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Ive had some Bad experiences with finecast.too so.once ive sourced the final few Bits i was missing from th sm Limes in lead Its bye bye gw models.

Adam LongWalker wrote:Does anyone know if GW did indeed purchase new equipment for their Fine cast line

or

Did they somehow was able to reuse their old metal mold machines with this semi resin product.

My reason for asking is that years ago in my youth I did spin casting when I was making jewelry. I can see perhaps that they were able to find a way to reuse older production machinery. Fits their way of thinking.

But regardless the models are getting too expensive to purchase.

I can't claim this is 100% but I have no reason to doubt the people I had worked with.

GW did buy new machines, but they are made by the same company (Nicem) and are similar to the centrifugal machines used for metal, only heated. I thought for a while they were injection molding the resin (which can be done) but I was wrong. I attached a PDF from Nicem about the machines. I don't think the machines cost GW much though, they probably leased them and have an exchange policy with Nicem or it's possible they retrofitted the existing machines with the heaters since they are so similar to the metal casting ones.

They are using the same metal masters used for the old metal models (the mastering process is also the same), so any claims of better (crisper!) detail are incorrect and are just an opinion born from gullibility. Vulcanization is still used to make the molds so the heat involved would still cause expansion and shrinkage when the molds are made; this also effects multiple part models and the gaps caused so no "real" change there either. Metal and FC up to the moldmaking point use almost the same process. FC adds rectangular sprues around the model.

I haven't been able to find out much about the resin, most staff within GW wouldn't know about that anyway.

mechanicalhorizon wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if in the future GW started to offer metal versions of FC models for sale but at a "premium cost due to the high cost of metal manufacturing." This was mentioned to me with great sarcasm, but I wouldn't doubt GW to try.

I want this to happen, since it'll make a prediction I made (back when FC first came out) true.

mechanicalhorizon wrote:They are using the same metal masters used for the old metal models (the mastering process is also the same), so any claims of better (crisper!) detail are incorrect and are just an opinion born from gullibility.

Thanks for that...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

mechanicalhorizon wrote:They are using the same metal masters used for the old metal models (the mastering process is also the same), so any claims of better (crisper!) detail are incorrect and are just an opinion born from gullibility.

Thanks for that...

I have been thinking that a lot of this "the detail is incredible!" nonsense is simply because it's easier to see the small details on the resin with the naked eye. Staring at a finely detailed, shiny, white metal model does not reveal a lot of the finer detail because of glare and what not.

Not to mention that nearly ALL of the finecast pictures ARE the OLD pictures with fancy backgrounds. THEY ARE NOT NEW PICTURES OF NEWLY PAINTED MODELS!

That was kind of a dead give away.

i notice that they are missing the other meganob option. I hope they make a plain plastic version with 3 meganobz in a pack. why would you make finecast for the tau battle suits? they are so boxy and simple. is there really any detail that matters?

Nuh uh, it's "elegant" and "sleek". GW said so in the description of the models, so it has to be true!

mechanicalhorizon wrote:They are using the same metal masters used for the old metal models (the mastering process is also the same), so any claims of better (crisper!) detail are incorrect and are just an opinion born from gullibility.

Most of us kinda knew this already...it's been proven several times that the only real way to tell a Finecast model from a metal model (both primed) is to look for the expected Finecast flaws. "More detail!" was just a blatant lie to try and convince people that it was worth a price increase.

I don't know the details of the Finecast Broadside but the original model was a polystyrene battlesuit with a set of extra metal parts for the feet and guns.

Perhaps the Finecast version is just the feet and guns parts in Finecast, so you get a mixed media kit including polystyrene and soft resin parts. This would certainly solve the weight and construction problems of the original Broadside kit. I don't see why GW would need to make the polystyrene parts in Finecast.

I bought 12 robot suit kits from Hobby Link Japan last year to use for my Broadsides. They cost about £2.50 each in a sale. £25 for a single model is an absolutely ludicrous price. It's not even a very good or big model.

I think this finecast wave is there to take advantage of the 6th ed release. I wouldn't buy anything other than ICs (independent characters) in Finecast. That's what I think finecast as a concept is for. Everything else should be plastic. The problem comes with armies that are not scheduled for a codex in the next year. Should GW not have the models available, or should they put them in a holding area with finecast? I think they expect established players of armies to have pretty much everything they want, which means it's mostly new players to an army that will get stung. Given that those codices are older and not geared for 6th ed I'd hold off starting them unless you are going to take advantage of the plastics that currently exist. Most of the new Warhammer Fantasy armies have very little finecast outside of characters and any they do have are generally poor choices that are left over from earlier codices. Fantasy players also seem to try and make an army work without finecast, personally I try to make it work with a minimum of finecast or metal.

As for the orks, I've always regarded an ork army as a conversion heavy army, so I don't expect them to rely solely on the GW line. Also I think it's worth noting that it's the Meganobs in heavy armour that are £15 each normal nobs are plastic and much cheaper. I agree that it's exorbitant but I'd hope that they'd become plastic next time the orks get an update. Until then I'd be tempted to magnetise the plastic ones with an optional 40 mm base and make em 'counts as' but then I'm not an orc player. Given that flyers are about to become the new hotness and orks are one of the few armies that have them I don't think they are completely stuffed.

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't know the details of the Finecast Broadside but the original model was a polystyrene battlesuit with a set of extra metal parts for the feet and guns.

Perhaps the Finecast version is just the feet and guns parts in Finecast, so you get a mixed media kit including polystyrene and soft resin parts. This would certainly solve the weight and construction problems of the original Broadside kit. I don't see why GW would need to make the polystyrene parts in Finecast.

I bought 12 robot suit kits from Hobby Link Japan last year to use for my Broadsides. They cost about £2.50 each in a sale. £25 for a single model is an absolutely ludicrous price. It's not even a very good or big model.

It is, it's on the website already. It's just the same old metal parts cast in Finecast and with pretty much the exact same level of detail, they don't magically look any better judging from the pic on GW's site.

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't know the details of the Finecast Broadside but the original model was a polystyrene battlesuit with a set of extra metal parts for the feet and guns.

Perhaps the Finecast version is just the feet and guns parts in Finecast, so you get a mixed media kit including polystyrene and soft resin parts. This would certainly solve the weight and construction problems of the original Broadside kit. I don't see why GW would need to make the polystyrene parts in Finecast.

I bought 12 robot suit kits from Hobby Link Japan last year to use for my Broadsides. They cost about £2.50 each in a sale. £25 for a single model is an absolutely ludicrous price. It's not even a very good or big model.

Funny how Kaiyodo and Kotobukiya can charge less for a highly detailed, posable 7" tall robot than GW does for a 4" tall dreadnought. And this in a country where fans prove their devotion to a franchise by spending more.

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't know the details of the Finecast Broadside but the original model was a polystyrene battlesuit with a set of extra metal parts for the feet and guns.

Perhaps the Finecast version is just the feet and guns parts in Finecast, so you get a mixed media kit including polystyrene and soft resin parts. This would certainly solve the weight and construction problems of the original Broadside kit. I don't see why GW would need to make the polystyrene parts in Finecast.

It is an 8GBP Finecast conversion kit, only containing the Finecast recasts of the metal parts. As was done with the Necron Heavy Destroyer. You still have to buy the Plastic kit separately.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I don't know the details of the Finecast Broadside but the original model was a polystyrene battlesuit with a set of extra metal parts for the feet and guns.

Perhaps the Finecast version is just the feet and guns parts in Finecast, so you get a mixed media kit including polystyrene and soft resin parts. This would certainly solve the weight and construction problems of the original Broadside kit. I don't see why GW would need to make the polystyrene parts in Finecast.

It is an 8GBP Finecast conversion kit, only containing the Finecast recasts of the metal parts. As was done with the Necron Heavy Destroyer. You still have to buy the Plastic kit separately.

It's actually £9, the Commander upgrade kit is £8.

£15.00's for a single Nob in power armour.

Single model while you can get five Nobs for £15.50.

You can't justify that, no one can, ever, ever, ever.

Kroothawk wrote:£24.50:


£29.00:

I'm sure no one here has committed a crime heinous enough to warrant assembly of that forgeworld model.

The Vespids are horrendously priced and the Krootox is still a PoS (I have two metal ones to prove their worth).

Off topic a bit: can you have FW stuff shipped to a GW retail store for free?

I did the math on FW suits versus GW suits and the 15% shipping on FW really kills it for me. If I could get around the shipping they would be worth it.

Ask the local store and find out from there? I think the answer will probably be a no, but you never know.