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Flashman wrote:Another current example albeit from earlier times... the Skaven Doomwheel is basically a giant hamster wheel

Didn't they pretty much try to kill the Doomwheel off for a codex or two, then brought it back because people kept asking?

And so it has returned, abd wonderfully so too.

Sidstyler wrote:

TedNugent wrote:Read the Ork Codex.

Which is one book, when the argument is that GW used to have humor like that strewn about in all of their books. Your point?

Meaning, if you find that -one- book funny, it would be evidence that shows that GW have not -lost- their sense of humor, but that they have instead chosen not to use that sense of humor in their other books.

You'll find jokes in darker films, sometimes funny jokes - sometimes even in tragedies, there will be a character that will add levity. These are called comic relief, and they are a literary device to add levity to an otherwise tragic or damning story, or in this case universe.

I would argue that the Ork 'dex and the Ork race in general is that comic relief "character" in the 40k universe that staves off the otherwise damning impact of the surrounding grimdark.

I agree fully with OP, what exist now is only a small fragment of what used to exist.

However, there may be hope on the horizon, whith the inclusion of Jokaero, and the return of the ratwh .... sorry, Doomwheel
... It may yet return to its roots, ....

Am I the only one who believes Trazyn is a 40k player in the universe of 40k?

Seriously, think about it. He recreates battles as he sees fit by posing people in a frozen state to make it appear as if they're fighting a war. What the heck do we do when we model our troops?

The DE do that too, in one of their realms in the dex.

Maybe they're playing a king-sized game of 40K by email..

TedNugent wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

TedNugent wrote:Read the Ork Codex.

Which is one book, when the argument is that GW used to have humor like that strewn about in all of their books. Your point?

Meaning, if you find that -one- book funny, it would be evidence that shows that GW have not -lost- their sense of humor, but that they have instead chosen not to use that sense of humor in their other books.

You'll find jokes in darker films, sometimes funny jokes - sometimes even in tragedies, there will be a character that will add levity. These are called comic relief, and they are a literary device to add levity to an otherwise tragic or damning story, or in this case universe.

I would argue that the Ork 'dex and the Ork race in general is that comic relief "character" in the 40k universe that staves off the otherwise damning impact of the surrounding grimdark.

But, see, when the question is whether or not GW, on the cusp of 6th edition, have lost their sense of humor, your argument that they had one in 4th edition is invalid. The Ork Codex clearly contains humor. What it does not contain, however, is any evidence whatsoever that GW currently has a sense of humor.

So stop bringing it up.

Tiina Brown wrote:I agree fully with OP, what exist now is only a small fragment of what used to exist.

However, there may be hope on the horizon, whith the inclusion of Jokaero, and the return of the ratwh .... sorry, Doomwheel
... It may yet return to its roots, ....

I think it's okay that it doesn't have anywhere near as much humor as it did originally. We've still got this dark and satirical sense of humor in the setting, but not so much that it makes it hard to tell a serious story. While many of the codex fluff entries are pretty much the plots of old war movies or historical events and myths, novels like Know No Fear and the Night Lords trilogy wouldn't work in a really silly setting. I think there's enough irony and humor in the setting right now, give or take a little. We don't really need a return to RT levels of silliness and pop culture references that will be outdated in a year. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, I just like the level of humor and melodrama we have 40k now.

Brother SRM wrote:

Tiina Brown wrote:I agree fully with OP, what exist now is only a small fragment of what used to exist.

However, there may be hope on the horizon, whith the inclusion of Jokaero, and the return of the ratwh .... sorry, Doomwheel
... It may yet return to its roots, ....

I think it's okay that it doesn't have anywhere near as much humor as it did originally. We've still got this dark and satirical sense of humor in the setting, but not so much that it makes it hard to tell a serious story. While many of the codex fluff entries are pretty much the plots of old war movies or historical events and myths, novels like Know No Fear and the Night Lords trilogy wouldn't work in a really silly setting. I think there's enough irony and humor in the setting right now, give or take a little. We don't really need a return to RT levels of silliness and pop culture references that will be outdated in a year. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, I just like the level of humor and melodrama we have 40k now.

Although you should note that was in the early GW books (back before Black Library). Yes, there was the odd tongue-in-cheek reference in the books, but even the very early novels (the likes of Space Marine and Drachenfels) didn't take that kind of route and are just as 'serious' as modern books. Space Marine was written by a Hugo Award winner, Ian Watson, and to most people stands up well to anything to come out of Black Library more recently.

Pacific wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Tiina Brown wrote:I agree fully with OP, what exist now is only a small fragment of what used to exist.

However, there may be hope on the horizon, whith the inclusion of Jokaero, and the return of the ratwh .... sorry, Doomwheel
... It may yet return to its roots, ....

I think it's okay that it doesn't have anywhere near as much humor as it did originally. We've still got this dark and satirical sense of humor in the setting, but not so much that it makes it hard to tell a serious story. While many of the codex fluff entries are pretty much the plots of old war movies or historical events and myths, novels like Know No Fear and the Night Lords trilogy wouldn't work in a really silly setting. I think there's enough irony and humor in the setting right now, give or take a little. We don't really need a return to RT levels of silliness and pop culture references that will be outdated in a year. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, I just like the level of humor and melodrama we have 40k now.

Although you should note that was in the early GW books (back before Black Library). Yes, there was the odd tongue-in-cheek reference in the books, but even the very early novels (the likes of Space Marine and Drachenfels) didn't take that kind of route and are just as 'serious' as modern books. Space Marine was written by a Hugo Award winner, Ian Watson, and to most people stands up well to anything to come out of Black Library more recently.

Same with the Genevieve books with its blatant Dirty Harry and Dirty Dozen ahem, homages aside, do still stand up well to the current releases.