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C:SM Scout Sergeant Telion makes a pretty sweet gunner! BS6 and all wounds he inflicts with shooting count as 'precision strikes'. And the scout squad with camo cloaks and stealth (from Telion) will be pretty hard to remove with 2+ cover saves.

Just throwing this out there, but is there anything to stop TFG from placing impasible terrain right behind your Aegis Defense line, so that you can't put anything behind it?

I thought about buying and ADL for my Daemon army but it occurred to me that if my enemy has any units with infiltrate, they could do so on top of my ADL and use it to shoot my models as they enter play via DS.

undertow wrote:I thought about buying and ADL for my Daemon army but it occurred to me that if my enemy has any units with infiltrate, they could do so on top of my ADL and use it to shoot my models as they enter play via DS.

I've seen Deathleaper do it once. Then blasted the rear armor of a storm talon and crashed it with the guys own quad-gun. Don't think that will happen often though.

Good god that is hilarious, Gloomfang! I usually have an infiltrator. I'm gonna do this to anyone who saves that spot for their own infiltrator if I win the roll to place mine first lol. Or against my buddy's daemons. He'll be pissed =)


Edit: removed double post.

Really funny thing was there was someone shooting it on the space marine side. Caused a lot of looking up the rules.
But the quad-gun is a piece of terrain, not an enemy model.
The base of the gun was over 1".
The rules state that anyone in BTb with the gun can fire it in the shooting phase.

So he popped out DL in BtB with the gun, but more that 1" from the marine model also in BtB and shot it with his shooting attack the turn he came out.

The marine always bubble wraps his guns now.

Just keep in mind the Dreadlord could only have fired Snapshots with the Quad-gun if he did that. The DL doesn't have the Relentless rule and Quad-guns are Heavy and don;t have relentless.

Grey Templar wrote:Just keep in mind the Dreadlord could only have fired Snapshots with the Quad-gun if he did that. The DL doesn't have the Relentless rule and Quad-guns are Heavy and don;t have relentless.

Not sure it works that way. Gun emplacements are immobile so they can't move and fire. I belive the rules state the gun is the fireing unit, not the models who's BS your are using. The only restriction is the model can not use any other shooting attacks.

Might need to take that one to YMDC.

Coteaz with divination plus two monkeys and a couple bullet catchers with an Icarus.

I'm running Uriah with battle conclave with quad gun. Put the line 6" forward of your deployment zone and walk into it first turn. Dare someone to try to take your quad gun.

What i do with my mock defense line made from scrap plastic and usually a sentinal i borrow to act as the gun. i have a havoc squad with the usual 2 autos/ 2 missles sit in it and pummle anything i can hurt with it. oh and i usually have a mini squad of csm to move up if my havocs run or die.

Armadeus wrote:Just throwing this out there, but is there anything to stop TFG from placing impasible terrain right behind your Aegis Defense line, so that you can't put anything behind it?

pg 120 (If you're using those rules) says you cannont place terrain within 3" of another terrain piece - therefore there will always be at least a little bit of room to deploy models between the ADL and the impassable terrain.

I'd be more concerned that these stupid f$#%ing rules would allow your opponent to place LOS blocking terrain right *in front* of your fortification...... like you didnt realise there was a massive mountain in the way when you set up your temporary gun emplacement


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Oh, it also means you can't join your ADL to some ruins for those guys who wanted to give their quad gun a 3++

Gloomfang wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Just keep in mind the Dreadlord could only have fired Snapshots with the Quad-gun if he did that. The DL doesn't have the Relentless rule and Quad-guns are Heavy and don;t have relentless.

Not sure it works that way. Gun emplacements are immobile so they can't move and fire. I belive the rules state the gun is the fireing unit, not the models who's BS your are using. The only restriction is the model can not use any other shooting attacks.

Might need to take that one to YMDC.

Nope, the manning model fires the Gun Emplacement instead of his other weapons. He isn't giving the weapon his BS and special rules. All normal rules and regulations still apply.

Agreed.
However in the case of Deathleaper (or lictors/marbo in general I suppose), it might still work. The model just appears on the table, and so hasn't actually moved in the movement phase (it even forbids you from doing so). Unless arriving from reserves counts as moving, the deathleaper would be able to use his normal BS when firing the gun emplacement.

karlosovic wrote:

Armadeus wrote:Just throwing this out there, but is there anything to stop TFG from placing impasible terrain right behind your Aegis Defense line, so that you can't put anything behind it?

pg 120 (If you're using those rules) says you cannont place terrain within 3" of another terrain piece - therefore there will always be at least a little bit of room to deploy models between the ADL and the impassable terrain.

I'd be more concerned that these stupid f$#%ing rules would allow your opponent to place LOS blocking terrain right *in front* of your fortification...... like you didnt realise there was a massive mountain in the way when you set up your temporary gun emplacement


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Oh, it also means you can't join your ADL to some ruins for those guys who wanted to give their quad gun a 3++

If your opponent does that and you are playing IG you kindly thank him, place your objectives (in an objective game ofc) behind along with all your artillery pieces and a cheap infantry squad or two spread to interdict DS units landing there

M.

I know Necrons don't really need the help with AA with all the tesla but I saw a post on a blog that I liked. Small troop to take wounds and a harbinger of eternity with a cronometron. Re rolls hit or pen or damage result. Nasty. I have not tried it yet so unconfirmed. Just a good idea I thought I would share. Sorry op it was not for BA.

Dev squad with missiles sounds best I think with the quad gun. Dual purpose as AA and AI + A light transport.

Leman Russ with Camo Netting. 2+ Cover.

3+, Aegis lines give 4+ cover. So 3+ with Camo netting.

They are a Fortification aren't they?

No, a defense line.

phantommaster wrote:They are a Fortification aren't they?

Yes, but their own specific rules overrule the general Fortification rule. Hence a 4+ cover.

I never really thought about fire dragons in a defense line so the exarch can shoot the gun. He could do some amazing things with it. But the cheapest that unit could cost is 112 points i believe plus the expense of the defense line. So that isnt to cheap. Plus the rest of the dragons will be pretty much a waste as nothing should come within 12".

I was leaning towards something more like a group of 10 rangers with one manning the gun and my unit of 3 war walkers all behind the line. Then My fragile walkers gets their 4+ cover against all the hate that comes their way. I would place an objective marker in there too if the game permitted. If I ran a 2 farseer army, I could have one with the group of rangers. He could take the new powers So I would definitely have prescience and hopefully misfortune. If I wanted to be safe I would take a guide/fortune seer. Guide and fortune the walkers and man the gun with the seers BS 5. Then my Other seer(Eldrad) could be out on the field casting doom on whatever the rangers were shooting at (or the walkers).

On paper that sounds great. Don't know if it would work in the game

Id never use an aegis defense line in my group. We have 2 bastions wich always get used as cover. So after i deploy my defense line, my opponent will deploy a bastion 3 inch in front of it, rendering its gun quite usesless.

So the bastion is being used as terrain? So basically he is giving you a 3+ coversave piece of terrain in the game right in front of your 4+ cover save?

I would be plenty happy with that.

pretre wrote:So the bastion is being used as terrain? So basically he is giving you a 3+ coversave piece of terrain in the game right in front of your 4+ cover save?

I would be plenty happy with that.

It's really effective vs FoR. Drop LOS blocking stuff right in front of the rockets - win. After people did this thrice to that player, he didn't use it again

The fortress of Redemption's missiles are Barrage...

Razgriz22 wrote:I never really thought about fire dragons in a defense line so the exarch can shoot the gun. He could do some amazing things with it. But the cheapest that unit could cost is 112 points i believe plus the expense of the defense line. So that isnt to cheap. Plus the rest of the dragons will be pretty much a waste as nothing should come within 12".

Now that's a nice idea, given that the Exarch could give the gun Tank Hunters and Crack Shot. I wouldn't say the rest of the unit is wasted, as they will still be able to keep a 12" area of board control around the gun and can scare the likes of Termies or Land Raiders coming near your lines. If there is a home objective nearby they can save that scoring unit you have camped on it a lot of hassle. In fact you could probably deploy the line in such a way that you have your Dragons and gun on the frontline and the Rangers a bit back with a barrier themselves on an objective.