's Batman.
But the fething Flash, my god, my fething GOD, this man has the greatest powers of all. If Superman's powers are being sucked off by twin super models and batman coming home to discover your wife is not only bisexual but has two friends she wants you to 'get in on' then the Flash is an orgy with a thousand women who also want to pay your World of Warcraft billing. And click the mouse for you. This man is just that fething hot. They have to power him down in the comics half the time just to keep him from doing everyone else's job.
Ok first off, he can travel at lightspeed. Mother feth! Not only does he travel at lightspeed, but time slows down for him. So he feels like he's having a casual jog or reading the paper, meanwhile, his feet are moving so fast you can hear him coming from Montana while he's already gotten to Arizona. That's fething fast. But wait! The ability to move at Lightspeed just isn't fething enough!
I know! Christ this guy can punch you so many times in a second you've been hit five times in the cock and two times everywhere else. You think you're about to fight the Flash and then it hits you, for the last split second he's beaned your beanbags with more blows than you had sperm. But no, there's more!
The Flash can also vibrate through walls. Now last I heard, you can not move so fast you can vibrate through walls, so what actually happens is the Flash is so fast he can pick and choose the movement of his individual molecules and move them through other solid objects, phasing through solid matter like it ain't no thing. I mean you think a guy who runs at lightspeed would run into gak but no, the Flash just goes right through them. To top that with a cherry and some whipped cream (which the Flash made in like a millisecond, fether) he can selectively choose to cause objects to be "okay" afterwards or fething EXPLODE. That's right. He can run through you and make you blow up by transfering kinetic energy into you. Like Jesus. IT's bad enough you can't hit this guy, but he doesn't even have to punch you. Now your testicles have exploded and you're thinking you're about to hit him. Jesus? Just give it up. He's the fething Flash.
Now imagine that somehow there's someone who can get around the Flash blowing your balls up secret ninja technique. Ok. He can also control the flow of energy between objects. This power makes no sense but basically he can throw a rock at you, and you think it's going slow and then he's like WHOOHOOO WIZARDLY FLASH POWERS and bam it's going at lightspeed. So he can throw seven million rocks at you in a second then make them all goes different speeds thus striking your nads with seven million rocks one after the other.
But wait! There's more! He can also take energy from the very power of speed and make clothes out of it. Yes. Flash makes his pants out of GOES FAST. The man is so fast he can make Flash pants that GOES FAST go right into. I don't even start to understand the physics of that but basically SPEED == REALLY TIGHT UNDERWEAR AND COOL LIGHTNING THINGIES OVER THE EAR. You would think this is the end of it but ok let's say Flash is fighting Superman and gak he's going to lose and feth how is Superman THIS fething strong? I don't know he must be Superman fused with Batman into some sort of guy with tons of plans on how to punch you far harder than anyone else ok to end it off the Flash can GO BACK OR FORWARD IN TIME ON COMMAND.
How do you beat this dude? You're thinking you're hashing him good, laying down the beatdown, missing your balls and suddenly BAM YOUR MOM FELL DOWN THE STAIRS TWENTY YEARS AGO and there's a dent in your forehead and Superman not thunk so gud no more. Actually she didn't fall down the stairs the Flash put speed into them so they fell up her! feth you Flash! You moved the stairs to Soviet fething russia! RUSH-A! Bitch.
Oh, and lastly his greatest power is he isn't fast in bed. He takes it slow and gets all the ladies with his superpowers then actually satisfies them in the sack. Who the Hell is this guy? You'd think he could AT LEAST be a premature ejaculator since his penis is moving at lightspeed but NOOOO he's even good in bed.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Wolverine sucks cock and should go die in a freak greasefire.
That was incredibly funny. Thank you thank you THANK YOU for sharing that. Great way to start my morning off
Dunno, they're not really homophobic so much as, for the most part with a few notable exceptions, they're a bunch of straight white males who don't have THAT good of an idea how to write minorities.
They're getting better at it though.
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I loved AzBats. He was much cooler than Dick's small stint as Batman. But Jean Paul was also way better as Azreal. R.I.P. :( And Bruce Wayne will always be the *real* Batman
