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2012/08/02 03:45:38
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...
I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.
I'm starting to understand your opinion of the Imperium
Which is? Not offended mind, just curious, in case you might have misunderstood.
Well you know...Imperial cult,sisters,inqusition,high lords -bad, very bad
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 03:47:46
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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DatrhMarko wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...
I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.
I'm starting to understand your opinion of the Imperium
Which is? Not offended mind, just curious, in case you might have misunderstood.
Well you know...Imperial cult,sisters,inqusition,high lords -bad, very bad
I can tolerate the Inquisition (except for the Khornate Knights...Daemonhunters FTW), but the other three, you've got it right. The Emperor would be horrified at the very existence of the first two, and the last have effectively proven themselves failures of the Emperor's trust in their inability to prevent the Imperium's slide to stagnation and decay.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 03:53:54
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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I'still don't understand Khornate Knights:-)I' mean wtf....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 03:58:34
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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DatrhMarko wrote:I'still don't understand Khornate Knights:-)I' mean wtf....
The new, Ward Codex for the Grey Knights...the term 'Khornate' comes from them butchering Sisters so they can use their blood in a means disturbingly similar to blood magic to fight against Khornate Daemons.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 03:59:07
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...
I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.
Meh, the Astartes could use some degree of centralized control, the whole reason the Babad War happened was because everyone let Huron do whatever he wanted until it was too late and an outright war was inevitable.
DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons wrote:Well, the Minotaurs have been relied on many times to either destroy renegade chapters or bring them back into line, and considering that they have a very close connection to the high lords of terra, are from the 21st founding, and have lots of terminator armour and Mk VIII power armour, they might very well have been designed from the ground up to kill other marines. At the very least they are skilled enough that their chapter master gives them preferred enemy against space marines. Plus, if the Lamenters punishment was anything remotely considered standard procedure, the Minotaurs probably have a lot of looted equipment considering that they stole a lot of the Lamenters' ships after the Babad war.
On the topic of 21st founding chapters, the Flame Falcons were a chapter that quite literally burst into flames that didn't harm them. Viewing this as related to chaos in some way (the Flame Falcons apparently didn't) the Grey Knights were sent in to destroy them.
Finally there are the space wolves, who were sent in to arrest Magnus (nothing more, Horus ordered Horus to kill Magnus, which didn't even mean he expected Russ to win, hell if Russ lost Horus is probably better off in the long run), and had some implications that they were involved in conflicts against the two missing legions. While I view the idea that they are some speshul mahreen hunters stupid, they were apparently trusted to be able to defeat the 1K Sons with support from the Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence, and did defeat them.
As far as size goes, the Minotaurs are codex strength, but can create new marines at a truly astonishing rate, the Grey Knights also number about 1000 strong as well, although they aren't able to replace losses quickly, and the Space Wolves arre over strength, although I do not know by how much. However, the Minotaurs are unique in that they almost always operate as a single chapter, giving them a larger force than most other chapters would be able to field in any location.
Do you have like IQ of "86" or something?Did you read any book?Horus removed "one of the toughest" legion out of his way (to Terra ofc), to destroy one legion who could hurt him(quote from the book) ....
And no 345623 founding chapter could top any first - in ANY WAY...
Nothing I said goes against what you said at all. He was ordered to bring Magnus to Terra, Horus changed his orders, he had support from the Sisters of Silence and some Custodes. Also, do you have any objective proof to support the idea that a first founding chapter will always win against a non-first founding chapter? Are we including everyone who will join them? If we are then we might as well include everyone that will support the High Lords of Terra and make this an outright civil war scenario.
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2012/08/02 04:03:39
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Buttons wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...
I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.
Meh, the Astartes could use some degree of centralized control, the whole reason the Babad War happened was because everyone let Huron do whatever he wanted until it was too late and an outright war was inevitable.
*Knock, knock, is anyone in there?* Centralizing the Astartes command would kinda ruin the point of the Astartes Chapters - highly-mobile, semi-autonomous, specialized, elite strike forces. Centralize their command and control, and you might as well re-integrate the legions. Not that I have any problems with that... Buttons wrote: Also, do you have any objective proof to support the idea that a first founding chapter will always win against a non-first founding chapter? Are we including everyone who will join them? If we are then we might as well include everyone that will support the High Lords of Terra and make this an outright civil war scenario.
Space Wolves would be joined by the Dark Angels...since the other Unforgiven still consider themselves as the First Legion in all but name (give me an Unforgiven Chapter that does acknowledge the authority of Lord Azrael and the Inner Circle), they would follow the Dark Angels lead and might even re-integrate themselves. The Mechanicum might play sides - wait until they see which side can give them more 'incentives'. Other Chapters aren't really fond of the High Lords either, they'd probably keep quiet and stay away unless the Wolves and Dark Angels fall to Chaos (impossible), or they're made to choose sides. Off course, they'd side with their cousins.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 04:15:04
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Tadashi wrote:Buttons wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...
I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.
Meh, the Astartes could use some degree of centralized control, the whole reason the Babad War happened was because everyone let Huron do whatever he wanted until it was too late and an outright war was inevitable.
*Knock, knock, is anyone in there?*
Centralizing the Astartes command would kinda ruin the point of the Astartes Chapters - highly-mobile, semi-autonomous, specialized, elite strike forces. Centralize their command and control, and you might as well re-integrate the legions. Not that I have any problems with that...
They don't need outright centralized control, just from a purely logical perspective (as in if I lived in the universe as a human, ignoring the fun of fluff completely) the astartes would benefit from tighter reigns. For example, limit the mini empires that some chapters form, keep a tighter restriction on sizes (the idea of a 1000 man limit is pretty useless if every who will revolt anyway disregards it (see Astral Claws)), make sure everyone pays their tithes, directly reward chapters for going where the high lords of terra say where they would like them to go (still have autonomy, but have greater incentive to go where a centralized structure would like them to go). They don't need to have a "Space Marine King" who has a seat on the High Lords of Terra and tells every chapter where to go, but humanity would benefit from a greater degree of control over the astartes.
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2012/08/02 04:15:21
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Buttons
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 04:20:22
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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DatrhMarko wrote:
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
The worst thing they can do is take on the Ultramarines...every Ultramarine-descended Chapter (that means three-fifths of all Chapters) will turn on the Imperium, seeing as they all consider themselves as Ultramarines in all but name (like the Unforgiven). Not to mention all those Chapters descended from traitor legion loyalists absorbed into the Ultramarines during the anarchy of the Horus Heresy. Or, the good relationship between the Mechanicum and the Ultramarines, and the fact that Ultima Segmentum is the Ultramarines Empire in all but name. You'd have the entire Imperial hinterland up in flames and marching on Terra and Ophelia VII, while Mars would close its doors to the High Lords and re-direct its resources elsewhere. And if the High Lords and their lackeys make the mistake of forcing the other Chapters to pick sides, well, you might as well consider all known 18 legions as 'traitors'.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 04:26:19
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
The worst thing they can do is take on the Ultramarines...every Ultramarine-descended Chapter (that means three-fifths of all Chapters) will turn on the Imperium, seeing as they all consider themselves as Ultramarines in all but name (like the Unforgiven). Not to mention all those Chapters descended from traitor legion loyalists absorbed into the Ultramarines during the anarchy of the Horus Heresy. Or, the good relationship between the Mechanicum and the Ultramarines, and the fact that Ultima Segmentum is the Ultramarines Empire in all but name. You'd have the entire Imperial hinterland up in flames and marching on Terra and Ophelia VII, while Mars would close its doors to the High Lords and re-direct its resources elsewhere. And if the High Lords and their lackeys make the mistake of forcing the other Chapters to pick sides, well, you might as well consider all known 18 legions as 'traitors'.
And you forgot the Emperor himself - I'think even in a meatbag-spirit state he would have something to say...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 04:27:14
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Tadashi wrote:
Buttons wrote: Also, do you have any objective proof to support the idea that a first founding chapter will always win against a non-first founding chapter? Are we including everyone who will join them? If we are then we might as well include everyone that will support the High Lords of Terra and make this an outright civil war scenario.
Space Wolves would be joined by the Dark Angels...since the other Unforgiven still consider themselves as the First Legion in all but name (give me an Unforgiven Chapter that does acknowledge the authority of Lord Azrael and the Inner Circle), they would follow the Dark Angels lead and might even re-integrate themselves. The Mechanicum might play sides - wait until they see which side can give them more 'incentives'. Other Chapters aren't really fond of the High Lords either, they'd probably keep quiet and stay away unless the Wolves and Dark Angels fall to Chaos (impossible), or they're made to choose sides. Off course, they'd side with their cousins.
Well if the Space Wolves hypothetically did something severe enough for the High Lords of Terra to declare outright war on them I can imagine that much of the Imperial Guard will support them, a few chapters that actively hate the Wolves or Unforgiven, as well as chapters like the Minotaurs would likely take their side. As for Space Wolves never falling to Chaos, there is a story in 4th ed CSM codex of a Space Wolf ship being boarded by the Red Corsairs, and towards the end of the boarding action several Space Wolves turned on their brothers and joined the Red Corsairs, so they can fall to chaos, although the entire chapter falling is extremely likely to the point where I would say that it is pretty much impossible.
Either way, I think we should only compare chapters individually. Sure the Ultramarines can bring 600,000 space marines to fight for them, but they shouldn't be considered in a hypothetical battle. Now, can the Ultramarines defeat any other chapter if they were able to call up there successors? Probably. Could the Raven Guard and Dark Angels and any other chapter do the same? Sure. But the point of these hypotheticals isn't to see who has more allies, it is to see which chapter is more capable overall of achieving victory using their own numbers. Now, if it was just the Minotaurs vs. the Space Wolves, would the Space Wolves win? Probably, they are larger, and are a fine chapter, but saying that a first founding chapter will always win is ignorant, there are hundreds of space marine chapters, and you are telling me that none of those hundreds of chapters can defeat the Ultramarines or the Raven Guard or the Iron Hands in a one on one battle?
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2012/08/02 04:30:54
Subject: A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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There were Space Wolves who fell to Chaos during the Badab Uprising. The Wolves are not immune to Chaos in any way, shape, or form.
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2012/08/02 04:30:56
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DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
What ability do the space wolves have? I was just stating that they aren't some super astartes legion designed by the emperor just to kill their brothers if they ever go renegade. I din't claim that the Minotaurs were some special marine killers either (or at least I didn't intend to), just that their rules and history show that they have an unsettling amount of experience against conventional (non-chaos) space marines.
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2012/08/02 04:38:42
Subject: A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Buttons wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
What ability do the space wolves have? I was just stating that they aren't some super astartes legion designed by the emperor just to kill their brothers if they ever go renegade. I din't claim that the Minotaurs were some special marine killers either (or at least I didn't intend to), just that their rules and history show that they have an unsettling amount of experience against conventional (non-chaos) space marines.
Ability for despite being ruthless animals teaching chaos "meaning of fear" they still treat man with respect and are utterly loyal to the Emperor, not corrupt system...
That counts right?And do I' need to qoute ADB:The First War wasn’t the Grey Knights’ war; it belonged to the heroes of Armageddon, and a certain famous Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes that likes to run in packs and howl at the moon.
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 04:40:08
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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DatrhMarko wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
The worst thing they can do is take on the Ultramarines...every Ultramarine-descended Chapter (that means three-fifths of all Chapters) will turn on the Imperium, seeing as they all consider themselves as Ultramarines in all but name (like the Unforgiven). Not to mention all those Chapters descended from traitor legion loyalists absorbed into the Ultramarines during the anarchy of the Horus Heresy. Or, the good relationship between the Mechanicum and the Ultramarines, and the fact that Ultima Segmentum is the Ultramarines Empire in all but name. You'd have the entire Imperial hinterland up in flames and marching on Terra and Ophelia VII, while Mars would close its doors to the High Lords and re-direct its resources elsewhere. And if the High Lords and their lackeys make the mistake of forcing the other Chapters to pick sides, well, you might as well consider all known 18 legions as 'traitors'.
And you forgot the Emperor himself - I'think even in a meatbag-spirit state he would have something to say...
Yeah, especially if the Astartes manage to convince the Custodes to allow an audience. Once they air their grievances, the old man will NOT be happy. Who would he trust, a prima donna bureaucrat or an Astartes who he personally 'scanned' during the audience? It doesn't even have to go like that...Sisters/Guardsmen closing on Mars or other pro-Astartes Forge Worlds just disappear in 'freak' Warp Storms later revealed to be the work of the Emperor once the Astartes reach Terra and have an audience. DatrhMarko wrote:
Ability for despite being ruthless animals teaching chaos "meaning of fear" they still treat man with respect and are utterly loyal to the Emperor,not corrupt system...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 06:42:00
Subject: A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
What ability do the space wolves have? I was just stating that they aren't some super astartes legion designed by the emperor just to kill their brothers if they ever go renegade. I din't claim that the Minotaurs were some special marine killers either (or at least I didn't intend to), just that their rules and history show that they have an unsettling amount of experience against conventional (non-chaos) space marines.
Ability for despite being ruthless animals teaching chaos "meaning of fear" they still treat man with respect and are utterly loyal to the Emperor, not corrupt system...
That counts right?And do I' need to qoute ADB:The First War wasn’t the Grey Knights’ war; it belonged to the heroes of Armageddon, and a certain famous Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes that likes to run in packs and howl at the moon.
Any specific powers besides being part wolf? They are still conventional astartes with no abilities (to my knowledge) that makes them better able to kill marines than any other chapter.
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2012/08/02 06:49:02
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Trondheim wrote:Minotaurs
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This basically sums it up the most infamous being the Carcaradons and Minatours.
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2012/08/02 07:19:19
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Buttons wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
What ability do the space wolves have? I was just stating that they aren't some super astartes legion designed by the emperor just to kill their brothers if they ever go renegade. I din't claim that the Minotaurs were some special marine killers either (or at least I didn't intend to), just that their rules and history show that they have an unsettling amount of experience against conventional (non-chaos) space marines.
Ability for despite being ruthless animals teaching chaos "meaning of fear" they still treat man with respect and are utterly loyal to the Emperor, not corrupt system...
That counts right?And do I' need to qoute ADB:The First War wasn’t the Grey Knights’ war; it belonged to the heroes of Armageddon, and a certain famous Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes that likes to run in packs and howl at the moon.
Any specific powers besides being part wolf? They are still conventional astartes with no abilities (to my knowledge) that makes them better able to kill marines than any other chapter.
Being part Wolf is one of their main powers (enhanced senses),they would sniff a 56789 founding chapter with no fluff in a 5 light year radius -but I dont wanna start vague discussion with you...just read ONE book, please(I prefer TS,Prospero burns,Emperors gift,Battle of the Fang) - then you ll know something on SONS OF RUSS- I'll read about your Minotaurs(wait - there is a book's of them,yes)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 07:41:46
Subject: A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Buttons wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Buttons
The way I reacted is beacause of your obvious opinion on ability SW have...and do you think any first founding chapter would sit on idle while their brothers are attacked from the Inquisition and their unknown "primarch" legions...It would BE another HERESY (this time imperium would be Horus)
What ability do the space wolves have? I was just stating that they aren't some super astartes legion designed by the emperor just to kill their brothers if they ever go renegade. I din't claim that the Minotaurs were some special marine killers either (or at least I didn't intend to), just that their rules and history show that they have an unsettling amount of experience against conventional (non-chaos) space marines.
Ability for despite being ruthless animals teaching chaos "meaning of fear" they still treat man with respect and are utterly loyal to the Emperor, not corrupt system... That counts right?And do I' need to qoute ADB:The First War wasn’t the Grey Knights’ war; it belonged to the heroes of Armageddon, and a certain famous Chapter of the Adeptus Astartes that likes to run in packs and howl at the moon.
Any specific powers besides being part wolf? They are still conventional astartes with no abilities (to my knowledge) that makes them better able to kill marines than any other chapter.
You do realize the reason Horus wanted the Wolves and Sons to destroy each other was because those two legions, if ever they put aside their differences, would be unstoppable. The most unlikely (and possibly one that would give even Sanguinius or Angron grief) Primarch and deadliest Primarch pairing are Magnus and Russ. Think about it...who stand against the Wolf and Crimson Kings if they stood side by side. The Sons are now a lost cause (unless the Blood Ravens are Thousand Sons), but the Wolves are still one of the worst enemies one can ever ask for.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 08:23:20
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Irony is -there's like galaxy full of enemies-but noooooo,wolves are bad and DA are bad- "I" is good +mind controlled astartes with no primarch are best....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 08:29:05
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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DatrhMarko wrote:Irony is -there's like galaxy full of enemies-but noooooo,wolves are bad and DA are bad- "I" is good +mind controlled astartes with no primarch are best....
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Technically...Blood Ravens 'don't have' a Primarch...and not all Chapters without a Primarch work for the Inquisition. Lots of Chapters out there with no Primarchs. And we don't work for the Inquisition...they keep a close eye on us for our psyker-heavy and scholarly doctrines
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 08:34:35
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Irony is -there's like galaxy full of enemies-but noooooo,wolves are bad and DA are bad- "I" is good +mind controlled astartes with no primarch are best....
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Technically...Blood Ravens 'don't have' a Primarch...and not all Chapters without a Primarch work for the Inquisition. Lots of Chapters out there with no Primarchs. And we don't work for the Inquisition...they keep a close eye on us for our psyker-heavy and scholarly doctrines
You know what I mean...gues I'm a 30k guy...and so are you...right?
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 08:46:11
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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DatrhMarko wrote:Tadashi wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:Irony is -there's like galaxy full of enemies-but noooooo,wolves are bad and DA are bad- "I" is good +mind controlled astartes with no primarch are best....
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Technically...Blood Ravens 'don't have' a Primarch...and not all Chapters without a Primarch work for the Inquisition. Lots of Chapters out there with no Primarchs. And we don't work for the Inquisition...they keep a close eye on us for our psyker-heavy and scholarly doctrines
You know what I mean...gues I'm a 30k guy...and so are you...right?
Oh yes...just like how those guys at Istvaan III personified all that was good and noble in their legions...the Fourth Fellowship did the same for their legion. And we continue that legacy...Magnus did us a favor by sending our predecessors from Prospero. Only then could we see how far our legion had fallen.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 08:56:36
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For me , the main problem of 40k is to much inquisition..and to much chapters with xxx power who serve yyy....thats is like repeating all the time...
I sticking to Heresy from this day on (tonight I've red " Emperor's gift " so that is liable statment)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 09:15:51
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DatrhMarko wrote:For me , the main problem of 40k is to much inquisition..and to much chapters with xxx power who serve yyy....thats is like repeating all the time...
I sticking to Heresy from this day on (tonight I've red " Emperor's gift " so that is liable statment)
Which brings me nicely on to my chapter suggestion (you can help me here Marko).
At the end of the book the Inquisition brings in a full Chapter of Space Marines, I can't remember which Chapter it was though - I keep thinking Red Hunters. Do you know which one I mean Marko? They were absolutely fanatical and the GK's didn't relish the thought of having to go toe to toe with them.
So, they were fanatical (check), loyal to the Inquisition (check), partly there to hunt other SM's (check), and, gaming wise, you'd be able to choose between running codex rules with Khan for a biker army, or Black Templars to highlight their zeal and fanaticism.
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2012/08/02 09:23:44
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kitch102 wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:For me , the main problem of 40k is to much inquisition..and to much chapters with xxx power who serve yyy....thats is like repeating all the time...
I sticking to Heresy from this day on (tonight I've red " Emperor's gift " so that is liable statment)
Which brings me nicely on to my chapter suggestion (you can help me here Marko).
At the end of the book the Inquisition brings in a full Chapter of Space Marines, I can't remember which Chapter it was though - I keep thinking Red Hunters. Do you know which one I mean Marko? They were absolutely fanatical and the GK's didn't relish the thought of having to go toe to toe with them.
So, they were fanatical (check), loyal to the Inquisition (check), partly there to hunt other SM's (check), and, gaming wise, you'd be able to choose between running codex rules with Khan for a biker army, or Black Templars to highlight their zeal and fanaticism.
Yep btw ,they are just mad heretics...and they wouldn't stand a chance against Bjorn,Logan (best fighter in imperium imho)and the rest of happy family
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/02 09:26:20
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Crimson Fists
I was going to say these guys, good shout.
They took out the Sons of Gideon and Marines Vigilant., but they seemed to have moved away from this old background and don't mention it anymore.
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I'm just wondering why the Inquisition doesn't make a move, or did I miss something and the SW are best buddies with an influential Inquisitor who would be able to watch their backs?
Ragnar's Claw has them work with the Inquisition, I don't know much more than that as I haven't read the book, but maybe some relationship was formed there?
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2012/08/02 09:31:00
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I kind of agree that none of the newer chapters would be able to stand up to a 1st or 2nd founding chapter in a stand up fight, for starters there fleets and planetary defences were built with lost technologies, and even if they weren't 10000 years of building weapons emplacments is nasty.
plus if it gets realy nasty they would crack open their amoury/vaults and start handing out conversion beamers and other dark age goodies left right and centre they might be to valuble to use normaly but in an armagedon situation, why not
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2012/08/02 09:56:00
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kitch102 wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:For me , the main problem of 40k is to much inquisition..and to much chapters with xxx power who serve yyy....thats is like repeating all the time...
I sticking to Heresy from this day on (tonight I've red " Emperor's gift " so that is liable statment)
Which brings me nicely on to my chapter suggestion (you can help me here Marko).
At the end of the book the Inquisition brings in a full Chapter of Space Marines, I can't remember which Chapter it was though - I keep thinking Red Hunters. Do you know which one I mean Marko? They were absolutely fanatical and the GK's didn't relish the thought of having to go toe to toe with them.
So, they were fanatical (check), loyal to the Inquisition (check), partly there to hunt other SM's (check), and, gaming wise, you'd be able to choose between running codex rules with Khan for a biker army, or Black Templars to highlight their zeal and fanaticism.
Traitors in all but name...an Astartes' loyalty should NOT be to the High Lords or the Inquisition, but to the Emperor and their Primarch. They are unworthy to bear the title 'Astartes'.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/08/02 10:28:05
Subject: Re:A SM chapter that hunt other SM chapter traitor or suspected to be traitors..
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Tadashi wrote:kitch102 wrote:DatrhMarko wrote:For me , the main problem of 40k is to much inquisition..and to much chapters with xxx power who serve yyy....thats is like repeating all the time...
I sticking to Heresy from this day on (tonight I've red " Emperor's gift " so that is liable statment)
Which brings me nicely on to my chapter suggestion (you can help me here Marko).
At the end of the book the Inquisition brings in a full Chapter of Space Marines, I can't remember which Chapter it was though - I keep thinking Red Hunters. Do you know which one I mean Marko? They were absolutely fanatical and the GK's didn't relish the thought of having to go toe to toe with them.
So, they were fanatical (check), loyal to the Inquisition (check), partly there to hunt other SM's (check), and, gaming wise, you'd be able to choose between running codex rules with Khan for a biker army, or Black Templars to highlight their zeal and fanaticism.
Traitors in all but name...an Astartes' loyalty should NOT be to the High Lords or the Inquisition, but to the Emperor and their Primarch. They are unworthy to bear the title 'Astartes'.
Did you read Emperor's gift ? There's a fine line there which separates true loyalist and religius fanatics...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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