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Wow, a surprising number of people here don't seem to care for the trash talk. My friend and I have recently gotten into the game and now we're sitting at about 1500 and sending the trash talk back and forth liberally. (He's Vanilla marines, I'm Tau)

About once a week we'll get together for a game and let the dice and tactics do the talking and have a grand ol' time. Heck, the other day he and I teamed our forces up for a 3k vs someone else and the trash talk flew all game but at the end it was all just fun for everyone. I think it livens up the game and makes it more exciting.

Just trash-talk back. If you don't know enough about the units, then trash talk about his paint jobs (or lack of) on his army. Sounds like you put a lot of time in painting your army, and if he just stands around talking while you do this, it doesn't sound like he's spending any time on his. Trashing someone's paint job is way more of a dick move than tactics trash-talk, so it ought to hurt. Then he'll figure out how much that sucks.

Trash talk is all well and good, but most Wargamers, I know are not over endowed with social skills. So what might be aggressive banter, could be bullying to others. In my club we are very close friends, very adult (no under 18's) and the language is pretty horrendous but the comedy is hilarious. With long standing jokes and the usual "He's a F*%king Toaster/ Cylon Player" with Necrons etc etc and that taking the piss out of Bald blokes is racist etc etc. We all wargame for fun and it's more of Drinking club, with dice but we have a strong streak of avuncular protection, e.g we can mock each other but no-one else can, it's part of the club. It sounds weird, but everyone has their little foibles and we all rub along, because we all like to feel part of the Tribe. If the banter and Trash talk went away, then a big part of the draw (for me anyway) would go away and the club would just be a group of gamers, rather than a group of friends. There is still nothing funnier than someone rolling 6 x 1's and screaming "FFS!!!!!!!!" at the top of their lungs.

Andy140491 wrote:Hey guys

Ive just...JUST started a chaos space marines army. i literally just own a daemon prince and a termie sorcerer lord!

My friend collects TAU and with the new ally chart he is mixing in some eldar, mainly a seer council which he keeps rambling on about.

Now everytime i even look at my models, just out of admiration, he slates them. says he gonna just ' shoot em down ' and with this doom/foeboding combination thing he's got in his head he never shuts up.

Now im usually quite a patient type of guy but my friend is driving me to wits end!, now matter what i say he comes up with some stupid explanation on how he is going to beat me... i mean 3 broadsides, with strength 10 ap1 rerolls witha range of 70... a 2+ armour save and 4++ with shield drones. Seems like a daunting task to wittle down.

He is the soul reason i sold my dark eldar. His troops glancing my raiders on 5's...

I really like my chaos, please help me!

so he isn't the sole reason you sold your DE? At any rate, the 4++ save is only for the drones. Theydo not give the whole unit the save, just those models.

Open your battles with your DP telling your CC units "If any of you die without blood on your blades, I'll rape your corpse!"

Some GoT references never fail to go over well.

Andy140491 wrote: My friend collects TAU and with the new ally chart he is mixing in some eldar, mainly a seer council which he keeps rambling on about.

I don't think seers are really a problem for CSM.

Now everytime i even look at my models, just out of admiration, he slates them. says he gonna just ' shoot em down ' and with this doom/foeboding combination thing he's got in his head he never shuts up.

As stated before, Tau can never have doom and forebonding in the same army.

Just tell him how your troops will slaughter his army, and destroy his tanks with bolts of change. And tell him you're going to assault him, that's something Tau hate.

How can they never have Doom and Foreboding in the same army?
There's nothing stopping him from having 2 Farseers at 2000pts.

Sometimes you just have to say the obvious: you're going to have to prove that, until then just shut up.

His plan is to "just shoot them down" but in my experience when I make plans like that I fail. Hard.

DarknessEternal wrote:Tau can never have Doom and Foreboding in the same army.

Why am I not surprised DarknessEternal managed to pick up the one thing that stood out like a sore scar in the OP for me.

Ovion wrote:How can they never have Doom and Foreboding in the same army?
There's nothing stopping him from having 2 Farseers at 2000pts.

Because at 2000+ you get an additional primary detachment, you will have to house rule to be allowed more than one allied detachment.

No, at 2000+ points, you get an additional Primary Detachment.
Once you've taken the addition 1 HQ and 2 Troops (for a total minimum of 2 HQ + 4 Troops) you can take an additional Fortification AND an additional Allied Detachment. (see Page 110, Bigger Games )


So once you've taken 2 HQ and 4 Troops from your Primary Detachement, and 2 HQ and 2 Troops from your Allied Detachment, you get a total of 4-6 HQ, 0-8 Elites, 6-16 Troops, 0-8 Fast Attack, 0-8 Heavy Support and 0-2 Fortifications.

Or see these images:



If I ally my Dark Eldar with Space Wolves I can feasibly have 16 seperate HQs (12 Haemonculi (3 per HQ slot), and 4 whatever (Space Wolves can take 2 HQ per slot anyway) ).

Ovion wrote:

If I ally my Dark Eldar with Space Wolves I can feasibly have 16 seperate HQs (12 Haemonculi (3 per HQ slot), and 4 whatever (Space Wolves can take 2 HQ per slot anyway) ).

Why you would want that many points tied up in HQs is beyond me.

Reminds me of a scene in Sphere:

Ted: What if I have to go to the bathroom?
Harry: Just go down your leg, Ted.
Ted: Really? You can urinate in these?
Harry: You can. Question is, would you want to?

Andy140491 wrote:Is there anything i can do which would making him think twice?

Yes.

Beat him in a game then laugh back at him reminding him of all the trash talk!

Don't learn too much towards one chaos god. While Tzeentch is cool, use some of the other gods powers. Have some nice assault elements and smash his (proverbial) face in.

A Tzeentchian deamon prince with wings bounding up the field is a scary sight. Plague marines in cover on an objective are a right bugger to remove.

Nothing is as sweet as killing your trash-talking opponents best unit and then when they look a little distraught just say to them: http://youtu.be/4QGeMApnBQQ

clively wrote:

Ovion wrote:

If I ally my Dark Eldar with Space Wolves I can feasibly have 16 seperate HQs (12 Haemonculi (3 per HQ slot), and 4 whatever (Space Wolves can take 2 HQ per slot anyway) ).

Why you would want that many points tied up in HQs is beyond me.

Reminds me of a scene in Sphere:

Ted: What if I have to go to the bathroom?
Harry: Just go down your leg, Ted.
Ted: Really? You can urinate in these?
Harry: You can. Question is, would you want to?

I didn't say you'd want to take 12 Haems and 4 SW HQs, but it's possible (at least I can't think of a sillier number of seperate HQ options in 1 non-apoc list...)

Good point, Ovion! There's no point in it, but you can if you have the points!


Wouldn't the doom/forebonding combo end up costing at least around 350 points of squishy models, and relying on luck to get forebonding?

Technically you can always switch out to the Primaris power which gives re-rolls to a unit within 12" though, even if you don't get the power you want.

Though according to research by the various gambling commissions around the world, and a few people / universities, there's something like a 29% chance of rolling a 1 with round cornered dice! xD

Though on the subject of ridiculously pointed HQs - doing a list with all 8 Space Wolves Special Characters is possible at 2000pts now, with the 6 HQ alone costing 1395pts, and the other 2 Special Characters are 310 pts requiring a minimum of 129pts of other models. Which is 1834, leaving 166pts to buy 2 more troops, flesh out the 2 existing troops and maybe buy some drop pods! (I actualy do want to make this list of insanity and stupid numbers of HQs)

If you can't trash talk, a bunch of people on the internet aren't going to be able to help.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:If you can't trash talk, a bunch of people on the internet aren't going to be able to help.

Are you kidding me? If there is anything people on the internet can teach him, it is just that.

60mm wrote:Passive aggressive mind games are for crappy girlfriends and men with no balls. He is being a di$k, let him know. Just like if you had crap on your face, you'd want a friend to let you know.

I found it funny that you covered up saying dick but not crap
Just ignore beat him with when he's using that combination, then he can't speak about it anymore...

It is just trash talk, and in this case it looks like it is meant to build up his own confidence and undermine yours.

Unfortunately, so far it seems to be working.

Relax. Don't get mad or nasty. Address his threats and deal with his units on the table. There are plenty of ways to do so, but if you are struggling to win get back to this forum for some tactical advice. And when you win, be gracious. You'll want to beat him again and again!

Purifier wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:If you can't trash talk, a bunch of people on the internet aren't going to be able to help.

Are you kidding me? If there is anything people on the internet can teach him, it is just that.

Mainly because it is really easy to talk trash on the anonymous internet. If some of the things people said on online were said face-to-face, there would be a lot more fights in game stores.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Purifier wrote:

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:If you can't trash talk, a bunch of people on the internet aren't going to be able to help.

Are you kidding me? If there is anything people on the internet can teach him, it is just that.

Mainly because it is really easy to talk trash on the anonymous internet. If some of the things people said on online were said face-to-face, there would be a lot more fights in game stores.

having seen what kind of people frequent games stores, I can see a lot of these fights being hilarious.

A friend of mine used to play tau and as a chaos player I just made great use of plague marines good saves and feel no pain. This along with the defiler (its almost like a vindicator and a dreadnought had a baby!) makes for a very strong army. Also as shown above termies. Take a few groups of termies. Those 2+ saves mean a lot now. Deep strike them in next to his hammer heads and unleash some combi meltas. Don't like termies take raptors, deep strike them next to it with two melta guns a squad, take some bikes with melta and plasma guns and icons. Have your termies come in off the icons of your bikers without scattering (I am 99% sure you can do this. Haven't in a while so I'm no fully certain).
You could always take a lash prince or sorc and make the tau come out of their precious cover and into your arms.
How many points are you playing?

Andy140491 wrote: He is the soul reason i sold my dark eldar.

I see what you did there!

But seriously, borrow and proxy some units from other kind gamers (or paint really quickly), and face him on the battlefield. It's the only way to truly quell his verbal diarrhoea.