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No you have listed more instances of "chosen to use the infiltrate rule"; that is not permission to deploy normally and I have proven why with the fact that the Infiltrators could choose to be held in reserve(a permission granted by the reserve rules).

You still have not shown any permission to deploy normally, you just keep pointing to the same statements and saying that those are your permission as opposed to them being references to Infiltrators in reserve(the only way infiltrators choose not to infiltrate).

The only one ignoring points that are inconvenient is you.

Ok, here's another option to not infiltrate.

Page 21.
If a unit with Infiltrate is deployed inside a Dedicated Transport, they may infiltrate or outflank along with their Transport, but if they do, they must deploy/move onto the table embarked within it.

So, I can deploy in the transport, and may (not must) infiltrate or out flank.


-Matt

That is an Either.

They may Infiltrate.

They may outflank.

The permission given is for the transport to also benefit from those rules.

Good try though.

Kommissar Kel wrote:No you have listed more instances of "chosen to use the infiltrate rule"; that is not permission to deploy normally and I have proven why with the fact that the Infiltrators could choose to be held in reserve(a permission granted by the reserve rules).

You still have not shown any permission to deploy normally, you just keep pointing to the same statements and saying that those are your permission as opposed to them being references to Infiltrators in reserve(the only way infiltrators choose not to infiltrate).

The only one ignoring points that are inconvenient is you.

lol, false proof is not proof. I am not ignoring anything, your arguments are just wrong. The conclusion you have come to is ridden with fallacies.

Kommissar Kel wrote:That is an Either.

They may Infiltrate.

They may outflank.

The permission given is for the transport to also benefit from those rules.

Good try though.

Sorry but may is not the same thing as must... It's an option not a requirement.

Dozer Blades wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:That is an Either.

They may Infiltrate.

They may outflank.

The permission given is for the transport to also benefit from those rules.

Good try though.

Sorry but may is not the same thing as must... It's an option not a requirement.

Yes, it's an option. You have the option of either infiltrating or outflanking. That's it. Nowhere does it grant an option to deploy normally. Personally, I think Kel has this one nailed.

Why does even really matter when you can deploy in your own deployment zone? I think people sit around with the rulebook and have way too much time on their hands. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Chooser of the Slain prevents an infiltrating unit from deploying within 18" of it. That's a 36" bubble. A SW player could force you to outflank every infiltrating unit if he wanted to.
edit: because 4 choosers could blanket the table in undeployable area.

Yeah I actually know several players who field 4 Rune Priests.

don_mondo wrote:Yes, it's an option. You have the option of either infiltrating or outflanking. That's it. Nowhere does it grant an option to deploy normally. Personally, I think Kel has this one nailed.

Maybe you missed it so I will say it again. You deploy your regular units with the exception of those left in Reserves or that chose to use their Infiltrate Special Rule. Said and done. But you wanted more. So I pointed out a 2nd place that says the same thing, you deploy all units except those using their Infiltrate rule or starting in Reserves. And this is not good enough for you?

When you choose to use your Infiltrate rule you have two options: outflank or infiltrate. If you do not have permission to deploy normally you do not have permission to remain in Reserves. The Infiltrate rule says you are deployed last with the infiltrate limitations. It then says you have the option to Outflank. If the only option to deploy is with the Infiltrate rule then there is no Reserves for you.

Maybe you missed it, so I will say it again; the only choice Infiltrators have is to go into reserves, you are still making up rules that do not exist.

You are deploying your regular units.

You have 3 units of Infiltrators, 2 of those units you decide to place in reserve.

The last unit you have not chosen to place in reserve therefore you have chosen to deploy them via Infiltrate.

The only choice you are ever given is to deploy via Infiltrate or Reserves(outflank and deepstrike inclusive).

If you can choose to deploy by Reserves you can choose to deploy normally. You are placing imaginary restrictions that are not there that apply only sometimes to make you look right.