Consolidated Rumors from Faeit 212 thread - Updated in OP 8/13

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**mjl7atlas**

The underwhelmingness of these rumours are what leads me to call bs on this. I mean wheres the codex creep here?Without the creep these cant be legit!

**MightyGodzilla**

Belial seems a little mah to me. Hope he gets some spiffy rules. Master of the Deathwing seems to warrant it, although admittedly I don't know what I'd make him do. I just want him 20% cooler. (where'd that come from).

Other than that, the rumors are about on par with what I was expecting the DA's to be. I like the Chaplain banner things and the Asrael upgrades in particular.

**Backfire**

Belial was too cheap. I actually hope he becomes more expensive in points, because that would make playing Deathwing something more special. As of now, Belial is so cheap that there is simply no point not to take him and almost all "balanced" DA armies have Belial as one of the HQ's and Terminators as troops.

**nolzur**

Dear GW,
Please allow the man who made the SW codex awesome to have a hand in the new DA codex, and let Jes Goodwin sculpt our new models. Thank you.

P.S. If you could also find it in your hearts to make Belial's and Azrael's swords actually be good, that would be much appreciated.

**Sephyr**

Trevak Dal wrote:Huh. These are much better rumors than what chaos is getting.

No kidding. I think they'll tone it down a bit before launch as it is playtest, but not much.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Absolutionis wrote:Seems a bit disappointing. I was hoping they'd also get a gimmick like all the other Space Marines have been getting.

Pretty much. I'm still of the mind that Dark Angels are more vanilla than Vanilla Marines, and if these rumours are true then that won't have changed at all. They're no better than mid-tier with this set-up. The Whirlwind upgrade sounds awesome though.

**Anpu42**

Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:Seems a bit disappointing. I was hoping they'd also get a gimmick like all the other Space Marines have been getting.

Pretty much. I'm still of the mind that Dark Angels are more vanilla than Vanilla Marines, and if these rumours are true then that won't have changed at all. They're no better than mid-tier with this set-up. The Whirlwind upgrade sounds awesome though.

Dropping in 47 sorry 94 at that points level Deathwing on turn ONE is not Gimmicky enough for you!

!

**The_Chaplain**

Wonder if the rumors of dreadnoughts being able to take any weapon in a mortis pattern will lead to a sprue for left handed guns. Might make for some nice bits to switch the gun arms up on vanilla dreads.

Overall though, this seems kind of lackluster for "the first legion". And where the hell is Asmodai?

**Anpu42**

I just want that Twi-Plasma Cannon one, on a Venrable it might not be that bad [re-roll and all]

**ZebioLizard2**

On the flipside, folks that have pined for a more balanced DA army may finally be getting their wish.

People have actually complained about DA? Seriously? It's all we literally have!

Dear GW,
Please allow the man who made the SW codex awesome to have a hand in the new DA codex, and let Jes Goodwin sculpt our new models. Thank you

I'd rather not have Kelly touch the thing, I'd like at least half of my codex to be priced right without a few things being horribly underpriced.

Except DW terminators, underprice them all the hell you like, give us 35 point costing TH/SS with 30 point lightning claws.

**fidel**

I like all the changes except for one minute detail: the fact that cyclone missile launchers can only be put on Storm bolter/PF or CF terminators. I modeled all my termies with cyclone launchers to have thunder hammers and SS... and they look banging.

Sigh hope that changes quickly!

**pretre**

The old Cyclone terminators actually had a laser designator replacing one hand, so this is a return to fluff.

**Spartan089**

mjl7atlas wrote:The underwhelmingness of these rumours are what leads me to call bs on this. I mean wheres the codex creep here?Without the creep these cant be legit!

I'm a chaos player and if you think the rumors for DA are bad go take a look at CSM rumor thread. Aparently there is no power creep for us. We get bland.

**Noisy_Marine**

Spartan089 wrote:
mjl7atlas wrote:The underwhelmingness of these rumours are what leads me to call bs on this. I mean wheres the codex creep here?Without the creep these cant be legit!

I'm a chaos player and if you think the rumors for DA are bad go take a look at CSM rumor thread. Aparently there is no power creep for us. We get bland.

Bland is the only way GW knows how to do chaos anyways!

As for DA, why are scouts elite? That makes no sense in the current codex and it would make no sense in a new one. And c'mon, no force weapons or craziness every where? Where is Matt Ward when you need him?

*Lights the Ward signal*

**Ozymandias**

I know I'm a bit of a DA apologist, but I actually really like these rumors. I don't want an OT SW or GK army, I want one that fights like it does in the fluff. With these rules and the bonuses that DA seem to get while being next to an objective, this really does feel like an intractable, powerful force.

Also, the point increases for DW were expected and really aren't that bad (honestly, I'm not sure CML is the best Heavy Weapon anymore), and DW assault means that ALL terminator squads can DS turn one. It's not that hard to have a few squads of bikes, speeders, tac marines, scouts, etc on the table and then drop in 3-4 units of DW with characters and totally overwhelm one side of the table.

So I'm cautiously optimistic for the new book!

**Kingsley**

Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:Seems a bit disappointing. I was hoping they'd also get a gimmick like all the other Space Marines have been getting.

Pretty much. I'm still of the mind that Dark Angels are more vanilla than Vanilla Marines, and if these rumours are true then that won't have changed at all. They're no better than mid-tier with this set-up. The Whirlwind upgrade sounds awesome though.

Hmm, Stubborn on the whole army for free, discounted Tactical Marines who can take special weapons in 5-man squads, true Mortis-pattern Dreadnoughts (thankfully without the ridiculous Skyfire and Interceptor that FW tried to give them), improved Terminators that can be made Troops, cool and fluffy rules for unique characters like Interrogator-Chaplains... doesn't sound "vanilla" to me, especially since we don't even know what the Ravenwing will be getting!

**MightyGodzilla**

fidel wrote:I like all the changes except for one minute detail: the fact that cyclone missile launchers can only be put on Storm bolter/PF or CF terminators. I modeled all my termies with cyclone launchers to have thunder hammers and SS... and they look banging.

Sigh hope that changes quickly!

This. Because I really liked mixing my termie tactical and assault squads all up. I know I went against the 4th/5th grain of all TH/SS squads with a cyclone, but damn I liked it.

**Thaylen**

I built an entire deathwing/ravenwing army around having Hammers with cyclone launchers. This loss of the hammers/missile combo must not come to pass.

**Orinoco**

Anpu42 wrote:And Mortis Deads can be made

The_Chaplain wrote:Wonder if the rumors of dreadnoughts being able to take any weapon in a mortis pattern will lead to a sprue for left handed guns. Might make for some nice bits to switch the gun arms up on vanilla dreads.

Overall though, this seems kind of lackluster for "the first legion". And where the hell is Asmodai?

there's a limited range though for modeling. Often You'll have one arm in the one armour mark for the dread and not in another. As far as I can tell, heavy bolter, missile launcher (not identical mirror though) and autocannon are the only ones with matching arms in the same mark from forgeworld. I've been hoping for a matching plasma for a while now.

**fidel**

ZE KUBANS SHALL NOT BE PLEASED WITH THIS CHANGE... REST ASSURE THAT FIDEL CASTROUS IS ON THE JOB TO FREE YOU FROM HAVING THIS AWEFUL CHANGE!

But on a more serious note - cmon now GW, I really hope not. I don't even care about the save that the TH/SS gives the Cyclone carriers, I think it just looks to cool. I mean I got some of my models kneeling in a shielded pose (with hammer down) firing off rockets...

Can we kill the messenger?

**Orinoco**

dupe.

**Vermillion**

They really need to have scouts back in the troops section, elites are just too crowded and if the DW as troops is an excuse just have them in troops without the HQ slot taken up.

**Kroothawk**

I really hope that Faeit 212 gets his first rumour right (his track record is 100% negative up to now), but then we certainly lose the anonymous source being revealed now to GW.

**Quintinus**

This is quite interesting, I found this in the comments section of the Faeit 212 blog post.

Source1August 2, 2012 9:41 AM
Technically this set of rumours has some truth in it, but not much. I dare say that the correct parts are only coincidence.

How can someone who has read a playtest codex spend so much time on the little irrelevant details like point costs and completely fails to mention the big elephants in the house ... like new units. Playtest codices are by no means complete, but they are not stripped to a degree where every new toy is missing. Nobody needs a group of testers to test small alterations of the generic space marine stuff that already was the backbone of a handful of codices.

To name a few false asumptions:
- Devastators get indeed flakk missiles .. and much more.
- Belial does not make Deathwing unit troops. There is no need for that.
- Regular dreadnoughts (those that can be upgraded to venerable ones) do not get a two weapon set up.

There is other nonesense, but I have already talked too much. Maybe his playtest version was totally different but in this case either the rumours do not matter because the Codex is not based on this version or the new Dark Angels codex will be a very very bland affair. Or Naftka is holding something back.

**Platuan4th**

Orinoco wrote: I've been hoping for a matching plasma for a while now.

The reason one doesn't exist yet is because it was never an option for Mortis dreads in the past.

Also, glad that I never added a CML to my melee termies since I would have to rip them off anyway now.

**Compel**

So, that seems to suggest that Termies will be troops as standard, which would explain why Scouts are elites. - I don't think even GW are going to have exactly 1 troops unit in an army in this modern day and age.

The Regular Dreadnoughts comment seems to be suspiciously specific. - Sounds like DA are getting a specific Mortis pattern dreaddy to me.

**warboss**

I'm hoping that they get access to some 2w termies to put them at least close to the top of the termie pile again but I'm not holding my breath. Inner Circle Deathwing Squad?

**Crimson**

Why would they have Vanguard and Sternguard at all? Aren't all Dark Angels veterans Deathwing terminators?

**Kroothawk**

Another set of rumours posted by Faeit 212, now taking into account that previous posted ones turned out false:

Games Workshop News: Schedules...Tyranids, Tau, Dark Eldar and More

It looks like the release schedule may be getting more defined now, and with that there is some good news and some bad. Lets look at the bad......... Dark Angels pushed back to April 2013. Chaos Marines also further back now, and not going to happen to October. So yes, that does push back Tau and even Eldar further.

There is a lot of good news in here as well. Including what appears to be a final name for the playtested Tau flyer lamprey, and now said to be clarified into the Tau Copperhead. Also in this bunch are more tyranid rumors, as well as the failing of the Thunderbolt to make the grade.

Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212"A Must remain Anonymous Source"
The so called rumour clampdown consists only of motivational speeches and mails. Apparently it works, but there is nothing special about it - only exception is the Hobbit stuff that is developed in a physically separated area, but some staff were shifted back including a game designer and most of the digital artists.

Flyer waves incoming: there are two full waves pending release: a Tyranid wave (Harpy, Harrier, Tyranid Warriors, Mycetic Spore and reinvented rules for Pyrovore as anti-air unit) and a Dark Eldar wave (Void Raven, Grotesque unit with expanded options, Sliscus, Sathonyx and Vect (on foot)). There was a third wave planned for the guard (Thunderbolt, Hydra, armoured veterans, Storm Troopers) but it was postponed into oblivion because the Thunderbolt didn’t get approved. Four more fliers in the pipeline: renamed Eldar Nightwing (finished), Tau Copperhead (finished), and a medium sized Space Marine and a large Ork flyer. There are upgrade packs for Space Marines and an Ork flakk trakk / buggy and a kopta box in the pipeline, but seem further off than the other flyer themed waves. A daemon flyer (or swooping) wave is even more far off. All waves may come without a codex. I don’t know when or in which order these are released.

Codices/army books won’t get released with a faster pace, but there are more out of order releases that keep us busy in the meantime. Expect still three books per system per year.

Model production and codex production are decoupled after the planning phase now. Warriors of Chaos, Dark Angels, Chaos Space Marine codices are finished, Tau and High Elves nearly finished. Models for all of them plus Eldar are finished (modeled, not necessarily mass produced or boxed). Dark Elves nearly finished. Dwarfs, Wood Elves and Space Marines models are in the works. Release dates are, Chaos Space Marines (October 2012), Warriors of Chaos (November 2012), High Elves (February 2013), Dark Angels (April 2013) and the rest is not fixed.

The next fantasy supplement deals with engines of war. The next 40k supplement deals with campaigns, experience gains for troops and conversions to represent these changes.

There is one extra release next summer (2013): Blood Bowl!

The Hobbit release gets completely rescheduled at the moment, so nothing certain to tell. Release is full plastic, characters only available in unit boxes or themed full character boxes.

Every army rulebook from now on will have a special defining mechanic.
- WoC and CSM have random gift of the gods charts.
- Tau have a system of unit upgrades that get unlocked by another unit or other effects. For example, a Firewarrior cadre with an ethereal next to it, with markerlight support and scouting kroot unit will get a serious buff. Every unit has a small chart for three of these effects.
- High Elves get a renewed court rule: No more always strike first, but units can get it back plus other effects if not accompanied by the wrong character (rolled before the game).
- Dark Angels units choose a circle that is kept secret during the game. Only a fraction of the army’s units can take a circle that has an in game effect. Circles can be revealed midgame and grant a special rule depending on the circle.

I am very sceptical about all rumpours posted on that website, but thought you might want to read them anyway.

**pretre**

I got those into a combined release thread with stick monkey's digital releases. I'm trying to diversify.

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And I agree that either he is making stuff up or getting fed a line. I guess we will see though.