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gianlucafiorentini123 wrote: £75 is far to much for a starter, I know it'll probably be good for what you get in box, but surely it is meant to introduce new players, and £75 is alot to just try something out. And then you have to add on the cost of a few paints and brushes just to get started. I'm still going to buy it though, I just love power armour.

It's not to try something out though. You're in the UK- so lots of GW store: a new beginner will get an introduction game and paint lesson, probably several before they need to commit to buying anything at all.

It'll be £75 for around £200 worth of models, books and dice/templates. Add in a paint set, spray and WD (what a GW sells to starters) you're looking at £120. Cheaper than starting the vast majority of hobbies- especially any that will last the next 20 years or more of their life.

The starter sets are huuuuge value for money.

protonhunter wrote:Hopeing that the quality of the starter set is on pare with AoBR. my friends got that and it got us all into war gaming

Considering the quality of Isle of Blood and Space Hulk, the two boxes that have come out since, I think you should prepare for something far, far cooler than AoBR!

I just want the minibook really, keep the DA for myself to model as a SM ally detachment/loaner force and give/sell the Chaos up.

That new starter ought to be $60 like AoBR used to be. I'd buy two.

Terminators in robes. I'm just sayin! And I hope the loyalists will be compatible with what I've made already. The AoBR marines only failing IMO was the shoulder pads. If I could have changed them out (without a hacksaw) I'd have used them all...bought two boxes....had an ork army as well.

(Well maybe not the last two things).

Rumour, take with salt:

superdupermatt wrote:Ok newest rumblings from my "people in the know" - although please note I am personally sceptical I may as well state what I've been told.

The new starter set is in three stages. 'Bronze', 'Silver' and 'Gold'.

Bronze level is two separate boxes, one for Chaos, one for Dark Angels.
Silver is the two armies put together + extras
Gold is the supposed 5k limited release, although I have no info as to what makes it limited...

TAKE SALT AS NEEDED, YMMV, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER ETC ETC ETC

Ooh. Interesting. I'll have to add to op.

Sounds interesting! In the last rumour thread there was something mentioned about terrain as well, maybe that is the gold extra?

Noisy_Marine wrote:That new starter ought to be $60 like AoBR used to be. I'd buy two.

When was Black Reach ever $60?

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:That new starter ought to be $60 like AoBR used to be. I'd buy two.

When was Black Reach ever $60?

When it first came out. It was $60 for a while, then $75, then what it is now. It's gone through 3 pricings.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:That new starter ought to be $60 like AoBR used to be. I'd buy two.

When was Black Reach ever $60?

When it first released here it was $100 NZ, now it's almost $200 (about $156 US) . It's doubled in price.
The current US price is $100. I imagine that when it first released it was almost half the price too.

limited edition starter set? hmmm...am I supposed to buy and not open it....

For all we know the Gold/Silver/Bronze thing is just a one-off thing for fun given what's happening in England right now.

H.B.M.C. wrote:For all we know the Gold/Silver/Bronze thing is just a one-off thing for fun given what's happening in England right now.

Well lets hope that they have paid their fees to the Olympic committee or they can expect a visit from the trademark police

Rather stupidly, I opened this thread and my first thought was "OMG Demiurg are in the starter set!"

Lorizael wrote:

It'll be £75 for around £200 worth of models, books and dice/templates. Add in a paint set, spray and WD (what a GW sells to starters) you're looking at £120. Cheaper than starting the vast majority of hobbies- especially any that will last the next 20 years or more of their life.

The starter sets are huuuuge value for money.

They are, certainly when compared to current prices for separate purchases, but less so than they used to be if that figure is true..

...if bronze level still comes with a mini'BRB I'm buying one on launch day XD

If the three boxes thing is true maybe, will the "Bronze" boxes contain a rulebook?

zombie wrote:Well lets hope that they have paid their fees to the Olympic committee or they can expect a visit from the trademark police

Not really. There's nothing to stop them using gold/silver/bronze. The Olympics doesn't 'own' that more than GW owns any of the silly things like "arrows" and "skulls" in their CHS lawsuit documents.


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Ultrafool wrote:If the three boxes thing is true maybe, will the "Bronze" boxes contain a rulebook?

Don't be greedy. It's an honour just to be in a final, let alone get a medal.



What were we talking about again?

Ultrafool wrote:If the three boxes thing is true maybe, will the "Bronze" boxes contain a rulebook?

I should imagine so, after all it is a starter set. If they didnt put one in it would just be buying a new battlefroce or something.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

zombie wrote:Well lets hope that they have paid their fees to the Olympic committee or they can expect a visit from the trademark police

Not really. There's nothing to stop them using gold/silver/bronze. The Olympics doesn't 'own' that more than GW owns any of the silly things like "arrows" and "skulls" in their CHS lawsuit documents.


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Ultrafool wrote:If the three boxes thing is true maybe, will the "Bronze" boxes contain a rulebook?

Don't be greedy. It's an honour just to be in a final, let alone get a medal.



What were we talking about again?

Beach volley ball of course!

I'm getting confused with all those rumors.... I would prefer prob a chaos starter with lower price than one with both armies. But, life is cruel isn't it?

The three tiers thing could be interesting if accurate. Just hoping its not too tempting, or too expensive, my poor credit card could be getting hammered if it is.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

zombie wrote:Well lets hope that they have paid their fees to the Olympic committee or they can expect a visit from the trademark police

Not really. There's nothing to stop them using gold/silver/bronze. The Olympics doesn't 'own' that more than GW owns any of the silly things like "arrows" and "skulls" in their CHS lawsuit documents.

Curiously enough they do, certainly within context and locality, but also a whole raft of terms that you might consider common use. The IOC actually has had people walk around games event locations warning traders not to use a hole list of terms and symbols that they own or face sanctions.

On the BBC news they followed one such person into a pub in Cardiff near to the millennium stadium who had posters about a promotion resulting in the winning of tickets and Olympic themed stuff. Suffice to say he was warned and took down the offending promotion.

Daft but true.

notprop wrote:Curiously enough they do, certainly within context and locality, but also a whole raft of terms that you might consider common use. The IOC actually has had people walk around games event locations warning traders not to use a hole list of terms and symbols that they own or face sanctions.

I know all about that, but they can't stop GW from calling their boxed sets "gold" and "silver" about as much as they can force Microsoft to change the name of their 'Gold' and 'Silver' X-Box Live subscription options, that is to say they can't.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

notprop wrote:Curiously enough they do, certainly within context and locality, but also a whole raft of terms that you might consider common use. The IOC actually has had people walk around games event locations warning traders not to use a hole list of terms and symbols that they own or face sanctions.

I know all about that, but they can't stop GW from calling their boxed sets "gold" and "silver" about as much as they can force Microsoft to change the name of their 'Gold' and 'Silver' X-Box Live subscription options, that is to say they can't.

Bronze, Silver, and Gold can't be trademarked they are considered public property because of how widely the terms are used and understood.

protonhunter wrote:Bronze, Silver, and Gold can't be trademarked they are considered public property because of how widely the terms are used and understood.

They cannot be trademarked/copyrighted in the normal way, under copyright law. Threre are special acts of Congress that have been put into law specific to the Olympic games. The game L5R (Legend of the Five Rings) used to have five rings on their artwork. The United States Olympic Committee sued WotC (who owned it at the time) because Congress gave exclusive rights to use any symbol consisting of five interlocking rings to the USOC and WotC had to change it (they chose five coins). Depending on the country, the agreed upon laws, and how heavy handed the regional OC feels, they most certainly can take action that may seem counterintuitive to the rest of us.

The limited edition idea sounds intriguing, Given their previous limited editions I'd expect something to do with different quality items, perhaps dice like the gamer's edition of the big book. Possibly a limited edition figure case with the boxed game. Other than that if I wanted to see something really special I'd like to see Dark Angels vs Fallen but I doubt they'd go for such a niche idea. I can't see them doing a gold, silver, bronze thing, they've never cared about external social events before. If they were going to do something "Best of British" we've had our Queen's Jubilee this year and we had extra public holidays for that so I'd think that would be a bigger deal. Going back to my first idea I'd think it'd be a "25 years of Warhammer" figure case to put the box contents in. But then I am just guessing here.

God I was pissed when L5r had to change the backs on their cards. Breotan, I was going to bring up that same exact point. You beat me to the punch man.


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I think that the tier thing for the starter boxes is a pretty good idea. I not having any use for chaos would certainly rather have two DA boxes at the lowest tier, or just save some money, buying a smaller, more focused box. Of course the contents of the upper tiers would determine if they're worth buying, but it'd be a great opportunity to include some army specific terrain.

I'm betting the limited edition starter sets will include a limited edition finecast model.

If it does i wont buy it as part of my ongoing protest against the substandard quality and increased price of the afformentioned finecast.