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Yeah, thats the difficult part.

Not to mention my shock when Beast 9 one shotted the Avatar on a feat turn(double damage, WTF?)

A couple of more questions:

What is your typical points game? 35? 50? When playing doubles or with four people, does everyone just make their own lists then combine them as teams or is there some other method or everyone for themselves? (if there are 3 of us)

Is taking an overseer and blackclad wayfarer with a unit of druids too much? Would it be better to take one or the other and spend the 2 points on something else? I am sure it will depend on what else is in the force.

Is a minimal unit of 3 skinwalkers worth it? At 25 points, I was thinking about dropping them to 3 to fit in stones w/ UA and a stalker.

Kaya
feral
stalker
argus
stones w/ UA
min skinwalkers

I guess my next purchase will be another warpwolf, stones, and keeper. I still plan on getting druids, overseer, and blackclad along with Kromac; but don't know how to fit them into games under 25 points.

Also, I am curious about anyone's experience with bloodtrackers or the reeve hunter with a war wolf?

I guess I should also ask if eThagrosh would fit with the Legion other half of the 2-player box since that is an awesome model and one I would like to get?

boogeyman wrote:A couple of more questions:

What is your typical points game? 35? 50?

Yes.

It depends on your area. Both are common in the US, and I hear 35 is the most common in Britain.

boogeyman wrote:When playing doubles or with four people, does everyone just make their own lists then combine them as teams or is there some other method or everyone for themselves? (if there are 3 of us)

You can do either. Certain scenarios actually tell you if they're more than non-team 2+ compatible, in which case, you do equal sized deployment zones equidistant apart, every player for themself.

boogeyman wrote:Is taking an overseer and blackclad wayfarer with a unit of druids too much? Would it be better to take one or the other and spend the 2 points on something else? I am sure it will depend on what else is in the force.

It depends on what you're taking. Remember, the Wayfarer is a solo, not a UA/WA, so no need to keep them together. They also do different things. The Wayfarer is beast and army support, whilst the unit and overseer provide you with a magical ranged unit.

I'll let someone else address the rest, as I'm only familiar with what my friend has for her Circle.

I switched from 40k to WM/H and really haven't looked backed. Although doesn't mean I wouldn't play a game or two if given the offer.

For WM/H I think the biggest challenge of this game is learning all the little quirks, skills and abilities within your army. This will be the biggest adjustment, as your units have many more abilites than your average 40k unit. I still find myself looking at the cards to make sure I haven't messed myself over by missing a skill or ability.

But once you have the rule set down the games speed up a lot. I can talk my son through a game as he's just learning WM right now we were able to complete a normal kill box scenario in about 2 hrs at 50 pts each, and about 45 min with 15 pts. He's really aggressive though he just wants to attack lol.

Whatever you choose to do I hope you enjoy your time playing WM/H. Good luck

Your listed purchases are a greater starting point. Id highly suggest making a Gorax high priority, as well as the ghetorix kit, and possibly a third warpwolf to go with it.

The Gorax is a toolbox that you almost always want to have when you bring living warbeasts. It's animus pushes your beasts over the top when you absolutely have to kill something, it's cheap, its got free special attacks when damaged, and its cheap. Definitely better then an Argus. A druid wilder would be another good choice to swap with your current list of cheap units.

When he comes out grab the Winter Argus.

The twin freezing sprays can be worth their weight in gold. And any Animus that can boost your warlock's armor never hurts. Not to mention two chances to freeze something long enough for somebody bigger but slower to catch up and play "Hulk SMASH!".

Perhaps if you're a casual player. If you want to get the 'good' stuff then the winter argus is something to avoid.

Negator80 wrote:Perhaps if you're a casual player. If you want to get the 'good' stuff then the winter argus is something to avoid.

Eh? Given how Fury works, a nearly guaranteed Stationary (44.4% on each spray, disregarding the fact that several of those will miss) against an important enemy model is golden, and Hordes in general lacks effective armor buffs. Throw it all on an extremely fast light warbeast that can double as a slam missile and it's easily worth the points.

Laughing Man wrote:

Negator80 wrote:Perhaps if you're a casual player. If you want to get the 'good' stuff then the winter argus is something to avoid.

Eh? Given how Fury works, a nearly guaranteed Stationary (44.4% on each spray, disregarding the fact that several of those will miss) against an important enemy model is golden, and Hordes in general lacks effective armor buffs. Throw it all on an extremely fast light warbeast that can double as a slam missile and it's easily worth the points.

Don't you know that internet wisdom is 100% correct 10,000% of the time?

No matter how many times my friend wins thanks to standard Argii Doppler barking the opposing caster/lock, that will never change the fact that they suck.

Besides, any time you get two good ranged attacks and two initial melee on a 5 point model you win. It's why I loves me my Winter Argus and Minutemen.

Thanks for the advice, keep it coming.

I wish I had the money to buy everything I wanted. (I'm sure everyone wished the same ) I need to start making a list of essential models I want to get and plan accordingly. As to the winter argus, it will be a moot point anyway since it comes in the 2-player box that I plan on getting.

The Wish List

Casters:
pKaya (comes in 2-player box)
Kromac (definitely want to try)
eKaya (tier lists match my favorite models the most)
Grayle (cool model)

Beasts:
Feral (comes in 2-player box)
Stalker (seems cool and useful)
Pureblood (classic model is awesome and like the idea of a force of mainly spray attacks)
Gorax (cool animus and model)
Argus (cool model and animus, comes in 2-player box)
Winter Argus (comes in 2-player box)
Gnarlhorn Satyr (cool model)
the rest

Units:
Druids w/ UA (cool models and useful)
Shifting stones w/ UA (useful)
Skinwalkers (cool models and come in 2-player box)
Bloodtrackers w/ UA (cool models and seem useful)
the rest

Solos:
Blackclad (cool model and useful)
Lord of the Feast (useful)
Morraig (cool model)
War Wolf (cool model)
the rest

Legion
eThagrosh

Sorry, I already have a list on the first page, but was writing it again for my own reference. The bold faced models are going to run another $140-150. (or more at full price)
Decisions, decisions, decisions???...

Edited because I forgot Nuala. Thanks Blaque.

I think that's a farily good wishlist to start with. To add to anything, I would note the Bloodtracker UA is pretty awesome as well.

And sutff.

I am debating whether to buy Kromac, a stalker, and a gorax to get started while I wait for the 2-player box. Those 3 only give me a 10 point list though. What would you recommend for the other 5 points? I would prefer to go cheap and stay within the bold wishlist, but if there is enough reason to get something else (maybe LotF and a war wolf) I could be convinced.

Lord of the feast and swamp gobbers bellows crew would probably be a better choice. than lotf and a wolf. You'll be sorely lacking ranged attacks so blocking los with a big cloud could be very useful.
In fact, as little synergy as they have with Kromac, a woldwyrd or woldwatcher could be worthwhile for a little ranged support while providing another source of fury.

Thanks, not a big fan of those models, but I will keep an open mind.

I guess I should ask about the Legion side of the 2-player box. I was thinking about picking up an eThag and a shepard (cool model and seems useful) to field a 15 pt list like this:

eThagrosh
Carnivean
3x shredders
shepard

I'm also a fan of the ravagore, raek, and warmonger models.

Any other suggestions for legion?

I personally would not encourage going into solos early on, actually. I think that things get really pear-shaped when you do stuff with less than 15pts with support. The game Ithink works best with just beasts at that level.

That being said, Thagrosh2, a Scythean or Typhon might do ya well I think.

And stuff.

Spyder68 wrote:Guessing by your Sig. Your from GW games.

Pro's
Rules mean what they say

Every army is competetive (not necessarily every caster but more then half for each faction)

Cheaper to get into and try.. Start with a battlebox army for like $50 find somone to play a battlebox game with and see if you like it.

Cons.. Easy to get sucked into a faction.. yea i can do 2x 25 pts lists and call it good.. but im on my way to owning the entire Menoth Range.

Yep. I started off fairly modest for Trollbloods. I now own just about everything they have (including really bad stuff like Winter Trolls!!).