Green Lantern turns gay

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**AustonT**

Least surprising choice in the DC stable.

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Well except Robin

**daedalus**

Shark jumped. Again.

**Ahtman**

It isn't Hal Jordan, but Alan Scott, the Golden Age Green Lantern. Really changes the meaning behind him being vulnerable to wood.

**deathholydeath**

These writers obviously don't know what Earth 2 is. It's not the main DCU, it's an alternate dimension. Green Lantern wasn't relaunched, and "the" Green Lantern (whether that's Sinestro or Hal Jordon) isn't gay-- *a* green lantern in the 2nd alternate dimension is gay.
And seriously, who cares?
Kate Kane (Batwoman) has been a lesbian character for years.

**Ahtman**

deathholydeath wrote:These writers obviously don't know what Earth 2 is. It's not the main DCU, it's an alternate dimension. Green Lantern wasn't relaunched, and "the" Green Lantern (whether that's Sinestro or Hal Jordon) isn't gay-- *a* green lantern in the 2nd alternate dimension is gay.
And seriously, who cares?
Kate Kane (Batwoman) has been a lesbian character for years.

Earth 2 doesn't exist anymore.

All the lines were 're-launched' with new 52, they just weren't rebooted in the same was as, say, the Ultimate Marvel line was a reboot.

In late July, DC released The New 52, a free preview book giving solicitations and previews of all of the new titles launching from August 31. Notable changes shown include Superman's two new looks (one consisting of jeans, a blue t-shirt with the iconic 'S' logo and a cape, and another in battle armor resembling his classic costume), and the introduction of the Wildstorm Universe characters into the DC Universe, with Martian Manhunter as a part of the new Stormwatch team in the relaunched Stormwatch series.[8]

The initial run of first issues show a universe in which superheroes have only appeared within in the past five years, and are viewed with at best, suspicion, and at worst, outright hostility, with Batman pursued by the Gotham police while on the trail of an alien, revealed to be an agent of Darkseid.[9] While running from the police, he teams with Green Lantern.[10] Superman is being hounded by General Sam Lane and Doctor Lex Luthor.[11] Some people, such as the United Nations, seek to exploit the superheroes by putting Booster Gold in charge of the newly-formed Justice League International.[12]

Various other changes have occurred. The Tamaraneans' view of Earth has been changed, while Starfire has had an altered origin and a personality change.[13] In the Batgirl title, Barbara Gordon has recovered from the paralysis inflicted upon her by the Joker's bullet in The Killing Joke, and has returned to fighting crime as Batgirl.[14]

Considering Earth 2 was done away with during Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985, it seems you might be a bit behind on the (Comic) times.

And again, it isn't Hal Jordan, but Alan Scott.

**Bromsy**

My money had been on Aquaman.

**Frazzled**

Bromsy wrote:My money had been on Aquaman.

he was too busy making tuna sandwiches.

**Manchu**

Ahtman wrote:Earth 2 doesn't exist anymore.

Yes it does.

And it is incredibly well drawn.

Ahtman wrote:Considering Earth 2 was done away with during Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985, it seems you might be a bit behind on the (Comic) times.

Oof, sweet irony. Infinite Crisis (2005) undid that part of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

**sirlynchmob**

"In May, Marvel Entertainment said super speedster Northstar will marry his longtime boyfriend in the pages of "Astonishing X-Men." DC comics has other gay characters, too, including Kate Kane, the current Batwoman."

Batwoman

Oh the jokes and puns that come to mind

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They've re written and crapped all over characters and story lines so many times, I've long ago lost interest in comics.
My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?
My guess is that it wouldn't sell very well, so they have to take a character with a well established name and see if that will work.

**Manchu**

Relapse wrote:My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?

They did. Batwoman. It's been a smash hit.

**Relapse**

Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?
They did. Batwoman. It's been a smash hit.

Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.

**Ahtman**

Relapse wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?
They did. Batwoman. It's been a smash hit.

Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.

You're thinking of Batgirl. Batwoman and Batgirl are two different characters.

**Relapse**

Ahtman wrote:
Relapse wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?
They did. Batwoman. It's been a smash hit.

Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.

You're thinking of Batgirl. Batwoman and Batgirl are two different characters.

Nope, Batwoman is a character that got started in the 1950's. Batgirl got started in the 1960's. In any case, D.C. used the Batman brand to make her popular.

**Ahtman**

Manchu wrote:
Ahtman wrote:Earth 2 doesn't exist anymore.
Yes it does.

I got a bunch of the new 52 to read and I don't remember seeing that and I haven't heard anyone talk about it. What was the point in restarting everything and cleaning up continuity just to also, you know, not do that?

Oof, sweet irony. Infinite Crisis (2005) undid that part of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Mea Culpa. I completely forgot about that. This is why I hate DC. Even their attempts at unEDITing their continuity just makes it more complicated.

No.. Batwoman has been around since the 50s.

I thought that was Batgirl. Bleh. I apparetnly can't do anything right today in the DC universe. Let's talk about Marvel instead.

On second thought, let's not lol.

**Cyporiean**

Ahtman wrote:
Relapse wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?
They did. Batwoman. It's been a smash hit.

Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.

You're thinking of Batgirl. Batwoman and Batgirl are two different characters.

No.. Batwoman has been around since the 50s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman

**Manchu**

Relapse wrote:Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.

Sorry but Batwoman hadn't existed as a character since the aforementioned Crisis on Infinite Earths event in1985 (and hadn't even been in a comic book since 1964) -- that is, until the completely new character of Kate Kane was introduced in 2006. So no, I don't think DC was just banking on the popularity of a character nobody had read about for forty two years.

**Relapse**

Ahtman wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Ahtman wrote:Earth 2 doesn't exist anymore.
Yes it does.

And it is incredibly well drawn.

I got a bunch of the new 52 to read and I don't remember seeing that and I haven't heard anyone talk about it. What awas the point in restarting everything and cleaning up continuity just to also, you know, not do that?

Oof, sweet irony. Infinite Crisis (2005) undid that part of Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Mea Culpa. I completely forgot about that. This is why I hate DC. Even their attempts at unfething their continuity just makes it more complicated.

The very reason I gave up on D.C. it would baffle satan to try to keep track of anything these days.

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Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.
Sorry but Batwoman hadn't existed as a character since the aforementioned Crisis on Infinite Earths event in1985 (and hadn't even been in a comic book since 1964) -- that is, until the completely new character of Kate Kane was introduced in 2006. So no, I don't think DC was just banking on the popularity of a character nobody had read about for forty two years.

But they were banknig on the popularity of Batman, as I stated earlier.

**Frazzled**

Wikie says mid 1950s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman

I'm stuck on this Earth 2. Wait I thought that was sci fi show. Shouldn't someone be suing someone. Get me some lawyers...stat!

**Manchu**

Earth 2 was invented back in the sixties to bridge the Golden and Silver Ages.

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Relapse wrote:But they were banknig on the popularity of Batman, as I stated earlier.

I think you ought to read the book before judging. It's not as simple as "oh, it's Bat-something." And if that was DC's pitch ... well, anyway, that's not why the title has been selling so well with such critical acclaim.

**Relapse**

Manchu wrote:Earth 2 was invented back in the sixties to bridge the Golden and Silver Ages.

I don't know how many of those comics I had as a kid. The first time I read about Earth 2 was when the Flash traveled to it to meet his golden age counterpart.

**sirlynchmob**

Relapse wrote:
Manchu wrote:
Relapse wrote:My main question is why not make a gay character from the ground up and see how he/she does?
They did. Batwoman. It's been a smash hit.

Sorry, but Batwoman has been around since the 1950's, at least. Once again, they changed an established character.

What if batman & robin just finally came out of the closet? That's not really changing established characters, is there anyone who doesn't already think of them as gay.

**Manchu**

It first happened in Flash. The Flash is the flagship character of the Silver Age. The idea is that the various Earths vibrate at different "frequencies" of existence. Flash, being super speedy, could apparently travel between the frequencies. The Golden Age superheroes live in Earth 2. It was too good of an idea to just scrap forever. That's what I love about comics. With comics, an idea may not be current but it's never completely gone.

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sirlynchmob wrote:That's not really changing established characters, is there anyone who doesn't already think of them as gay.

Pretty much everyone who writes them.

**Melissia**

The saddest thing about this is that it is considered newsworthy.

**Manchu**

It is newsworthy. Depending on your POV, it could mean that homosexuality is becoming more mainstream or it could mean that "geek culture" is pushing that agenda or it could mean that gayness is good business and all the companies are racing for more gay characters. I personally think it's a little of each.

**Ahtman**

sirlynchmob wrote:What if batman & robin just finally came out of the closet?

Considering Robin is Bruce Wayne's son, that may be a little more controversial.

**Melissia**

Manchu wrote:It is newsworthy. Depending on your POV, it could mean that homosexuality is becoming more mainstream or it could mean that "geek culture" is pushing that agenda or it could mean that gayness is good business and all the companies are racing for more gay characters. I personally think it's a little of each.

I think it's more of the latter myself.

But I was kinda expecting Kyle Rayner, rather than Alan Scott (yes, I know Kyle was involved with Jade).

**Manchu**

Ahtman wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:What if batman & robin just finally came out of the closet?
Considering Robin is Bruce Wayne's son, that may be a little more controversial.

Now you're back up to speed!

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Melissia wrote:But I was kinda expecting Kyle Rayner

Lol, that's true. Like a number of things from the 90s, Kyle does have a kind of closeted gay vibe.

**Melissia**

Man, the 90s, will you ever stop amusing me with your bad-ness?

No, I suspect you will not.