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AegisGrimm wrote:

What I would love is for the Dark Angels to break the trend of Space Marine offshoots being Close Combat Orentated and be a Shooty Army.

I thought besides Raven/Deathwing they have been?

No more so than vanilla Marines. The only special shooty things they ever had were plasma cannons in tactical squads before anyone else did, and Mortis dreads from Forgeworld.

Brother SRM wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:

What I would love is for the Dark Angels to break the trend of Space Marine offshoots being Close Combat Orentated and be a Shooty Army.

I thought besides Raven/Deathwing they have been?

No more so than vanilla Marines. The only special shooty things they ever had were plasma cannons in tactical squads before anyone else did, and Mortis dreads from Forgeworld.

Mortis has been around for longer than FW, the Dub weapons option was FW

I agree that DA should be a dakka army, this is why I sugested the posibility of having 2 heavies in a tac sqaud.

Something I forgot to mention though, we need attack bike units back and for the RW attack bike to be part of the sqaud.


And here is another thought some may or may not agree with...

Master of the Ravenwing Speeder
14/14/10
CHARIOT

this would give DA back the sweep attack (that newcrons nicked from us lol) and make the RW landspeeder a very very nasty option... boost its cost too of course

DW terminators being somewhat better than regular (apart from mixing wargear). Maybe a higher WS or something

Named/chaplain dreads

Better special chars.

Ravenwing having slightly better stats than normal bikes, or access to diff wargear.

Plasma preds.

Everything brought into line with C:SM and updated so it wont be out of date when that codex comes out.

In order to justify a book they need what the other two basic marines got (SW and BA); specific powerful units that are the hallmark of their army. Something like regular terminators plus a 'deathwing' unit, a jetbike unit, a specific new type of dreadnought plus other options.

A chaplain entry like the BA priests is whats rumored however with the few things listed I'm afraid its going to be the previous incarnations all over again. They need to have more than one or two new entries that aren't just copies with a new name (terminator=deathwing for example).

I want them to become shooty experts, not close combat experts!

Hetelic wrote:The problem with giving DA unique items is that they will (eventually) find their way into the C:SM. GW are not going to produce a model for DA, and then not add it to C:SM, as this would cut the numbers of people who will buy the model. If you add a dual-Plasma Cannon dread to C:SM, more people will buy the models ect.

If you want DA to remain unique, and not merged with C:SM, you need to look at making them a -significant- stand alone army, in the same way that BA are vastly different from C:SM. If DA are going to be C:Sm with a slightly different FoC, then they would as well just be in C:Sm.

Ball predator furiso dread? DC sangiuary priests and a lot of other things in codex BA.

The problem with keeping the DA and SM codex seperate is when codex SM is updated and gets new toys the DA players moan about it and want them, Ive seen it a lot with BA players even though they have a lot of unique gear they want everything in the SM codex as well.

Personnaly though Ive always had a soft spot for DA Azreal was one of my first models

In regards to the jetbikes I would assume its possible purely for the fact FW will most probably be making some for WH31k

MarkyMark wrote:

Hetelic wrote:The problem with giving DA unique items is that they will (eventually) find their way into the C:SM. GW are not going to produce a model for DA, and then not add it to C:SM, as this would cut the numbers of people who will buy the model. If you add a dual-Plasma Cannon dread to C:SM, more people will buy the models ect.

If you want DA to remain unique, and not merged with C:SM, you need to look at making them a -significant- stand alone army, in the same way that BA are vastly different from C:SM. If DA are going to be C:Sm with a slightly different FoC, then they would as well just be in C:Sm.

Ball predator furiso dread? DC sangiuary priests and a lot of other things in codex BA.

This is what i mean though. BA have enough unique units in DC, Sanguiary Guard, Baal Pred and Furiso to effectively be a stand alone army. They actually don't share -that- much with C:SM. Wolves are the same. Atm, DA are C:SM with a slight change here or there, and a Mortis dread. They need to be a significant deviation from the codex to be worth of a stand alone book.

Brother SRM wrote:

AegisGrimm wrote:

What I would love is for the Dark Angels to break the trend of Space Marine offshoots being Close Combat Orentated and be a Shooty Army.

I thought besides Raven/Deathwing they have been?

No more so than vanilla Marines. The only special shooty things they ever had were plasma cannons in tactical squads before anyone else did, and Mortis dreads from Forgeworld.

It's worth pointing out (because people have a habit of forgetting) that regular marines in 2nd ed. (and 1st ed. too, but then practically everybody had access to practically everything in 1st ed., even if they had to roll it on a random table) could give plasma cannons to their tactical squads (they were called heavy plasma guns back then, but even so) and could field dual-heavy weapon dreadnoughts. The best that can be said for the Dark Angels is that for a brief period they were the only marine army which could do these things.

Hetelic wrote: Atm, DA are C:SM with a slight change here or there, and a Mortis dread. They need to be a significant deviation from the codex to be worth of a stand alone book.

DA don't even have a Mortis dreadnought in their codex right now. Outside of Deathwing and Dualwing, they're just Space Marines -1.

Brother SRM wrote:

Hetelic wrote: Atm, DA are C:SM with a slight change here or there, and a Mortis dread. They need to be a significant deviation from the codex to be worth of a stand alone book.

DA don't even have a Mortis dreadnought in their codex right now. Outside of Deathwing and Dualwing, they're just Space Marines -1.

QFT

I think i may have already said it, but i would like plasma blasters for an upgrade to characters and termies (up to 2 per unit or something), would add to the ranged flavour of the DA