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REPLY FROM DAD:

First off, let me clarify. I never said my son was gay, let's get that clear! I said the word "Fluff" sounded gay, I wish they used a better war-like word like "Gruff", "Grime", or even something like "Mush". Fluff just makes me think of bunnies and rainbows versus chainswords and plasma weapons.

Second, I have been strongly pushing the fact that he has 3 incomplete armies. His Tau army was began nearly 2 years ago and has yet to be completed. With everything he has assembled it would be short work to finish painting them. Also, his Tau forces are, what I would rate, on the small side (maybe 600 points, I think). We have had a small debate about what a reasonable point size is as well, I think a 1000pts is a minimum to call it an army, anything less is a collection of units. Now, he has been distracted from his Tau by the Death Korps and the recent acquisition of some Orks. I have two problems with this; he should be building up his Tau army to a massive force of destruction that is completely assembled, painted, and completely battle ready (1500pts+). My other issue is that I think he should be more dedicated to the race he has chosen. I relate his choice to flip-flop between armies as being Christian on the weekend, Muslim Mon-Wed, and Buddhist Thurs-Fri. I think he should be true to his Tau and reject the Orks with as much vigor as the "Fluff" would backup. If you choose to be Tau... Be Tau! I have no problem with someone choosing to begin a new army after they have put in the hours of dedication to their forces and have amasses a sizable army. But to turn your back on your people and consort with the enemy... I say "Heresy!"

-Dad

Aydrin wrote:REPLY FROM DAD:

First off, let me clarify. I never said my son was gay, let's get that clear! I said the word "Fluff" sounded gay, I wish they used a better war-like word like "Gruff", "Grime", or even something like "Mush". Fluff just makes me think of bunnies and rainbows versus chainswords and plasma weapons.

Second, I have been strongly pushing the fact that he has 3 incomplete armies. His Tau army was began nearly 2 years ago and has yet to be completed. With everything he has assembled it would be short work to finish painting them. Also, his Tau forces are, what I would rate, on the small side (maybe 600 points, I think). We have had a small debate about what a reasonable point size is as well, I think a 1000pts is a minimum to call it an army, anything less is a collection of units. Now, he has been distracted from his Tau by the Death Korps and the recent acquisition of some Orks. I have two problems with this; he should be building up his Tau army to a massive force of destruction that is completely assembled, painted, and completely battle ready (1500pts+). My other issue is that I think he should be more dedicated to the race he has chosen. I relate his choice to flip-flop between armies as being Christian on the weekend, Muslim Mon-Wed, and Buddhist Thurs-Fri. I think he should be true to his Tau and reject the Orks with as much vigor as the "Fluff" would backup. If you choose to be Tau... Be Tau! I have no problem with someone choosing to begin a new army after they have put in the hours of dedication to their forces and have amasses a sizable army. But to turn your back on your people and consort with the enemy... I say "Heresy!"

-Dad

Either this is some great trolling or a great response. Either way, this thread just got good.

Nothing wrong with having two armies. I got two myself... IG and IG.

Yes...That is in fact, my father. and I have grown a liking to my death Korps and my Tau, both being opposites in my opinion I will never get tired between the two, the orks were given to me for free by my friend, I dont plan on expanding them that much.

I'm more bothered about the use of the word 'gay'.

Everybody enjoys the hobby in their own way...

I disagree with his statements about having multiple armies, but if that's how he wants to collect then that's how he'll collect.

marielle wrote:I'm more bothered about the use of the word 'gay'.

In the same boat! If the word "fluff" bothers you that much (it shouldn't) you can just call it "lore" or "backstory" or what have you. Both are equally acceptable, if not as widespread.

I understand the sentiment about starting multiple armies when each of them are hovering around 600 points though - that truly is just a collection of units and nothing resembling a proper army! If my armies were at such low points levels when I switched over to other projects, I'd never have enough to field at once in a proper game.

Aydrin wrote:REPLY FROM DAD:

First off, let me clarify. I never said my son was gay, let's get that clear! I said the word "Fluff" sounded gay, I wish they used a better war-like word like "Gruff", "Grime", or even something like "Mush". Fluff just makes me think of bunnies and rainbows versus chainswords and plasma weapons.

Second, I have been strongly pushing the fact that he has 3 incomplete armies. His Tau army was began nearly 2 years ago and has yet to be completed. With everything he has assembled it would be short work to finish painting them. Also, his Tau forces are, what I would rate, on the small side (maybe 600 points, I think). We have had a small debate about what a reasonable point size is as well, I think a 1000pts is a minimum to call it an army, anything less is a collection of units. Now, he has been distracted from his Tau by the Death Korps and the recent acquisition of some Orks. I have two problems with this; he should be building up his Tau army to a massive force of destruction that is completely assembled, painted, and completely battle ready (1500pts+). My other issue is that I think he should be more dedicated to the race he has chosen. I relate his choice to flip-flop between armies as being Christian on the weekend, Muslim Mon-Wed, and Buddhist Thurs-Fri. I think he should be true to his Tau and reject the Orks with as much vigor as the "Fluff" would backup. If you choose to be Tau... Be Tau! I have no problem with someone choosing to begin a new army after they have put in the hours of dedication to their forces and have amasses a sizable army. But to turn your back on your people and consort with the enemy... I say "Heresy!"

-Dad

My main question is: who is bankrolling the purchases of multiple armies? If the kid is making his own money, then good for him. If Dad is buying Sonny the multiple armies, then I don't get where he has room to complain.

One:
Remind dad that 'fluffers' are the girls that keep pornographic male performers ... ready? while the cameras and lights are being set up (back in the 80s anyway).

Two, I own:
8 k of SM (4k of which is all Termies)
3.3 k of tau
3.1 k nids
1500 orks
2.5 k CSM
2 k daemons
3.2 k eldar

Most other players I know are multi-army guys. Dad'll be sucked in to another army soon enough.

Iron Snake XV88 wrote:(first post) but here goes, I just recently got my Dad into the hobby, and he is assembling an Eldar army as I type this...And I have three armies currently my Tau (which I favor the most) Death korps, and Orks, My Father and I got in an argument that having multiple armies is "slowed" and "blasphemous in the fictional universe", I told him plenty of people have multiple armies, and soon enough you will get tired of the Eldar culture and start another army. He laughed at that... and I would like to know what the Wargaming community thinks of this, who is being ridiculous here? I may also like to add, he goes against his codex and gives his war walkers 3 weapons (which prove me if I am wrong, he may only have two) and, he calls me gay whenever I say "fluff" and says anybody who uses that term is a slow... So please, help me prove to my Dad that he is being ridiculous and allow me to show him the error of his ways. The heretic...

Your own father calls you "gay"? LOL

What the hell, man. That's cold-blooded.

I originally started as just orks.. btu having bought 4 aobr boxes and having a few rhino chassis i decided to start a space marines army as i had models. then i found a killer deal 50 bucks for 1900ish points of eldar already painted (all footdar and 1900 isn't many eldar pointwise they are ridiculous compared to orks)

now my orks are my main army i play them most of the time. i play eldar when i want a challenge or something different and my marines i bought 3 stormravens, dante, some sang guard groups (3) and a few death company boxes and use them as a loaner army and occasionally i actually field them myself but as i hate the imperium they are renegade marines who saw through the falsities of the emperor and now defend colonies in their prevue not because an old man on a golden toilet says to but because it is the right thing to do making them infinitely more altruistic than brainwashed regular space marines

The word "gay" is taboo in any sort of facetious context, but the wholesale slaughter of innocents in the game we play is pure entertainment!

I jest. Anyway, your dad will probably change his mind-- though there are a few folks who are very into the one army they run. I can get where they are coming from, no doubt.

On a side note, it sounds like pops can be a little vulgar! I think Orks are his army!

I think it may help the father to know where the term fluff comes from. The lore and many unimportant things in the universe are fluff, wherein the rules and whatnot are the crunch. At least thats how I hold the viewpoint. And I am not certain if the dad is funding his sons army, if so his dad has a very valid point, it would be rather annoying to be blowing several hundred dollars only for his son to swap armies, hell if I was in the same point I would be rather livid(unless the son was collecting for the sake of collecting as opposed to gaming)

I've got Orks, thousands of points of Orks, for when I'm feeling barbaric.
Let's face it, sometimes, I just wanna be a Kan smashing my way through things.

I got a full company of SM because sometimes, I'd like to picture myself as the good guys.


I also Loathe the word fluff for background in 40k and so many people use it. It's background. Its the background that got me into this hobby 22 years ago or whatever. Without the background we're just moving models around a table. Like painting Risk pieces.

Gorgrimm wrote:Its the background that got me into this hobby 22 years ago or whatever. Without the background we're just moving models around a table. Like painting Risk pieces.

Same. I don't actually *play* the game that much, I enjoy painting the models and reading about the 40k universe. There's something so charismatic about it, though some of the more recent codex writing has been sub-par...

Lore hooked me into it, something that end result saves you money over competetive mtg sold it to me

My problem is when people start new army's without finishing the last one. 2,000pts. is a good stopping point, to start a new army.

I have a problem with starting new games.

Death Gear wrote:My problem is when people start new army's without finishing the last one. 2,000pts. is a good stopping point, to start a new army.

I have a problem with starting new games.

Agreed, I didnt know what I wanted when I started Dark Angels, and ended up starting IG, turns out that my Dark Angels will be finished first due to deathwatch

The new allies rule pretty much blows the idea of complete armies out of the water. Add Tau to Ork as allies, problem solved. To each his own anyways...

As background:
Dark Angels 4000
Imperial Guard 3000
Grey Knights 1000

I have multiple armies and for me personally it enhances the game.

I play my Eldar when I feel like playing a finesse, every move counts kinda game. I also have GK for when I feel like rushing in and bashing everything in.

I have also had IG and Orks, in the past. As much as I love the grim dark of the 40k world. I really like the different feel of the armies and their play styles.

(that being said I also have Cryx and Khador for WH/H)

Having multiple armies is cool and all but it can be a major pain in the rear if you're not committed and disorganised.

Like me :(

I have 3 armies, one almost complete, one half done, one 1/3 done.
And it's been 4 years since I started work on my first army (one almost complete)

Armies can take up a significant portion of your time and effort, so make sure you concentrate on finishing your first army before starting another.

But multiple armies really are awesome.

Ok, so a few more points to add.

1 - I am glad that nearly, if not everyone, agrees that starting/expanding to a new army while your primary army is less than 1000pts strong is a waste of resources.

2 - Since the bulk of those resources are MY resources... I think my point is more than valid. His army also comes from holiday gifts and such, which is still a waste if he only has 600pts of Tau and starts listing nothing but Kreig on his Christmas Wish List. He did get the Orks for free; but the paint. glue, storage space, and time/effort could be better utilized to bolster his primary army before stretching it across multi-armies

3 - I am into the LORE as well, which further supports my argument for a dislike of the Orks, should you be Tau. I think if you want to involve/immerse yourself (which he does quite intensely), than you should commit all the way.

4 - My son is 14, so completion of anything is a good lesson. Commitment to an ideal or project is a good thing. Learning about resource management and tactics is a good thing. It all comes down to life lessons, Your hobbies are a reflection of you as a person, it would be better to devote and finish something rather than set it aside half-finished and start on a similar project.

5 - Yeah, yeah... people dislike the word "gay" to describe the word "fluff"... but the only more applicable term I could think of would be "fluffy", which is in itself the same thing. So, I am not sure where the term "fluff" in 40K came from, but with all the other war-like terms used it just reminds me that even a Jar-Jar gets stuck in there sometimes. Let's just shove it under the rug and forget about it. I am going with "Lore" from now on, that is a much more applicable term. I have included a few definitions below, you decide what better defines the background info of 40K.

LORE (lôr, lr) n.
1. Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject. See Synonyms at knowledge.
2. Knowledge acquired through education or experience.
3. Archaic Material taught or learned.

FLUFF (flf) n.
1. Light down or fuzz, as on a young bird or on a dandelion or milkweed seed.
2. Something having a very light, soft, or frothy consistency or appearance: a fluff of meringue; a fluff of cloud.
3. Something of little substance or consequence, especially:
a. Light or superficial entertainment: The movie was just another bit of fluff from Hollywood.
b. Inflated or padded material: The report was mostly fluff, with little new information.
4. The parts of a junked car that are not metal and cannot be recycled.
5. Informal An error, especially in the delivery of lines, as by an actor or announcer.

GAY adj.   
1. Having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits; gay music. Synonyms: cheerful, gleeful, happy, glad, cheery, lighthearted, joyous, joyful, jovial; sunny, lively, vivacious, sparkling; chipper, playful, jaunty, sprightly, blithe. Antonyms: serious, grave, solemn, joyless; staid, sedate; unhappy, morose, grim; sad, depressed, melancholy.
2.Bright or showy: gay colors; gay ornaments. Synonyms: colorful, brilliant, vivid, intense, lustrous; glittering, theatrical, flamboyant. Antonyms: dull, drab, somber, lackluster; conservative.
3.Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive . awkward, stupid, or bad; lame: This game is really gay.

Aydrin wrote:


3 - I am into the LORE as well, which further supports my argument for a dislike of the Orks, should you be Tau. I think if you want to involve/immerse yourself (which he does quite intensely), than you should commit all the way.

Yeah I agree. I don't consider myself sexist when I get annoyed with people and they're female SM. It isn't about that boys are better than girls, it's about the bloody background.
Whoa, haven't seen the new rules yet, but orks allied with tau? Well, Bloodaxes would for a price until they got annoyed/bored, but I don't know about the new allies...

I didn't see anything wrong with this so long as your dad only uses two weapons on the walker in gameplay. I don't understand why someone would put three guns on the walker. It seems like it would look fugly.
What is more alarming to me is that your dad calls you gay when he's playing eldar (a full on rainbow army).

Aydrin wrote:
FLUFF (flf) n.
a. Light or superficial entertainment: The movie was just another bit of fluff from Hollywood.
b. Inflated or padded material: The report was mostly fluff, with little new information.

Really that is a perfect description of much of the current lore in 40k

It would be AMAZING if people replying would read some of the other replies before posting. I think half the replies read the first post and just voice their opinion.

As a parent I agree. You should encourage your child to complete something. It helps build character and develops a work ethic. If he bought the Tau and really doesn't want to play them now though, compromise with him and have him sell them to fund his new army.

I'm coming from Fantasy about to jump into 40k. I play Lizardmen and I have roughly 3K point’s worth of units if I fielded everything. I also went half on the starter set with a friend because he wanted HE and I like Skaven models. The Skaven are just sitting on a shelf though. I'm about to dive into a 40K army though. My LM Army is assembled and primed. I would say about 10% of it is painted but it is playable. I don't do tournaments so painting the entire army isn't a huge priority. I am a little nervous about buying a 40K army with them not complete though, I would prefer to be able to say, yes I have a complete WHF army.

The only nice thing is I'm deployed and I just ordered paints so I get to paint 8 hours a day... 7 days a week... when they arrive.


I also have Dread Fleet still in the box.

Again though, people really need to read some of the replies before complaining about the usage of gay or the compliant about a 2nd or 3rd army. I think Aydrin (Dad type) makes very intelligent points.

That first line could be applied to pretty much every thread on the internet.

GimbleMuggernaught wrote:This could also be him being a troll dad though.

Ah yes, troll dads, the best kind of dad as long as they aren't your own.

Fluff is a great word... who wouldn't like rainbows and unicorns in a wonderland?

Also, think about how Aun'O'T'Au'Acaya'Va'Denta (Aun'Va) would feel about you not dedicating for tau?


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What I find amusing is that it seems that while dad lives in York, the son is living in Pennsylvania.

I grew up with the word Fluff, so on that point, I disagree.

Aydrin wrote:
FLUFF (flf) n.
b. Inflated or padded material: The report was mostly fluff, with little new information.

This is where it came from. The backstory was/is just fluff in the armybooks/codex.

On the second point I know that most of the people on Dakkadakka and in most GW stores I've been in are army-hoppers to some extent.

That doesn't mean the puritans don't exist.

I played my Skaven religiously, through good times and bad, and when it came time to go 40k, I went Daemonhunters, even though they were nigh on useless. Which turned awesome when they became Codex Grey Knights, but come warp or catachan storm, I'm staying with the Grey knights.

I, like your father, will stick to my army the way I feel was intended.

I looked through the fluff of all armies when I first found fantasy and got stuck on Skaven. I did the same for GK. I have never changed.

I'm not even planning on allying. As a GK I don't trust the other armies. They'll succumb. I know this to be fact.

PS: If Skaven were introduced to 40k, I would have a conflict of interests... and I think Skaven would win it.