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Hi all.

I don't know where and when but I'm almost sure to remember about a SM chapter called to investigate (to hunt in fact) other SM chapters considered suspect by the inquisition and/or the lords of terra.

Does anyone of you remember something more about this chapter? If does really exist of course..

I'm looking for the Imperium Bounty Hunters

Normally, the task of purging errant Marine Chapters falls to elite strike teams of the Adepta Sororitas, but the Inquisition does have close ties to a number of Space Marine Chapters as well. Most obviously there are the Grey Knights, and though they are specialized in fighting daemons they can, in theory, also be deployed against other threats if need be. Then there is the Exorcists Chapter, a little experiment by the Ordo Malleus to create more Space Marines with a high resistance against daemonic possession. Finally, the Red Hunters spring to mind, but little is known about them other than them being close to the Inquisition (close enough to frequently work side by side with Inquisitors, if you go by Forgeworlds' Siege of Vraks) and bearing its seal on the left pauldron.

I've never heard of a "Bounty Hunters" Chapter, though. Sounds fanmade?

Minotaurs. Badab War. They even get preferred enemy against Space Marines.

I'm not sure how they take to authority though.

Lynata wrote:Normally, the task of purging errant Marine Chapters falls to elite strike teams of the Adepta Sororitas, but the Inquisition does have close ties to a number of Space Marine Chapters as well. Most obviously there are the Grey Knights, and though they are specialized in fighting daemons they can, in theory, also be deployed against other threats if need be. Then there is the Exorcists Chapter, a little experiment by the Ordo Malleus to create more Space Marines with a high resistance against daemonic possession. Finally, the Red Hunters spring to mind, but little is known about them other than them being close to the Inquisition (close enough to frequently work side by side with Inquisitors, if you go by Forgeworlds' Siege of Vraks) and bearing its seal on the left pauldron.

First of all thank you. Good references to check here.

Lynata wrote:I've never heard of a "Bounty Hunters" Chapter, though. Sounds fanmade?

Not really, I'm just starting modelling a mixed bikers+mech SM list and I don't really like White Scars and similar fast attackers known chapters. So I'm searching a theme to work with, at least a background for what design and create an interesting iconography.

Oh, I see!

I also recall a Chapter that was mentioned to be loyal enforcers of the High Lords, but I honestly can't remember their name. Something from the Badab War...? I'm sure another dakkanaut will know, and possibly have even more examples for you.

Good luck with your project!

[edit] Brother Heinrich just mentioned the Minotaurs over in this thread - I think it was those?

The space wolf have purge at least one chapter ( the thousand son) and potentialy two more ( the two unknown chapter althought thats still up in debate)

The Crimson fist are considered the dogs of the high lord, they have chase and eliminated at least three chapters from memory.

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The White Scars have a long tradition of hunting down infamous enemies of the Imperium, including fallen Space Marines.

The Space Wolves pretty much exist for that express purpose.

In the Badab War books the Minotaurs are made out to be High Lords executioners. Kept on a tight leash, but when off of it they wreck things.

Lightcavalier wrote:The Space Wolves pretty much exist for that express purpose.

That was never mentioned anywhere outside the HH novels, was it?

I guess it doesn't really apply anymore, given that the SW's relationship to the High Lords and to the Inquisition is a little soured.
The same goes for the Crimson Fists, if those rumours regarding the cause for the destruction of their Fortress-Monastery are right.
Fits nicely by making room for the Minotaurs, though. It would be a bit weird too many Chapters "occupying" this role simultaneously, after all.

Of course, that's just my interpretation based on the available sources.

As has been said, the Crimson Fists regularly hunt down renegade chapters, and are on pretty good terms with the Inquisition.

Lynata wrote:

Lightcavalier wrote:The Space Wolves pretty much exist for that express purpose.

That was never mentioned anywhere outside the HH novels, was it?

I guess it doesn't really apply anymore, given that the SW's relationship to the High Lords and to the Inquisition is a little soured.

I second this; it seems this was pretty much a HH-only role.
Red Hunters were indeed supposed to help against the Wolves, so they get another nod for this role.

Don't the Dark Angels take a huge part in hunting traitors and chaos as well?

The fallen are the Dark Angels only major concern in that field, and no one else knows about them, at least not in the IOM. They don't do widescale traitor chapter hunting, at least not in the same way as Minotaurs or Crimson Fists.

Toban wrote:

Lynata wrote:Normally, the task of purging errant Marine Chapters falls to elite strike teams of the Adepta Sororitas, but the Inquisition does have close ties to a number of Space Marine Chapters as well. Most obviously there are the Grey Knights, and though they are specialized in fighting daemons they can, in theory, also be deployed against other threats if need be. Then there is the Exorcists Chapter, a little experiment by the Ordo Malleus to create more Space Marines with a high resistance against daemonic possession. Finally, the Red Hunters spring to mind, but little is known about them other than them being close to the Inquisition (close enough to frequently work side by side with Inquisitors, if you go by Forgeworlds' Siege of Vraks) and bearing its seal on the left pauldron.

First of all thank you. Good references to check here.

Lynata wrote:I've never heard of a "Bounty Hunters" Chapter, though. Sounds fanmade?

Not really, I'm just starting modelling a mixed bikers+mech SM list and I don't really like White Scars and similar fast attackers known chapters. So I'm searching a theme to work with, at least a background for what design and create an interesting iconography.

Bikes and mech? Hunting other marines?

Why not Dark Angels Ravenwing-ish army. They hunt marines. You could even make a Fallen and use it as an objective marker.

Ideally there would be a single force for this but the Imperium is so widespread it's usually down to whoever is close enough at the time...
Could be Sororitas, Inquisition, other marine chapters, GK...

purplefood wrote:Ideally there would be a single force for this but the Imperium is so widespread it's usually down to whoever is close enough at the time...
Could be Sororitas, Inquisition, other marine chapters, GK...

Personally, I think it's more a question of "who" rather than "where". The Imperium is not only widespread in terms of locations, but also opinions and rivalries. Faction A might have no problem with Chapter X, but faction B totally has a grudge against them. And faction B has better ties to army Y than to Z. You get the idea.

Lynata wrote:

purplefood wrote:Ideally there would be a single force for this but the Imperium is so widespread it's usually down to whoever is close enough at the time...
Could be Sororitas, Inquisition, other marine chapters, GK...

Personally, I think it's more a question of "who" rather than "where". The Imperium is not only widespread in terms of locations, but also opinions and rivalries. Faction A might have no problem with Chapter X, but faction B totally has a grudge against them. And faction B has better ties to army Y than to Z. You get the idea.

Which is why even though the SW do have enemies in most, if not all, organisations of the Imperium they also have many allies...
Which is likely one of the reasons no one has moved against them...

That would be an example of just one chapter though.

Minotaurs
Carcaradons
Crimson Fists
As mentioned Elite Sisters Of battle teams

purplefood wrote:Which is why even though the SW do have enemies in most, if not all, organisations of the Imperium they also have many allies...
Which is likely one of the reasons no one has moved against them...

Well, the Ecclesiarchy tried, but ... eh, plot armour. The SW repelled a Segmentum worth of invasion forces before, and I don't think the Ministorum would consider the matter that important that they'd try to muster more forces than Bucharis did back then. Not to mention that this might attract some unwanted attention regarding the Decree Passive.

I'm just wondering why the Inquisition doesn't make a move, or did I miss something and the SW are best buddies with an influential Inquisitor who would be able to watch their backs?

Lynata wrote:

Lightcavalier wrote:The Space Wolves pretty much exist for that express purpose.

That was never mentioned anywhere outside the HH novels, was it?

I guess it doesn't really apply anymore, given that the SW's relationship to the High Lords and to the Inquisition is a little soured.
The same goes for the Crimson Fists, if those rumours regarding the cause for the destruction of their Fortress-Monastery are right.
Fits nicely by making room for the Minotaurs, though. It would be a bit weird too many Chapters "occupying" this role simultaneously, after all.

Of course, that's just my interpretation based on the available sources.

They serve the Emperor, not the High Lords and certainly not the Inquisition. Its one of their traits which I actually like.

Mainly because, as much of a pain in the butt the SW are to a number of people of rank, their Great Hunts accomplish *a lot* of good. Removing them would remove the Great Hunts, which have, in their history, saved countless Imperial worlds.

Psienesis wrote:Mainly because, as much of a pain in the butt the SW are to a number of people of rank, their Great Hunts accomplish *a lot* of good. Removing them would remove the Great Hunts, which have, in their history, saved countless Imperial worlds.

But what of other Chapters? The semi-autonomy of the Astartes is pretty much the same as the Wolves - the Astartes serve the Emperor, and no one else. Kinda why although the Inquisition technically has jurisdiction over everything apart from the old man, they can't just walk up to a Chapter Master or any ranking Astartes officer and say: "I'm in charge now!"

Lynata wrote:

I'm just wondering why the Inquisition doesn't make a move, or did I miss something and the SW are best buddies with an influential Inquisitor who would be able to watch their backs?

Well...the Wolves are far larger than any Chapter, and they're probably not sure even the Khornate Knights could handle them (IMO, Wolves would rip the Knights to shreds before reducing Titan to ashes). Not to mention they are vitriolic best buddies with the Unforgiven. And messing around with the a Second Founding Chapter is going to make a mess of Inquisition-Astartes relationships...kinda what like Bjorn told that Lord Inquisitor after Armageddon - you can't just treat a Second Founding Chapter and a First Founding Legion like that.

Well, the Minotaurs have been relied on many times to either destroy renegade chapters or bring them back into line, and considering that they have a very close connection to the high lords of terra, are from the 21st founding, and have lots of terminator armour and Mk VIII power armour, they might very well have been designed from the ground up to kill other marines. At the very least they are skilled enough that their chapter master gives them preferred enemy against space marines. Plus, if the Lamenters punishment was anything remotely considered standard procedure, the Minotaurs probably have a lot of looted equipment considering that they stole a lot of the Lamenters' ships after the Babad war.

On the topic of 21st founding chapters, the Flame Falcons were a chapter that quite literally burst into flames that didn't harm them. Viewing this as related to chaos in some way (the Flame Falcons apparently didn't) the Grey Knights were sent in to destroy them.

Finally there are the space wolves, who were sent in to arrest Magnus (nothing more, Horus ordered Horus to kill Magnus, which didn't even mean he expected Russ to win, hell if Russ lost Horus is probably better off in the long run), and had some implications that they were involved in conflicts against the two missing legions. While I view the idea that they are some speshul mahreen hunters stupid, they were apparently trusted to be able to defeat the 1K Sons with support from the Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence, and did defeat them.

As far as size goes, the Minotaurs are codex strength, but can create new marines at a truly astonishing rate, the Grey Knights also number about 1000 strong as well, although they aren't able to replace losses quickly, and the Space Wolves arre over strength, although I do not know by how much. However, the Minotaurs are unique in that they almost always operate as a single chapter, giving them a larger force than most other chapters would be able to field in any location.

Tadashi wrote:Well...the Wolves are far larger than any Chapter, and they're probably not sure even the Khornate Knights could handle them (IMO, Wolves would rip the Knights to shreds before reducing Titan to ashes). Not to mention they are vitriolic best buddies with the Unforgiven. And messing around with the a Second Founding Chapter is going to make a mess of Inquisition-Astartes relationships...kinda what like Bjorn told that Lord Inquisitor after Armageddon - you can't just treat a Second Founding Chapter and a First Founding Legion like that.

I'll take that as a "no", then. Too bad, I was hoping there'd be more to it than plot armour.

Buttons wrote:Well, the Minotaurs have been relied on many times to either destroy renegade chapters or bring them back into line, and considering that they have a very close connection to the high lords of terra, are from the 21st founding, and have lots of terminator armour and Mk VIII power armour, they might very well have been designed from the ground up to kill other marines. At the very least they are skilled enough that their chapter master gives them preferred enemy against space marines. Plus, if the Lamenters punishment was anything remotely considered standard procedure, the Minotaurs probably have a lot of looted equipment considering that they stole a lot of the Lamenters' ships after the Babad war.

On the topic of 21st founding chapters, the Flame Falcons were a chapter that quite literally burst into flames that didn't harm them. Viewing this as related to chaos in some way (the Flame Falcons apparently didn't) the Grey Knights were sent in to destroy them.

Finally there are the space wolves, who were sent in to arrest Magnus (nothing more, Horus ordered Horus to kill Magnus, which didn't even mean he expected Russ to win, hell if Russ lost Horus is probably better off in the long run), and had some implications that they were involved in conflicts against the two missing legions. While I view the idea that they are some speshul mahreen hunters stupid, they were apparently trusted to be able to defeat the 1K Sons with support from the Adeptus Custodes and Sisters of Silence, and did defeat them.

As far as size goes, the Minotaurs are codex strength, but can create new marines at a truly astonishing rate, the Grey Knights also number about 1000 strong as well, although they aren't able to replace losses quickly, and the Space Wolves arre over strength, although I do not know by how much. However, the Minotaurs are unique in that they almost always operate as a single chapter, giving them a larger force than most other chapters would be able to field in any location.

Do you have like IQ of "86" or something?Did you read any book?Horus removed "one of the toughest" legion out of his way (to Terra ofc), to destroy one legion who could hurt him(quote from the book) ....
And no 345623 founding chapter could top any first - in ANY WAY...

DatrhMarko wrote:
And no 345623 founding chapter could top any first - in ANY WAY...

That's a given...even Khornate Knights don't have gak against Space Wolves, who are, as I have said so many times before, vitriolic best buddies with the Unforgiven. I'd bet half the galaxy even if the High Lords gave their lackeys (unworthy to hold the title 'Astartes' - Space Marines serve the Emperor, and the Emperor alone, under their Primarchs) the best equipment, Space Wolves and any First Founding Legion/Second Founding Chapter (which might include 'unidentified' Chapters descended from Thousand Sons and Iron Warrior loyalists) would rip through them like a hot knife through butter.

And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...
and look at they rep:
M36 - Founded1a
M38 - Disappeared from Imperial Records1a
M41

c.053.M41 to 077.M41 - Reappeared and joined the Macharian Crusade; the Euxine Incident took place at some point during this time.1d
760.M41 - The Defence of Hermetica.1c
907.M41 - Entered the Badab War.1c
912.M41 - The Badab War ends.1c
913.M41 - The Minotaurs Chapter leaves the Maelstrom Zone

now look at preheresy any Loyal/Traitor chapter rep

DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...

I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.

Tadashi wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...

I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.

I'm starting to understand your opinion of the Imperium

DatrhMarko wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

DatrhMarko wrote:And Tadashi I really enjoyed our talks..Why ,because we have a lot of fluff(books) behind us to talk about - But to talk about chapter like Minotaurs which are famous for what-Badab war, Macharian heresy??There is just to little knowledge about them...

I don't like Chapters who lower themselves who lower themselves to become lackeys of the High Lords. So you get shiny and fancy gear...big deal. Older Chapters use older tech and achieve great glories regardless.

I'm starting to understand your opinion of the Imperium

Which is? Not offended mind, just curious, in case you might have misunderstood.