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You know that 13,000 years ago one of your ancestors killed one of mine and stole his cave! Now I am afraid that I am going to have to hate you forever!
The miners unions did more than their fair share to get the mines closed and to pretend otherwise is the worst example of head in the sand I've come across in a while.
As for the language? Languages die all the time. Most of the languages in england have died out completely. If you want to preserve Welsh, no one is stopping you. Hell, we subsidise the Welsh and the Scots in their hatred of the English so knock yourselves out forcing children to learn a pointless dead language spoken nowhere other than wales (and from what I understand in part of South America where more people spoke it at one time than in Wales).
We're all very sorry that X years ago Y happened. Now let's all move on with our lives.
Bongo_clive wrote:
The English have done nothing but loot Wales for 1000 years, and you celebrate the fact? Her ancestors slaughtered ours, and you celebrate it? They did everything they could to wipe out the Welsh language, and you celebrate them? They tried to tear the heart and soul out of Wales, and you wave a flag in joy? Strange.
And before you harp on about ancient history, the language was almost illegal only a few decades ago, that bitch Thatcher closed the mines in the 80's, and homes are still being bought by the English for holidays, pricing locals out of the market. Anne Robinson can get up on TV and racially slur the entire country and get a slap on the wrist?
But this does tie in nicely to my previous point, why on earth people feel the need to celebrate quite so vigorously the life of someone who did nothing to get there. She was just born.
I am not questioning your sense of pride, that is a very subjective term, but I am questioning your grasp on history and politics.
I will leave you with the words of Phil Bennett circa 1977
"Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and only live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English – and that's who you are playing this afternoon."
That is one of the most overtly bigoted, ignorant and xenophobic posts I have ever had the misfortune to read. I am only glad that the vast majority of people don't get raised on a diet of hatred, bitterness and bile and think like you do.
Your comments about Ann Robinson.. it's utterly laughable. What the hell should have happened to her for an unfunny quip anyway!? Stoned to death? Its like you think that there is a huge conspiracy on behalf of "The English" to crush your race. And you mock others for their grasp of history and politics?!
Exactly what is "The English" anyway, the people that have done all this raping? Who are they? You mean the 60 million people that have ancestry from all over Europe? What sins have any of the living people in England commited? 75% of them have Welsh/Scottish/Irish ancestry anyway. The problem with your attitude (best summarised by Rogal Dorn in "The Dark King audio drama! ) is that it literally never ends. Do you want to just pass your abject loathing onto your kids?
Your entire post was ridiculous, like it was ripped straight off the recruiting manual for some bizarre ultra-right Welsh nationalist group, and it has little basis in reality. In fact, It read like something I read in Afghanistan that the Taliban were posting through peoples doors, but you replaced "American Dogs" with "The English"
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
SilverMK2 wrote:
The miners unions did more than their fair share to get the mines closed and to pretend otherwise is the worst example of head in the sand I've come across in a while.
I lean more to the left than a man whose had his left leg blown off*, but even I have to admit the unions forced the hand of the milksnatcher.
Great, now I feel dirty and need to scrub myself.
*plagiarised from the great Charlie Brooker
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dæl wrote:Yes, from 1900-2000 we, set up the Welfare State
Hate it. Costs us a fortune, makes people addicted to wellfare, fat chavs who never work from cradle to grave.
You wouldn't argue there is some need for a welfare state Matty? Yes it is badly organised at the moment, and I think the social problems run deeper with a growing underclass that bottom-feeds off the state, but having lived in countries with no welfare state (and especially health system) I'm glad we have it. The press never focuses on it, but there are genuine circumstances when people need that safety net.
Incidentally (and I'm not sure whether this is worthy of a new thread) but who do people think should be the next Monarch when the old dear pops her clogs? I read somewhere that Charles has only about 30% in favour of him becoming King, and from a few Royal 'insiders' who reckoned that the next 100 years of the Monarch would be assured with a younger and more popular King like William (should the royal line skip a generation and Charles abdicate?)
Personally I would be in favour of the latter, far too many "I hope I can be re-incarnated as your tampon"-type comments from Charles, and I'm not sure if anyone of my generation will ever forgive him for the way he carried on with Diana. But, what do people feel about this?
Yes of course I do mate, a happy medium and all that, but its far too complex a debate to have on here. I think I best saw it summarized by an Asian man on the big debate on TV.
"The safety net has become a fishing net!"
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dæl wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
The miners unions did more than their fair share to get the mines closed and to pretend otherwise is the worst example of head in the sand I've come across in a while.
I lean more to the left than a man whose had his left leg blown off, but even I have to admit the unions forced the hand of the milksnatcher.
Great, now I feel dirty and need to scrub myself.
Indeed, our bigoted friend there makes you look like Rupert Murdoch.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Bongo_clive wrote:...and homes are still being bought by the English...
This is happening in Sheffield too. Getting on the property ladder is hard, everywhere.
Regarding the welfare state. I came a cropper on my bike yesterday. I spent yesterday evening in A&E and I'll be in fracture clinic on Monday morning. I'm glad that's there.
Bongo_clive wrote:
I will leave you with the words of Phil Bennett circa 1977
"Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and only live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English – and that's who you are playing this afternoon."
I'm part Welsh part English. Does that mean I should hate part of myself?
I don't see how hate and division can be a progressive policy in this day and age.
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Phil Bennett via Bongo_Clive wrote:Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and only live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us?
SDFarsight wrote:"Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and only live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us?
Bongo_clive wrote:
The English have done nothing but loot Wales for 1000 years, and you celebrate the fact?
Just in case you are wondering how inaccurate that it is:
In 1012 The English or more properly the Anglo-Saxons were more concerned with invasion from France, Norway,and Denmark as the Norse systematically ripped the heart and soul out of the Angland (spelling intentional). Whilst they destroyed the original English language, culture, and laws in the 11th century your language survives as a living spoken language today. I suppose claiming the English ( a dubious racial and cultural description to begin with) have been looting Wales for 700 years doesn't have the same effect; even when it's just as false.
Her ancestors slaughtered ours, and you celebrate it? They did everything they could to wipe out the Welsh language, and you celebrate them?
I suppose you should be happy you aren't Cornish.
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Bongo_clive wrote:I will leave you with the words of Phil Bennett circa 1977.
Phil Bennett wrote:"I play Rugby, who give two gaks what I think about England and Wales after my athletic career I didn't do a thing about it."
George Spiggott wrote:Fixed now.
I do like me some Welsh kings. Much better than the German lot we've got now.
If there was a Welsh king or queen on the throne you'd say you preferred zie Germans.
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Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
purplefood wrote:We allknew this day would come...
I was pretty sure Stephen Fry was two things:
Already a Queen :BAM!
and
A republican.
Probably, though if any country could have a republican monarch it'd be Britain...
Dakka Bingo! By Ouze "You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry.
And the Welsh who think you're being excessive/silly?
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
I would respond with lol at all the Welsh, but you might lump me in with Anne Robinson.
Well, you finally got a laugh out of me mate.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
You're right, I should be more sober and understanding.
Let me first say I shall stop using the emotive language, it's obviously raising some heckles.
Secondly, my grasp of history is quite sound, as I am an archaeologist.
It's sad that just because some languages die out, you seem to think it's OK, especially when the English did everything they could do stamp it out. My teachers gre up in a world where if they spoke Welsh in school, they were caned (and there is no doubt their intolerance of this practice and the mentality behind has rubbed off on me)
And if we're being pedantic, England is full of Scandinavians and Norsemen, the last groups that successfully invaded the British Isles, and the only true British can be found in Wales and Cornwall. This much is true (and why I chortle when the BNP start blathering on).
But once William had sorted out England, he turned his attention to Wales, and from that day forward England has taken, taken taken, and never charitably given anything in return. The same happened in India, Ghana, Canada etc. Seriously, without getting all worked up, tell me what England has given any of those countries? The standard answer in 'Civilization', but did anyone ever ask for that? Never. Those indigenous people never asked to work for England, learn its religion and culture, or fight in its wars.
It's called colonialism or Imperialism, and the crucial element is that the people who are doing the colonising, think they're doing a good thing. (See USA foreign policy since 1941)
I am not bitter or downhearted, as this is the reaction the English always present in this argument, as I'm sure they do when presented with arguments about the colonisation of Ghana, India, Canada, Australia, Ireland and Scotland. I'm sorry I got flippant, I should not have done that, but the blinkered view of the English has become tiresome
PS Thatcher forgot the one principle that all politicians should have tattooed to their forehead. "Government for the people". She closed those mines because they weren't making much money, but that shouldn't matter, they were providing money for whole communities, keeping people off the dole, giving them dignity and pride. She took all that way to make more money for someone. Sickening
filbert wrote:If you are seriously a history teacher then I despair for your students...
I believe that he is an archaeologist rather than a teacher. However I would tend to agree with you...
Remedial reading comprehension for me then. Still, the point stands - claiming to have a good grasp of history and then writing the drivel that followed that does not compute.
Secondly, my grasp of history is quite sound, as I am an archaeologist.
One does not equal the other, as the rest of your post is ample evidence.
It's sad that just because some languages die out, you seem to think it's OK, especially when the English did everything they could do stamp it out. My teachers gre up in a world where if they spoke Welsh in school, they were caned (and there is no doubt their intolerance of this practice and the mentality behind has rubbed off on me)
In this alternative universe where "your teachers" grew up did they not have BBC Cymru or S4C and in this alternative universe had they not been broadcasting at least some Welsh content on BBC Radio since the 1930's? Perhaps they were caned for being obnoxious little gaks rather than speaking Welsh, as all the obnoxious little gaks that thought they could pull a fast one in Dutch on our teacher had red asses just like baboons which it seems was unrelated to the language.
WHILE we're being pedantic, England is full of Scandinavians and Norsemen, the last groups that successfully invaded the British Isles, and the only true British can be found in Wales and Cornwall.
Yes while you are being pedantic a young lady would like to tell you something about being British.
"What an amazing thing is our United Kingdom. Here we have the Welsh, the English, the Scots and the people of Ulster, each proud of their origin and concerned for their posterity; each regarding themselves, in some ways, as a separate cultural entity, but all combining to form a British nation with a British patriotism."
You should consider being British in addition to coming up with alternative history.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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