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Next time put specific examples of accused cheating in your first post. Your OP really got under my skin with all those damning accusations and NO evidence.

Like has been said, what kind of tournament doesn't require a written army list?

"All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to sit back and do nothing."

It seems to me that the Power, or WAAC, players, who are very confident and win all the time, get treated like they're the experts, and no one questions how they're winning. In the tournament it was the Tyranids and Black Templar armies that were crushing everything in sight(from Space Wolves to Vet. Imp. Guard armies, no one stood a chance)...


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SickSix wrote:Next time put specific examples of accused cheating in your first post. Your OP really got under my skin with all those damning accusations and NO evidence.

Like has been said, what kind of tournament doesn't require a written army list?

"All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to sit back and do nothing."

Even if I gave you a list of all things he did to cheat in the op, you'd still have no evidence, and why would it "really got under my skin"? I'm not accusing you of anything...

Stand your ground. From my viewpoint I'd rather not play than endure a cheat. Without rules, your models are just toys. I can play with my toys by myself. You never know, your game store might be grateful for you keeping a cheat from their store.

One we had in my area stopped coming after I consistantly called him on his cheating, then still beat him in spite of it. He returned after I stopped playing. He mysteriously disappeared again after my first tournament back. I never had to say anything, and he didn't try anything. Against me. His other two opponants groused about it, but not to the TO or owner.

Some people legitimately don't understand the rules, and I buy that. Hell, during our "Fairwell to 5th" tournament, I had to explain to the TO and my opponant how buildings worked: They STILL didn't understand them. I even had opponants insisting that hills were area terrain, and since they were area terrain, standing atop them gave you a 4+ save. (5e had well defined terrain types and varying cover values, but no one ever paid attention to that, but that's another rant.)

Man, if he tried that around here he'd go down faster then a Runt'herd fighting a Dreadknight.

Of course its important to make sure it isn't an honest mistake. Its still early in 6th so rule mixups are to be expected.

Grey Templar wrote:Man, if he tried that around here he'd go down faster then a Runt'herd fighting a Dreadknight.

Of course its important to make sure it isn't an honest mistake. Its still early in 6th so rule mixups are to be expected.

Yeah, but we were playing 5th, so there shouldn't have been that much confusion. Mistakes do happen, and I'm the first one to give people the benefit of the doubt(it's easier to let something go in the heat of battle, and then look it up later, than argue it out at the table)...

This is the reason I dont play tournaments, even the "friendly" ones. Some players explode in anger because of the preasure of losing.

Something similar happened in the FLGS near my area, when the final game, one of the players got stressed in a "friendly" game.

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SickSix wrote:Next time put specific examples of accused cheating in your first post. Your OP really got under my skin with all those damning accusations and NO evidence.

Like has been said, what kind of tournament doesn't require a written army list?

"All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to sit back and do nothing."

Even if I gave you a list of all things he did to cheat in the op, you'd still have no evidence, and why would it "really got under my skin"? I'm not accusing you of anything...

I think you should give us a list of things that you believe he's cheating, not asking for "evidence", this isn't CSI. But it's also that we can actually see what he has done that you've considered cheating.

While showing army list before the game is good sport, if you read the 6th ed rulebook, it does say "You don't have to show your army list if you don't want to", so that isn't exactly cheating, considering that your TO is fine with it as well, then he wasn't cheating RAW nor houserule.

But on topic, is cheating ok? I'll repeat what others have posted, no, it never is, especially when it's in expense on other's enjoyment.

DemetriDominov wrote:Here's your answer to this question: Is it OK to murder if you get away with it?

Only if you roll double six's on the "morality chart"

Still this is such a weird question, it is never right to cheat (outside of single player games, because that can be fun) but when you're playing with others or it influences others then it becomes a big problem. Cheating not ruins the game for yourself but everyone else who plays with you too along with stealing the sense of accomplishment if you win.

Challange him to a game, write down his moves and his models. If he wins, buy the codex of his army and look through it. If you see anything he did that he can't do, Challange him to a rematch, bring his army's codex, and whenever he slips up, make a very loud and annoying comment about it. That should really tick him off.

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SickSix wrote:Next time put specific examples of accused cheating in your first post. Your OP really got under my skin with all those damning accusations and NO evidence.

Like has been said, what kind of tournament doesn't require a written army list?

"All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to sit back and do nothing."

Even if I gave you a list of all things he did to cheat in the op, you'd still have no evidence, and why would it "really got under my skin"? I'm not accusing you of anything...

I think you should give us a list of things that you believe he's cheating, not asking for "evidence", this isn't CSI. But it's also that we can actually see what he has done that you've considered cheating.

While showing army list before the game is good sport, if you read the 6th ed rulebook, it does say "You don't have to show your army list if you don't want to", so that isn't exactly cheating, considering that your TO is fine with it as well, then he wasn't cheating RAW nor houserule.

But on topic, is cheating ok? I'll repeat what others have posted, no, it never is, especially when it's in expense on other's enjoyment.

I'm not looking for approval for cheating, I'm just trying to open up a discussion on how some players get away with cheating because they win(sorry, but I honestly didn't think people would be this pedantic over the title ). As for not showing your list to your opponent, that's fine(I didn't say that was cheating), but at least prove you have one(I wasn't asked to provide one to the person running this tournament, so can't be certain if he even had one in the first place)...

ted1138 wrote:What's with some of the negative here? Read my op, and not just the title of the thread please(and yes, my parents did teach me not to cheat, and no, I'm not stupid).


@JbR of the Endless Spire, I'll give you an example. At the start of his turn two, I said I was using my Kryptek's Staff of Light to make it Night Fighting. To which he shouted I couldn't as I'm meant to say so before his turn starts, ie, before I finished my turn 1, and before saying"it's your turn 2"(he'd already insisted at the beginning of the game that solar pulses should only work in Dawn of War deployment).

To clarify a little. Half the stuff he did that was cheating, I didn't know for sure was cheating(like telling me his drop pods can't deviate off the table, or that he could bring them on 1st turn, or that he could choose to roll for them or not, as he was playing a non "Codex" chapter), and the other stuff he could have just claimed was an honest mistake(like moving his land raider, firing both TL Lascannons, then using Machine spirit to fire the TL H.Bolters, or running a squad after moving his assault moves). Then there was the always positioning the blast templates over the target before rolling for scatter, just to make sure he gets the most hits if a "Hit" comes up, then claiming a model over to the side(who would have been the only one hit) was the actual target when it does deviate, thus not moving away from them, but right into the middle(there's no way of proving he was lying).

Ok, so it's a Space Marine army. Here's the thing about Space Marines, they are all the same except for one special rule. Learn one Space Marine army and you don't really need the others explained to you.

Drop Pods do come in on turn one - exactly half (fraction rounded down, iirc) will do this the other half are normal reserves.
Drop Pods deviating off table would be a mishap. Onto terrain or other models is what their guidance system protects them from.
There is no such thing as a non-Codex chapter. There's only Marines Of Chapter X Cunningly Disguising Themselves In Other Colours Than They Really Are. Next time, try rubbing the models with your thumb to see what colour they are when the fresh paint comes off. Or ask him to provide you with the Codex he's using - either works.
He's actually allowed to place markers before scattering them, but he's not allowed to reposition it after placing it. This is why you pre-place the markers, by the way, since a marker's hole isn't necessarily placed square centre of the target model, either.

It seems he was not at all in the know about the Necrons, though, so you just need to get in the game of paying back in kind. If he's shouting about stuff you know is wrong, just start questioning EVERYTHING you don't want him to do (even the stuff you know he's allowed to do) until he starts providing proof he can. You don't have to be a donkey about the questioning, you can be polite, but simply letting someone roll right over you won't do you any good nor the next person he plays. I mean, even such a blatantly insipid thing as "are you sure those are bolters and not shotguns? Let's check your codex" whenever he wants to shoot over 12" will eventually drive the message home. "I thought Blood Angels could only take Shotguns. You mean you don't have your codex with you. No, I'm very certain. Only shotguns.". "Yeah, really Gauss Rifles are rending. Nah, codex is in my bag, I thought since you don't have your codex I'd let it be down there". "Land Raiders don't have Machine Spirit, only the special variants do."

"There is no such thing as a non-Codex chapter"

Really? What about Grey Knights, Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Black Templars?


PS, this guy was playing BTs(if you haven't already guessed), and I checked after the tournament, and they can't use drop pods 1st turn, and they can't field Ironclad Dreadnoughts either(as far as I can tell)...

ted1138 wrote:
I'm not looking for approval for cheating, I'm just trying to open up a discussion on how some players get away with cheating because they win(sorry, but I honestly didn't think people would be this pedantic over the title ). As for not showing your list to your opponent, that's fine(I didn't say that was cheating), but at least prove you have one(I wasn't asked to provide one to the person running this tournament, so can't be certain if he even had one in the first place)...

I'll be a bit more honest then...

For me, and may be some others, we aren't sure if what you saw was cheating or not. As you've said, you don't know his army well, what if it is his army's rule? From your 1st post, it sounds as if you're calling him out because he was being defensive about showing his rule, not because you are actually sure that he cheated. The same logic could be applied here: You're calling me pedantic for asking for examples of what he did that was considered cheating, I could also say that's enough ground for me to say that he didn't cheat and you only made this up to get some sorta reassurance that you didn't lose because you're a bad general, but that he's a filthy cheater.

For example, let's say you have not a clue about DE, and you play an Eldar army against my DE, I tell you that my HQ allows me to steal initiative on a 4+, that he can re-roll to hit and to wound in combat with his 3+ to wound power weapon, and the other HQ that I've brought get +1A from 2 CCW, then +x A, where x is the difference of the HQ's WS and the highest WS model in the unit assaulted, possibly getting 10 attacks out of 1 model. But when you ask me to show you the rules, I get defensive and start screaming at you for asking, are you gonna get suspicious? Yes. But was I cheating? Nope, the HQ I mentioned were Vect and Lelith, totally legal units. Why would I field the 2 high cost HQ units in one game? I wouldn't, this is an example, but they do have some scary sounding rules.

So if you want reassurance that he's a filthy cheater, then yes, you'd need to provide some examples, if you only want to know if cheating is cool, then you already got your answer. But I mean, surely, there is nothing that could hurt for providing some examples of his cheating shenanigans, right?

No it is not ok. How badly would one have need his toy soldiers to win to cheat at a game?

ted1138 wrote:"There is no such thing as a non-Codex chapter"

Really? What about Grey Knights, Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Black Templars?


PS, this guy was playing BTs(if you haven't already guessed), and I checked after the tournament, and they can't use drop pods 1st turn, and they can't field Ironclad Dreadnoughts either(as far as I can tell)...

I think Blood Angels technically are a codex-adhering chapter, but my point was more that there's no such thing supporting home-brew chapters with mix-matching rules.

Regardless, if he's being silly, dorky, loud, or any other adverb about how you play, don't feel bad for being so right back at him, although generally speaking polite is a good adverb to go for, especially in combination with firm.

I think my general judgement is "sounds like it's your fault for letting him roll all over you". No, that doesn't make his cheating OK, but being the one across the table it's your job to be the first, and possibly the only, line of referee.

Baronyu wrote:

ted1138 wrote:
I'm not looking for approval for cheating, I'm just trying to open up a discussion on how some players get away with cheating because they win(sorry, but I honestly didn't think people would be this pedantic over the title ). As for not showing your list to your opponent, that's fine(I didn't say that was cheating), but at least prove you have one(I wasn't asked to provide one to the person running this tournament, so can't be certain if he even had one in the first place)...

I'll be a bit more honest then...

For me, and may be some others, we aren't sure if what you saw was cheating or not. As you've said, you don't know his army well, what if it is his army's rule? From your 1st post, it sounds as if you're calling him out because he was being defensive about showing his rule, not because you are actually sure that he cheated. The same logic could be applied here: You're calling me pedantic for asking for examples of what he did that was considered cheating, I could also say that's enough ground for me to say that he didn't cheat and you only made this up to get some sorta reassurance that you didn't lose because you're a bad general, but that he's a filthy cheater.

For example, let's say you have not a clue about DE, and you play an Eldar army against my DE, I tell you that my HQ allows me to steal initiative on a 4+, that he can re-roll to hit and to wound in combat with his 3+ to wound power weapon, and the other HQ that I've brought get +1A from 2 CCW, then +x A, where x is the difference of the HQ's WS and the highest WS model in the unit assaulted, possibly getting 10 attacks out of 1 model. But when you ask me to show you the rules, I get defensive and start screaming at you for asking, are you gonna get suspicious? Yes. But was I cheating? Nope, the HQ I mentioned were Vect and Lelith, totally legal units. Why would I field the 2 high cost HQ units in one game? I wouldn't, this is an example, but they do have some scary sounding rules.

So if you want reassurance that he's a filthy cheater, then yes, you'd need to provide some examples, if you only want to know if cheating is cool, then you already got your answer. But I mean, surely, there is nothing that could hurt for providing some examples of his cheating shenanigans, right?

Posted by me, earlier in the thread(bear in mind he was playing Black Templars, and had told me that they didn't follow the same rules as Codex chapters): “To clarify a little. Half the stuff he did that was cheating, I didn't know for sure was cheating(like telling me his drop pods can't deviate off the table, or that he could bring them on 1st turn, or that he could choose to roll for them or not, as he was playing a non "Codex" chapter), and the other stuff he could have just claimed was an honest mistake(like moving his land raider, firing both TL Lascannons, then using Machine spirit to fire the TL H.Bolters, or running a squad after moving his assault moves). Then there was the always positioning the blast templates over the target before rolling for scatter, just to make sure he gets the most hits if a "Hit" comes up, then claiming a model over to the side(who would have been the only one hit) was the actual target when it does deviate, thus not moving away from them, but right into the middle(there's no way of proving he was lying).”


As I've also said, If I can't prove someone is cheating, I'll wait till later and check the books rather than make a scene there and then. As for your Dark Eldar point, I'd have checked later, and found you were right, but as long as you weren't doing things like running troops in the assault phase, rolling dice in secret or some other obvious cheating, I'd have no reason to suspect you of cheating, so wouldn't have.


PS, try reading other peoples posts to see what they are saying, and not just attack every little thing they type just for the sake of it(I haven't accused you of anything, and as far as I can tell, have not written anything offensive here, so why the attitude?)...

No.

Although it's possible he's ignorant of the current rules AND stubbornly unwilling to do the research AND is too unnerving to want to socialize with, generally he's just cheating.

The problem being, it doesn't hurt him to cheat until people take action to punish him for it. Think about how many people using aim-bots in FPS games nowadays. On most servers, they get their fun killing people and ruining everyone elses fun, getting kicked from the server, and just finding a new server to do it at again. It's not much different than trolling, as a troll defines winning as annoying people regardless of the game, a cheater just also wants to win the game at least in the eyes of his opponent. He got everything he wanted out of your match and the tournament, which included pissing his fellow gamers off and stealing their victory. He was praised for it, he won the tournament for it, and forced everyone to bend to his will.

Why did no one stand up to him? Because we doubt ourselves, we differ to others when we are unsure, we assume our peers are correct and we must be wrong. To the point that it would be truly embarrassing to request a clarification on something we don't understand. It is natural, if not intelligent. Which is why people who do this get away with it. It's scary to accuse someone of cheating, because we're so terrified of being wrong. Especially when sometimes we are, 40k is a very complicated game and it's very possible that something you think it cheating is just an aspect of your opponents army. You can't know if he's cheating if you don't know how it works in the first place.

I'm quite timid and suffer from social anxiety, so I'd probably never argue with the guy either. Just let him have his way and finish the game as fast as possible. But I'm a rules lawyer at heart so I'd hope that someone corrects him eventually.

I know in a tournament setting you don't have all day to play the game and debate about the rules, and i've fought against opponents that certainly could have taken advantage of me on the tabletop if they hadn't already. But that doesn't mean they should get away with it, not does it mean you should play against him again. Tell the store owner or tournament organizer, and if he wants to play against you again tell him you'd rather not play against an army you don't understand as it gives him an unfair advantage, and if he'd agree to trade codex's with you for a few minutes to find out what each other can do, you might feel more confident. It's a little bit underhanded to feign ignorance, but onyl a total jerk won't let someone ask a TO for a little help.

You should have called him out as a cheater. politely but deffinitly get a TO in on the match next time you think someone is cheating. Also, you should always get a copy of your opponents list when you play.

Whenever I play in a tournament we are all required to submit one copy of our list for them to verify it is legal and to have another copy on us so that an opponent could look at it if they wished.

If you are in a situation that you KNOW is wrong, yet are not willing to take a stand for what is RIGHT, you are just as bad as the cheater in question.

To the OP, all you did was run into the, "bully gamer". He will protest the loudest, he will intimidate the most, and will throw the gamer's superiority complex out as if they were the original GW rules writers combined. You didn't have the balls to stand-up to him and if he beat anyone after he played you, you are just as responsible for his cheating as his opponents prior to playing you.

ted1138 wrote:Is it ok to cheat, if you win?

LOL. Even the cheaters, deep down, don't feel ok about their "win".


Cheating is bad for two reasons:

1) The person has a low enough opinion of themseves and their own abilities that they feel they need to cheat to have a chance. Basically, they've admitted to themselves they are a pathetic loser. And,

2) A win by cheating is not a real win at all. It's not a real victory. It's like playing a video game all the way through using "god mode" - why would anyone feel a sense of accomplishment doing that?

There an old quote if you aren't cheating you aren't trying.

This is bull winning with honor is the ultimate goal.

ted1138 wrote:What's with some of the negative here? Read my op, and not just the title of the thread please(and yes, my parents did teach me not to cheat, and no, I'm not stupid).
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because, and i say this with all due respect, we dont know whats worse - someone who cheats, or someone who doesnt have the courage to stand up to them.

Fine. Its only a game. But asking him to show you an army list, or asking him to show you the rules in his codex where it says he can do X is not "causing a scene". its you playing the game as its meant to be played. fairly. its a social contract. if he gets loud and angry and tries to bully you, its on him. Personally that attitude against me would make me even more unwilling to back down. And you can confront him whilst being formal and polite and with perfectly good manners. So, where's the "scene"? or is it that people simply dont want to push the bully in case he has a go at them next?

to be honest ted, i have no sympathy or tolerance for cheaters, but i have only apathy for those who back down from them. to me, thats even worse. just remember, its your game too - you are fully entitled to enjoy it, and to know you and your opponent are "doing it right". bullys arent worth the cowering, and the slinking around the gaming tables, egos and the fear of causing a scene.

the only reason he gets away with it is because people let him get away with it. So basically, man up a bit. you can take him on. and you can take back your game.

I would rather lose than cheat. It's just a game with plastic toy soldiers. It isn't fun if someone is cheating and why would I spend so much time, effort and (*ahem) money on something that isn't fun?

ted1138 wrote:"There is no such thing as a non-Codex chapter"

Really? What about Grey Knights, Blood Angels, Space Wolves and Black Templars?

I have seen the Grey Knights and Blood Angels Codexes, so I know they have them. Haven't seen a Black Templars Codex though. I thought that SM type armies either used the generic Space Marine Codex or they had their own specific ones. I was not aware of any "non-Codex" chapter. (I'm assuming that means a White Dwarf or 2 defining the rules, like Sisters of Battle have).

Just looked on Games Workshop's site. They have a Codex:Black Templars as well, had to search Google to get the link to the GW site entry, but it was there plus a few models for the army.

Isn't it common knowledge not to show your list to an opponent?

Depends on who is hosting the tournament. At official GW ones, for example, you are required to have a written army list on you at all times so your opponent may check it if they wish to.

Deadnight wrote:

ted1138 wrote:What's with some of the negative here? Read my op, and not just the title of the thread please(and yes, my parents did teach me not to cheat, and no, I'm not stupid).
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because, and i say this with all due respect, we dont know whats worse - someone who cheats, or someone who doesnt have the courage to stand up to them.

Fine. Its only a game. But asking him to show you an army list, or asking him to show you the rules in his codex where it says he can do X is not "causing a scene". its you playing the game as its meant to be played. fairly. its a social contract. if he gets loud and angry and tries to bully you, its on him. Personally that attitude against me would make me even more unwilling to back down. And you can confront him whilst being formal and polite and with perfectly good manners. So, where's the "scene"? or is it that people simply dont want to push the bully in case he has a go at them next?

to be honest ted, i have no sympathy or tolerance for cheaters, but i have only apathy for those who back down from them. to me, thats even worse. just remember, its your game too - you are fully entitled to enjoy it, and to know you and your opponent are "doing it right". bullys arent worth the cowering, and the slinking around the gaming tables, egos and the fear of causing a scene.

the only reason he gets away with it is because people let him get away with it. So basically, man up a bit. you can take him on. and you can take back your game.

So, knowing that the group you're in will treat the person you are playing like they know the rules better than you, and is a better player because they win more games, and will side with them before you, and that you can't at that time prove that they are cheating to the full extent they are, and also knowing how badly it would damage your reputation, you would still choose to make a scene? Then what? Storm out , never to return? I don't intend to let him get away with it. But nor do I intend to have it spoil my ability to spend my hobby time with people I've come to like and respect...






PS, a "non-codex" chapter is one that doesn't follow the "Codex Astartes" to the letter(and is not a chapter that doesn't have it's own book).

ted1138 wrote:What's with some of the negative here? Read my op, and not just the title of the thread please(and yes, my parents did teach me not to cheat, and no, I'm not stupid).

Let me have a look. I won't know all of these but I should know some of them.

@JbR of the Endless Spire, I'll give you an example. At the start of his turn two, I said I was using my Kryptek's Staff of Light to make it Night Fighting. To which he shouted I couldn't as I'm meant to say so before his turn starts, ie, before I finished my turn 1, and before saying"it's your turn 2"(he'd already insisted at the beginning of the game that solar pulses should only work in Dawn of War deployment).

From what I know you state at the start of your turn NOT before your turn. I don't believe there is any restrictions to this on deployment type. That just sounds stupiud.

To clarify a little. Half the stuff he did that was cheating, I didn't know for sure was cheating(like telling me his drop pods can't deviate off the table,

A common misconception but drop pods can deviate off the table and mishap. The rule that stops them from a deep strike mishap is for impassable terrain or enemy/friendly units. Note if they land in dangerous terrain the drop pod takes a dangerous terrain test when doing so. So basically the drop pod will land just before reaching impassable terrain or other units by one inch and will land there instead of landing on top of them. If they completely pass over these things and over to the other side safely without landing on top of them then they will do that. However drop pods can still scatter off the table edge and mishap.

or that he could bring them on 1st turn,

A player can bring on half his drop pods rounded up first turn. So if he has one drop pod, he can bring it on first turn, if he has two drops then it is still one. If he has three drop pods then he bring on two and so on.

or that he could choose to roll for them or not, as he was playing a non "Codex" chapter),

False. The rule states that you MUST DO THIS. There is no option to say "I will reserve them all and roll for them later on in later game turns". Half of the drop pods, rounded up, come on first turn. The rest are held in reserve and are rolled for in later turns. He does however get to choose which ones he wants to come in first turn and what ones he wants to keep in reserve.

and the other stuff he could have just claimed was an honest mistake(like moving his land raider, firing both TL Lascannons, then using Machine spirit to fire the TL H.Bolters,

I believe he can fire one weapon after moving and then another one using power of the machine spirit. He can also fire all defensive weapons at S4 or lower. However heavy bolters are S5, so they shouldn't count.

or running a squad after moving his assault moves).

Yeah, you're not allowed to do that ruleswise. In a friendly game you might allow it if a player forgot to do it, but he has to ask your permission first. I would usually allow it if they ask for it. I'm quite lenient that way but I also expect my opponent to be reasonale as well if I'm then in a subsequent situation for the same thing.

Then there was the always positioning the blast templates over the target before rolling for scatter, just to make sure he gets the most hits if a "Hit" comes up, then claiming a model over to the side(who would have been the only one hit) was the actual target when it does deviate, thus not moving away from them, but right into the middle(there's no way of proving he was lying).

Yeah, that is cheating. You are supposed to declare a target model first for the blast template. Place the template over that targets head and then roll for scatter. He is not allowed to change his mind on what model the blast template is hitting after he rolls for scatter. If he did with with me, he would then be on the way to the hospital so a team of surgeons could remove said blast template from his rectum.


That guy sounds as if he was cheating big time. Next time just refuse to play him and say that you don't play against cheaters. If its a tournie and you really want to play then call him out on his rule breakings and stand up to him. You don't need to be aggressive, you just need to be firm. Just say to him "No, I'm sorry that is not the rule, I know it is not the rule, prove to me otherwise". If he gets aggressive then just say to him "You can get aggressive if you want but that doesn't change the fact that that is not the rule or how it works".

Testify wrote:Did you not have parents or something? Of course it's not okay to cheat

He just played a lot of dark eldar or WHFB Skaven, thats all.
Those things change you..