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Actual in the door ticket volumes have been on the decline for a decade however.

The Cinema's are just protecting themselves, you have a country with easy access to guns, it's a wonder they haven't done this earlier. They might have to implement higher security now, because they fear losing customers who are worried about it happening again. What you really have to do is look at gun ownership as a society. Not ask how to prevent a man packing weapons got into a cinema, because a shooting could happen anywhere, but ask why a nutter was able to stockpile a large amount of weapons and ammunition. Hell, with your litigation culture if the cinemas in future don't check people then they will probably get sued if some gak does go down because they didn't raise security as a response to this attack.

I do find it odd that some of the people complaining that private businesses, like cinemas, are going to check customers coming in to protect themselves and other customers from gun packing crazies, are the same people who will fight tooth and nail against gun control and effectively support the right for people to own heaps of guns and even carry them on the street in the first place.

You can't reasonably demand to have a country with easily accessible firearms and then complain when businesses, or anyone, take precautions against people bringing weapons onto their premises. We don't have to worry about this much in the UK because these sorts of shootings almost never happen. But in a country like the US, as gun ownership is widespread then precautions will be higher, it's an unfortunate consequence of demanding other freedoms.

I'm sure they did a projected loss of profit worse case to wishful thinking after this incident.


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Also preapring for the law suits thats going to happen due to them not ensuring the "backdoor" exits were not secured

Sure you can. Terrorist attacks can occur anywhere. Is everything going to involve TSA feelups and cancer causing X rays?

Why? We survived for thousands of years without that. e founded a nation based on individual rights. SO when a few wackjobs with a gun or bombvest go off we have to give up more of freedom? Man the ^*% up already.

Man the ^*% up already.

Your telling me this Frazz?



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Dammit Frazz I'm actually chuckling

Jihadin wrote:

Man the ^*% up already.

Your telling me this Frazz?

Its a general statement. Doesn't appliy to colonels on down

Howard A Treesong wrote:The Cinema's are just protecting themselves, you have a country with easy access to guns, it's a wonder they haven't done this earlier. They might have to implement higher security now, because they fear losing customers who are worried about it happening again. What you really have to do is look at gun ownership as a society. Not ask how to prevent a man packing weapons got into a cinema, because a shooting could happen anywhere, but ask why a nutter was able to stockpile a large amount of weapons and ammunition. Hell, with your litigation culture if the cinemas in future don't check people then they will probably get sued if some gak does go down because they didn't raise security as a response to this attack.

I do find it odd that some of the people complaining that private businesses, like cinemas, are going to check customers coming in to protect themselves and other customers from gun packing crazies, are the same people who will fight tooth and nail against gun control and effectively support the right for people to own heaps of guns and even carry them on the street in the first place.

You can't reasonably demand to have a country with easily accessible firearms and then complain when businesses, or anyone, take precautions against people bringing weapons onto their premises. We don't have to worry about this much in the UK because these sorts of shootings almost never happen. But in a country like the US, as gun ownership is widespread then precautions will be higher, it's an unfortunate consequence of demanding other freedoms.

At the same time though, had several people in that theatre been carrying guns, it is very likely that this person would have been dropped long before his gun jammed and he tried to run.

or if they had a proper emergency exit where you couldn't go out of it except for emergency.

I've been patted down (searched) at every NFL game I've been to, and no one opened fire at one of them. I've never felt my freedom was impinged upon as a result.

I've got the freedom to stay home and watch on TV, or to go to a place where I know they're doing 'safety' checks. I have the freedom to make that choice. (I might even have more freedom in this regard, than those fans without tickets, who don't have a choice and have to watch at home, as at least I get a choice).

If they put up scanners at theaters, it's not like anyone with a gun is making you go there. A theater is a private establishment, and if they want to make a purse check part of their entry process, it will be no different than any concert I've been to in the last 20 years.

djones520 wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:The Cinema's are just protecting themselves, you have a country with easy access to guns, it's a wonder they haven't done this earlier. They might have to implement higher security now, because they fear losing customers who are worried about it happening again. What you really have to do is look at gun ownership as a society. Not ask how to prevent a man packing weapons got into a cinema, because a shooting could happen anywhere, but ask why a nutter was able to stockpile a large amount of weapons and ammunition. Hell, with your litigation culture if the cinemas in future don't check people then they will probably get sued if some gak does go down because they didn't raise security as a response to this attack.

I do find it odd that some of the people complaining that private businesses, like cinemas, are going to check customers coming in to protect themselves and other customers from gun packing crazies, are the same people who will fight tooth and nail against gun control and effectively support the right for people to own heaps of guns and even carry them on the street in the first place.

You can't reasonably demand to have a country with easily accessible firearms and then complain when businesses, or anyone, take precautions against people bringing weapons onto their premises. We don't have to worry about this much in the UK because these sorts of shootings almost never happen. But in a country like the US, as gun ownership is widespread then precautions will be higher, it's an unfortunate consequence of demanding other freedoms.

At the same time though, had several people in that theatre been carrying guns, it is very likely that this person would have been dropped long before his gun jammed and he tried to run.

He shot teargas into a crowded, dark theater. No one could see a goddamn thing. If everyone had started shooting, just more people would've been killed.

Well, one more reason not to go to the theaters. As if I needed another reason to avoid those dismal places.

Redbeard wrote:I've been patted down (searched) at every NFL game I've been to, and no one opened fire at one of them. I've never felt my freedom was impinged upon as a result.

I've got the freedom to stay home and watch on TV, or to go to a place where I know they're doing 'safety' checks. I have the freedom to make that choice. (I might even have more freedom in this regard, than those fans without tickets, who don't have a choice and have to watch at home, as at least I get a choice).

If they put up scanners at theaters, it's not like anyone with a gun is making you go there. A theater is a private establishment, and if they want to make a purse check part of their entry process, it will be no different than any concert I've been to in the last 20 years.

I never cared enough about the raping that is professional sports to want to participate. The minor league hockey stuff, professional baseball, and college games I have been to, did not require such. I would not have gone through them if they did.

You guys think you have problems now?!

Wait until this bad boy is out.. and you know for a fact its going to eventually wind up getting installed in patrol cars so the police can see if you had controlled drugs at any time in the last 8 hours and can be retroactively arrested.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/07/11/new-homeland-security-laser-scanner-reads-people-at-molecular-level/

WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – The Department of Homeland Security will soon be using a laser at airports that can detect everything about you from over 160-feet away.

Gizmodo reports a scanner that could read people at the molecular level has been invented. This laser-based scanner – which can be used 164-feet away — could read everything from a person’s adrenaline levels, to traces of gun powder on a person’s clothes, to illegal substances — and it can all be done without a physical search. It also could be used on multiple people at a time, eliminating random searches at airports.

The laser-based scanner is expected to be used in airports as soon as 2013, Gizmodo reports.

The scanner is called the Picosecond Programmable Laser. The device works by blasting its target with lasers which vibrate molecules that are then read by the machine that determine what substances a person has been exposed to. This could be Semtex explosives to the bacon and egg sandwich they had for breakfast that morning.

The inventor of this invasive technology is Genia Photonics. Active since 2009, they hold 30 patents on laser technology designed for scanning. In 2011, they formed a partnership with In-Q-Tel, a company chartered by the CIA and Congress to build “a bridge between the Agency and a new set of technology innovators.”

Genia Photonics wouldn’t be the only ones with similar technology as George Washington University developed something similar in 2008, according to Gizmodo. The Russians also developed something akin to the Picosecond Programmable laser. The creators of that scanner claim that “it is even able to detect traces of explosives left by fingerprints.”

But what makes Genia Photonics’ version so special is that the machine is more compact compared to the other devices and can still maintain its incredible range.

djones520 wrote:At the same time though, had several people in that theatre been carrying guns, it is very likely that this person would have been dropped long before his gun jammed and he tried to run.

Yeah, like all the after action heroes said that they "totally would have dropped that guy" who was hassling and being really aggressive to some poor guy on the bus I was on the other day... after the guy had gotten off the bus and the bus was on the move again...

Even if one, or several people had decided to open fire on this guy in a dark theatre they probably would have ended up shooting each other and fellow movie goers in the confusion.

Melissia wrote:Well, one more reason not to go to the theaters. As if I needed another reason to avoid those dismal places.

Its getting to be that way. The only real advantage now is that I can eat popcorn there without Rodney attempting a swan dive into the bowl at every opportunity.

More reason to avoid airports....

SilverMK2 wrote:

djones520 wrote:At the same time though, had several people in that theatre been carrying guns, it is very likely that this person would have been dropped long before his gun jammed and he tried to run.

Yeah, like all the after action heroes said that they "totally would have dropped that guy" who was hassling and being really aggressive to some poor guy on the bus I was on the other day... after the guy had gotten off the bus and the bus was on the move again...

Even if one, or several people had decided to open fire on this guy in a dark theatre they probably would have ended up shooting each other and fellow movie goers in the confusion.

I don't get what your issue is. How am I going to "motivate" the popcorn line to hurry up without my gatt?

I swear the world is trying to turn me in to a HIkikomori.

Melissia wrote:More reason to avoid airports....

Your from Texas Melissia, like you would travel anyway!

Why I go to on post movie theater. Its cheaper for me...way cheaper...just have to wait a couple weeks after release to see it on the big screen. As for airport travel I go in uniform (since I'm always on orders) so I avoid the hassle that everyone else goes through

Frazzled wrote:I don't get what your issue is. How am I going to "motivate" the popcorn line to hurry up without my gatt?

Surely it is quicker to wait for someone else to just gun them down first?

They all ready serch you to go to concerts.

Even at my "big" company meeting that is held twice a year in a stadium, we get searched going in.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I don't get what your issue is. How am I going to "motivate" the popcorn line to hurry up without my gatt?

Surely it is quicker to wait for someone else to just gun them down first?

While I am a firm believer of the motto "why put off tomorrow what you can get someone else to do today," sometimes to get something done right, you just have to do it yourself.


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Easy E wrote:They all ready serch you to go to concerts.

Even at my "big" company meeting that is held twice a year in a stadium, we get searched going in.

I've never been searched at a concert. That includes U2, Chilis, Johnny Cash, and of course that drug crazed singer - Barney.

crazed singer - Barney

The issue is not killing Barney...the issue you killing yourself is the problem due to actually seeing Barney....live...for 30 min at least...in person...no way to get out of it....

There is no way in hell that in the middle of whitebread Michigan I will put up with searches before I go into movie theatres. If that happens we might as well have searches in the entrance of every single place that people congregate-shopping malls, churches, the DMV, Walmart, etc.

As stated before, the problem isn't that a guy was able to smuggle guns into a movie theatre. It's that he used the emergency exit that is supposed to be locked from the outside. A search to get in wouldn't have done anything, because it's not like he was sneaking in his RIFLE and SHOTGUN under his shirt.......

All it will do is take forever to get into the movies, and further knee-jerk rulings and actions. When exactly was the last cinema shooting spree? Ever?? I don't wanna have to go to the theatre an hour early just to have time to get through security, ala the airport. Half the last movies I have gone to involved a last minute decision with friends and a fun, mad rush to get to a showing.

It is by far one of the least things to live a paranoid life about.

Agreed.

mattyrm wrote:

Melissia wrote:More reason to avoid airports....

Your from Texas Melissia, like you would travel anyway!

I have family in California, and I do occasionally like to go skiing.

As stated before, the problem isn't that a guy was able to smuggle guns into a movie theatre. It's that he used the emergency exit that is supposed to be locked from the outside. A search to get in wouldn't have done anything, because it's not like he was sneaking in his RIFLE and SHOTGUN under his shirt.......

He didn't smuggle the weapons in

Federal law enforcement sources tell ABC News that Holmes bought a ticket to the movie, slipped out of the theater once it began and propped open the emergency exit before gathering his weapons and gear and coming back into the theater. Once inside, he opened fire.

from
http://gma.yahoo.com/colorado-batman-movie-shooting-suspect-phd-student-085940589--abc-news-topstories.html

I dont see it happening really. Not to mention I dont goto movies anyways, sooooo

AegisGrimm wrote:There is no way in hell that in the middle of whitebread Michigan I will put up with searches before I go into movie theatres. If that happens we might as well have searches in the entrance of every single place that people congregate-shopping malls, churches, the DMV, Walmart, etc.

The problem is that it is apparently very easy to get hold of highly dangerous weapons. Easy enough in fact for a lunatic to get them, as has happened here. Either you restrict access to those weapons, which obviously won't happen, or you have to take precautions about their potential usage by said psychopaths. I went to Tel Aviv a couple of years ago, you get scanned and searched every time you go into a cinema or shopping mall. In Israel there is a very real danger of someone planting a bomb or blowing themselves up in a shopping mall, and so the government and state, in fulfilling its primary function, does what it can to stop that happening.

It is by far one of the least things to live a paranoid life about.

I'm constantly amazed by the human capacity to become used to elements of danger in their everyday lives, to the point where they don't really consciously acknowledge it. I Watched a program the other night about a group of poor people in Vietnam, who make money wandering into dense undergrowth, and areas they know to contain live ordinance/unexploded bombs, so they can collect scrap metal for money. Asked if they worried about it, they just shrug their shoulders and say that it's part of their daily life. I'm sure most people who read this forum (Vietnamese bomb collectors excluded) would be positively horrified at the thought of living so dangerously.

As a Brit, and having grown up in a life surrounded by cotton wool compared to probably a good 95% of the earth's population, the thought of people wandering around with the capacity to kill a finger move away, I find absolutely unconscionable. I got posting rights removed from a certain other forum because I got into a discussion with an American chap about this issue after he had posted pictures of his models but with handgun in holster in plain view (presumably inadvertently). In a shop, with kids in it. Despite his protestations of being martial arts-level whatever, and therefore able to stop anyone making a grab for the gun, if I were a parent with a kid in the shop I'm not sure if it is anything I could ever learn to cope with. I guess a lot of it comes down to the kind of environment you grow up in, what you are used to and what is seen as being an acceptable part of daily life. I did have a similar experience living in Korea, a country with by far the most RTAs in the developed world, and again an element of danger that I wasn't used to. Although I must say I somehow found taxi drivers zig-zagging at 50mph through traffic to be somewhat less unsettling than the above gun-related example. I guess it must be a cultural thing, and on that front I don't think attitudes could be more different on either side of the Atlantic.