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Mr Hyena wrote:Thank god no one is doing one of those stupid street parties here.
The jubilee is just a giant waste of time and more importantly, taxpayer's money.
Right, im sick of arguing with you unwashed Republican heathens, its time I dropped a logic bomb!
Even if you ignore the fact that millions of British citizens love the Queen, the woman is an integral part of out identity, history and culture, but even ignoring every single good act she has ever done, and ignoring all of the work she does on the nations behalf, even if all of that is put utterly aside and we simply look at it in a financial manner.. Its STILL a gak argument!
The Monarchy run on 0.004% of what we spend on foreign aid, and it currently stands at £32.1m annually.
feth me.. the pubs in London alone will make more than £32 million TODAY!
The monarchy makes the country a fortune. How many millions of people visit the UK and go see a Royal household or pop into Buck Palace? The Scottish tourist board has Balmoral listed as a 5 star location for tourists to visit, so for your fifty pence you probably get about 50,000 tourists a year fething off up to Scotland to check out Balmoral, spending money there (which she pays tax on) spending money in your pubs, cafes, on your buses and trains and in your taxis.
I'm all for a proper debate, but anyone who says the Royals cost us "a fortune" has either a utterly biased political view, or flunked maths at school and knows absolutely feth all about economics. If you think that £32 million a year is loads of money then you need your head read. I bet she pays about 30 million a year in tax with the gate receipts from Buck Palace alone! I mean, what's it to get in there these days? About a tenner?
And whats the alternative, an elected head of state? Some self serving lying, slime ball politician?!
feth me.. would you want a President Blair!? Or a President Cameron? President Miliband!?
You dont become successful in politics unless your a lying sneaky gak bag. Thats how it works. Only the ambitious get to the top, and ambitious politicians will do anything to get the power. By removing amibiton from the Royals, (they are born into it) they dont NEED to lie and cheat and sneak, because they are always there. And I wasnt a massive monarchist until I got to about 26-27 years of age, and actually took an interest in politics and started to really understand how the world works, and then It slapped me in the chops just how fething horrible politicians are.. even the ones I vote for I dont particularly like! The fact is, anyone who should be doing that job doesnt want the job in the first place.
Harry served with me in Afghanistan.. what do you think Blairs kids did? Backdoored into top uni's and then live off Daddys ill gotten gains.
The Queen is worth 50 politicians, and I would support her if she cost us twenty times that amount.
Gawd bless er!
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Mannahnin wrote:Treadhead, if you get BBC America you can watch it live right now. My wife's enjoying it (actually at the moment she's at yoga, but is recording it for when she gets back).
Nice, thanks for reminding me also, BBC is one of the few sites where live feeds will play even over the work block, got it running in the background now.
It's not the same on TV, too impersonal. To feel the press of the crowd, see the horses coming by, to smell the smells... that is what I wish to see, to be there in person. For some reason Great Britain has always fascinated me. One of these days I will get there to see all the things I want to see in person. Maybe I will even figure out why Leeds Castle isn't in Leeds.
If you ever do make it over, bring clothes for every season since our weather likes to keep us on our toes
Also, we ensure that all monuments are as far away as possible from the places/things they are named after to confuse tourists and people who want to buy our bridges to ship over to America
That only happened once, and you were just going to throw it out anyway.
AustonT wrote:I love it when republicans hold up Cromwell as an example. It brings warmth and joy to the cockles of my heart. I don't think they get it though
Yes it was a bad choice of picture but I couldn't find a good instantly recognisable picture of the New Model Army.
Jesus! That's even worse hair than Flock of Seagulls!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Mannahnin wrote:Treadhead, if you get BBC America you can watch it live right now. My wife's enjoying it (actually at the moment she's at yoga, but is recording it for when she gets back).
Nice, thanks for reminding me also, BBC is one of the few sites where live feeds will play even over the work block, got it running in the background now.
It's not the same on TV, too impersonal. To feel the press of the crowd, see the horses coming by, to smell the smells... that is what I wish to see, to be there in person. For some reason Great Britain has always fascinated me..
Fundamentally I would rather be a citizen than a subject. There would be nothing to say that a president would have supreme power, we could treat it as we currently do the monarchy. So why not Tony Benn for president or one of the other, admittedly few, decent politicians around. It need not hold any more power than the speaker of the house. The monarch herself isn't entirely good either, but still I don't mind her per se, although the idea of Charlie getting in fills me with dread.
Fundamentally I would rather be a citizen than a subject. There would be nothing to say that a president would have supreme power, we could treat it as we currently do the monarchy. So why not Tony Benn for president or one of the other, admittedly few, decent politicians around. It need not hold any more power than the speaker of the house. The monarch herself isn't entirely good either, but still I don't mind her per se, although the idea of Charlie getting in fills me with dread.
Graham Smith via CNN wrote:After 60 years who can quote a famous speech or point to a moment of crisis or celebration when the queen offered leadership and inspiration?
Mr Hyena wrote:Thank god no one is doing one of those stupid street parties here.
The jubilee is just a giant waste of time and more importantly, taxpayer's money.
Right, im sick of arguing with you unwashed Republican heathens, its time I dropped a logic bomb! ]
How about a counter strike?
The UK is a democracy, or at least we act like we are. How can a hereditary monarch be the head of a democratic country? Yes her political power is effectively non existent (even if she does sign acts of parliment into law) but none the less the existence of such an instiution rather tarnishes those occasions when we 'defend democracy'.
I was listening to a programme on radio 4 a couple of weeks ago that said that 25% of the population is republican, 25% is monarchist and 50% don't care, I would be willing to bet that as time goes on those numbers will swing to the republican side.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
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Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Lord Bingo wrote:
You do realize mate that we are citizens, not subjects.
We have a monarchy, therefore are citizens in name alone.
Not true, the British Nationality Act 1981 says that we are citizens, not subjects. So its more than just words. However I will agree that in time we will have to have a look at the monarchy and decide whether it will continue. One method is just have a referendum when a monarch dies, it'll give the republicans there democracy, and it will show how the public still overwhelmingly support the monarchy.
Illeix wrote:The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer sheilds or sparkle lasers.
@Palindrome - I and most of the people I know would be in the 50% however if you said to me lets have a vote on the idea of keeping the monarcy or having a voted in public official or president I am quite confidant that most would vote to keep the Monarchy.
Hell just look at Australia for a case of the 'don't care' highier percentage of the population crushing the republican dream and thats from a country that was expecting a high percentage to back the founding of a republic.
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Lord Bingo wrote:
Not true, the British Nationality Act 1981 says that we are citizens, not subjects. So its more than just words. However I will agree that in time we will have to have a look at the monarchy and decide whether it will continue. One method is just have a referendum when a monarch dies, it'll give the republicans there democracy, and it will show how the public still overwhelmingly support the monarchy.
Bolded the bits which don't make sense when put together. Because an act says we are called one thing doesn't make it more than words, it makes it that and that alone. You could pass an act saying all Scottish people would be now called Northern English, they would still be Scottish.
As to people overwhelmingly supporting the monarchy...
Palindrome wrote:I was listening to a programme on radio 4 a couple of weeks ago that said that 25% of the population is republican, 25% is monarchist and 50% don't care, I would be willing to bet that as time goes on those numbers will swing to the republican side.
Lord Bingo wrote:
Not true, the British Nationality Act 1981 says that we are citizens, not subjects. So its more than just words. However I will agree that in time we will have to have a look at the monarchy and decide whether it will continue. One method is just have a referendum when a monarch dies, it'll give the republicans there democracy, and it will show how the public still overwhelmingly support the monarchy.
Bolded the bits which don't make sense when put together. Because an act says we are called one thing doesn't make it more than words, it makes it that and that alone. You could pass an act saying all Scottish people would be now called Northern English, they would still be Scottish.
As to people overwhelmingly supporting the monarchy...
Palindrome wrote:I was listening to a programme on radio 4 a couple of weeks ago that said that 25% of the population is republican, 25% is monarchist and 50% don't care, I would be willing to bet that as time goes on those numbers will swing to the republican side.
When you get down to it though, all laws are just words. Also that poll doesn't seem even remotely correct.
"Eight in ten (80%) British adults favour Britain remaining a monarchy compared to 13% that want to see it becoming a republic."
Well, there were apparently about 100 anti-monarchy protesters outside city hall in london compared to quite a number of thousand lining the river with flags
Regardless, I can't believe that it took 2 years to plan some boats to driving upthe river. Extremely boring.
Would much rather have had the queen driven around surrounded by redcoats in hats or something. A big street parade with fire breathers and so on in front and behind
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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Yeah give me an over privileged OAP over a politician, he'll an OAP chosen at random over a politician will do me.
When the best you can offer as a good replacement Head of State is Tony fething Benn I have to consider how much the republican supporters have though this one threw!
I saw that bunch of republicans in the rain in London and had to laugh. They look like a buch of wargamers heading to a convention with their combination of Ill chosen and fitting clothes and odd hats; all looking far too serious when all around them were partying. It pleases me that the Queen got God to rain on the fethers.
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treadhead1944 wrote:As a Yank, I would love to see the pomp and circumstance involved in a Jubilee. I find it interesting that all the inbreeding in the monarchy has created such long lived queens. Elizabeth II is about to outpace Victoria for longest reign...
That's the only thing I care about when it comes to the monarchy over there, Elizabeth II could win at being queen. Although if she lived to be 100 that would mean the next monarch would be what, 80 or so?
I can explain why people protesting (republicans) outnumbered those showing their support (normal people)
It is because people who are minorities (politically) are usually the people who are wrong and over opinionated and most importantly stupid. so they turn up in "mass" (which is still less that the other side) people who are normal and intelligent just don't bother as they have jobs/more important things to do.
Furthermore consider the people who put decorations out and stuff at home and compare that to the people who protested.
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The police arrested them even though they committed no crime perhaps?
What, 20 people? Out of perhaps the 100 protesters. For the moment republicanism is a fringe element at best. Might change in the next 50 years who knows, but the whole time Queen Elizabeth II is around, Republicanism will remain nothing more than a sideshow. (may change under Charles)
Illeix wrote:The Eldar get no attention because the average male does not like confetti blasters, shimmer sheilds or sparkle lasers.
I believe the U.K is technically deemed a "constitutional monarchy" which is a type of representative democracy. That would make citizens and not subjects, although it doesn't help that a large group of people send the royal family gifts one day every year.
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