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The blond one is "Warrior Woman"
Crime - member of banned sect (ref: Artemis sub-cult)
Weargear: lasgun, sword and knife, (counts as two colose combat weapons)
Just for fun the others are called -
Scope - needle sniper rifle
grease monkey
hero - lasgun, laspistol and CCW ox - Heavy bolter
brains - lasgun and commlink
demolition man - lasgun +melta bomb
shiv - plasma pistol and mono-filament knife (counts as a power weapon)
animal- melta gun, scanner and CCW fingers - lasgun and missles
and of course colonel schaeffer - plasma pistol , carapace armor
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sudojoe wrote:The blond one is "Warrior Woman"
Crime - member of banned sect (ref: Artemis sub-cult)
Weargear: lasgun, sword and knife, (counts as two colose combat weapons)
The best thing is, her homeworld is called Xenan VII
TPC had the best ones, IMHO. Too bad you an't get them anymore.
decent, but you really don't get hips that wide without a waist or chest to match. The real issue with female models is that, by and large, it's nerds working on them, so either theyre disproportionate, or not female looking..... hahaha, though i think that's by far the closest yet. too bad about them not being available anymore
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It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
My problem with the mini's is that they exaggerate the feminine characteristics. They go into battle with their boobs hangingout in stripper heals, clown make up and skin tight pants, and it ruins everything for me. I know its a fantasy game, but I hate a chain mail bikini or the like you know. I do like the http://statuesqueminiatures.shop033.com/ ones since their clearly female with out resorting to stripperness. The ones BaronIveagh posted would work if they didn't have the skin tight pants in the arse area.
Honestly if you seen a woman in fatigues about the only characteristic that would stand out at 28mm would be the face and maybe the hips. I'd stick with cadian bodies with the resistance heads. Just my personal preference.
Also the Female commissar is clearly a male in drag.
decent, but you really don't get hips that wide without a waist or chest to match. The real issue with female models is that, by and large, it's nerds working on them, so either theyre disproportionate, or not female looking..... hahaha, though i think that's by far the closest yet. too bad about them not being available anymore
Yeah, TPC fell apart shortly after these were finished. The guy that made them produced them via a website for a while, but had problems with people not getting their orders. The reason they're shaped the way they are is actually so they fit plastic IG arms and weapons, though a few of them require some modifications. They really blend in nicely with Cadians, some of the heads are designed to even take the 'empty' plastic cadian helmets.
Every now and then I have this half baked idea to start a kickstarter project to do a line of 28mm females, but, while i have access to a large, industrial building, I don't have casting equipment. As a graduate of the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, I'd like to think I have a decent chance at designing a pretty good match to a certain companies products, but am a much better 2d artist than 3d artist.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
The missile launcher wielding miniature is a woman
that's a woman??? I honestly can't tell
1st world problems?
And thats the problem with most people that want female IG, they forget that with all the flak armour and helmets their isn't that much difference to male IG.
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The blond one is "Warrior Woman"
Crime - member of banned sect (ref: Artemis sub-cult)
Weargear: lasgun, sword and knife, (counts as two colose combat weapons)
Just for fun the others are called -
Scope - needle sniper rifle
grease monkey
hero - lasgun, laspistol and CCW ox - Heavy bolter
brains - lasgun and commlink
demolition man - lasgun +melta bomb
shiv - plasma pistol and mono-filament knife (counts as a power weapon)
animal- melta gun, scanner and CCW fingers - lasgun and missles
and of course colonel schaeffer - plasma pistol , carapace armor
Just as bluecaboose pointed out, females in combat armour and fatigues don't actually look all that different from males. As an example go take a look at the female lieutenant from the Space Marine game. She only really has the hips and a marginally 'more pronounced' chest when standing side by side to a male guardsman (I actually investigated just for this thread). At a 28mm scale the only thing that's gona be noticeable would be the hips and head.
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poda_t wrote: sculpting some "extra armor" onto the chest isn't such a big deal. After that, you really just need to replace the heads, as that really ought to do it.
There wouldn't really be that much of a bulge from that.
As a discussion grows in length, the probability of a comparison to Matt Ward or Gray Knights approaches one.
poda_t wrote: sculpting some "extra armor" onto the chest isn't such a big deal. After that, you really just need to replace the heads, as that really ought to do it.
There wouldn't really be that much of a bulge from that.
Especially if you consider the thousands of years that have past as humanity suffers hardship and stuggle that would mean in all likelihood most women would not have the same size breasts as now.
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Especially if you consider the thousands of years that have past as humanity suffers hardship and stuggle that would mean in all likelihood most women would not have the same size breasts as now.
Actually they'd probably average out the same. Remember that not every planet is in a state of super absurd hardship for 10k years.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
JbR of the Endless Spire wrote: Just as bluecaboose pointed out, females in combat armour and fatigues don't actually look all that different from males.
So males in combat armour all look like this?
Maybe you haven't noticed that W40k is not about realistic modern warfare, not even about realistic proportions ("Heroic 28mm scale"). In this universe, all men are tall and strong and all women are sexy vixens. It is an escapist setting for teen males, so nobody cares if a modern flak armour hides some of the female curves.
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Especially if you consider the thousands of years that have past as humanity suffers hardship and stuggle that would mean in all likelihood most women would not have the same size breasts as now.
Actually they'd probably average out the same. Remember that not every planet is in a state of super absurd hardship for 10k years.
Well it would actually be well over 10k years, and the IG recruit from the hardened worlds not the nice ones (on average)
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its safe to say that relictors are the greatest army a man , nay human can own.
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Well it would actually be well over 10k years, and the IG recruit from the hardened worlds not the nice ones (on average)
...Actually, we don't know that. IG technically recruits from every world that can support an IG regiment (Munitions Handbook) if they cannot tithe in some other way.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
NO. Where did I say ALL males in combat armour look like that? How does all women being sexy vixens at all relate to that space marine? If you took a sister of battle and put her in the same armour, in that armour the ONLY difference would be her head (of course IF she were the exact same size as the marine inside it).
It is an escapist setting for teen males, so nobody cares if a modern flak armour hides some of the female curves.
YES. Some one does care about it because they STARTED THIS THREAD ABOUT it... I simply stated that women's curves are largely hidden by flak armour except for hips, making it less obvious as to which sex is which, actually a relevant observation to the actual topic as it suggests that simply using slightly more curved hips would highlight the differing sex (as well as female heads obv).
Maybe you haven't noticed that W40k is not about realistic modern warfare, not even about realistic proportions ("Heroic 28mm scale").
Yes you are right about 40k being a fantasy game, but just because its not real life doesn't mean realism isn't a focus, hobbyists STRIVE for realism or a realistic look, they ACTIVELY seek it. If they didn't try to mimic real life in their models why would they spend hours of painstaking painting to create object source lighting effects? Or glimmering metal? Or lightning bolts on power weapons? Or ANYTHING for that matter?
So basically your arguement is INVALID. Please rethink you comment, rewrite it, rethink it again and then shove back where it came from.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And one more thing... space marine armour is largely individualised and differs from marine to marine so not every marine will look the same anyway. But Guardsman armour is mass produced... one size fits all kind of thing so sex is irrelevant. But sex is not irrelevant when actually comparing the two for their physical attributes... male is male, female is female. This post is about making female guard, the model base is largely male so ergo alterations are required to differentiate the two sexes more clearly.
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''I am the prophet of doom!''
Really?
''Yes... the last thing you shall see before your eyes close...''
.....will be?
''....your bedroom ceiling''
Yes you are right about 40k being a fantasy game, but just because its not real life doesn't mean realism isn't a focus, hobbyists STRIVE for realism or a realistic look, they ACTIVELY seek it. If they didn't try to mimic real life in their models why would they spend hours of painstaking painting to create object source lighting effects? Or glimmering metal? Or lightning bolts on power weapons? Or ANYTHING for that matter?
Please don't try to tell me how I pursue my hobby, kkthx.
Realism? Feth no. Give me 8 foot tall dudes in power armor with fists the size of their torsos and nuns with missile-launching machine guns and robot guys with guns that shoot heat and melt tanks and Rambos who deflect bullets with a sweat-stained t-shirt and a perfectly-timed pectoral flex, lithe gun-bunny sniper vixens lugging rifles longer than they are tall like it was weightless while wrapped in a bodyglove so tight it has to have been painted on.
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Psienesis wrote: Please don't try to tell me how I pursue my hobby, kkthx.
Realism? Feth no. Give me 8 foot tall dudes in power armor with fists the size of their torsos and nuns with missile-launching machine guns and robot guys with guns that shoot heat and melt tanks and Rambos who deflect bullets with a sweat-stained t-shirt and a perfectly-timed pectoral flex, lithe gun-bunny sniper vixens lugging rifles longer than they are tall like it was weightless while wrapped in a bodyglove so tight it has to have been painted on.
Hooray sexism! I assume you like all your black people to be cannibals, your Asians to be heroin pushers and your Jews to be usurers as well, yes?
Just gonna leave some pics here for you Kroot. Since we are talking about females in Flak armor. Not Marines. Put in spoiler tags to help slower PC's.
Spoiler:
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Spoiler:
The next pic is of custom ACU's designed to fit the female form better.
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The Face and Hips are really the only things distinctly female. Which will not be too noticeable at 28mm. So cadians with female heads would work great.
Even this exagerates the female characteristics alot and I thought it was the best of the lot you guys posted.
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However its way better then the drag queen Commissar GW put out.
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NO. Where did I say ALL males in combat armour look like that? How does all women being sexy vixens at all relate to that space marine? If you took a sister of battle and put her in the same armour, in that armour the ONLY difference would be her head (of course IF she were the exact same size as the marine inside it).
It is an escapist setting for teen males, so nobody cares if a modern flak armour hides some of the female curves.
YES. Some one does care about it because they STARTED THIS THREAD ABOUT it... I simply stated that women's curves are largely hidden by flak armour except for hips, making it less obvious as to which sex is which, actually a relevant observation to the actual topic as it suggests that simply using slightly more curved hips would highlight the differing sex (as well as female heads obv).
Maybe you haven't noticed that W40k is not about realistic modern warfare, not even about realistic proportions ("Heroic 28mm scale").
Yes you are right about 40k being a fantasy game, but just because its not real life doesn't mean realism isn't a focus, hobbyists STRIVE for realism or a realistic look, they ACTIVELY seek it. If they didn't try to mimic real life in their models why would they spend hours of painstaking painting to create object source lighting effects? Or glimmering metal? Or lightning bolts on power weapons? Or ANYTHING for that matter?
So basically your arguement is INVALID. Please rethink you comment, rewrite it, rethink it again and then shove back where it came from.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And one more thing... space marine armour is largely individualised and differs from marine to marine so not every marine will look the same anyway. But Guardsman armour is mass produced... one size fits all kind of thing so sex is irrelevant. But sex is not irrelevant when actually comparing the two for their physical attributes... male is male, female is female. This post is about making female guard, the model base is largely male so ergo alterations are required to differentiate the two sexes more clearly.
HAH. First; easy there spaz, this post is incredibly rude.
Second; you rant about realism a ton, and yet fail to recognize that the IG are horribly disproportionate already (along with most non-FW models), and furthermore you even say:
Yes you are right about 40k being a fantasy game, but just because its not real life doesn't mean realism isn't a focus, hobbyists STRIVE for realism or a realistic look, they ACTIVELY seek it. If they didn't try to mimic real life in their models why would they spend hours of painstaking painting to create object source lighting effects? Or glimmering metal? Or lightning bolts on power weapons? Or ANYTHING for that matter?
lightning bolts on power weapons
There are artistic and fantasy-related liberties taken in this game, and in this hobby. One is that energy-field surrounded weapons are covered in lightning bolts. Another is that female proportions are exaggerated so that it is easier to tell a 28mm model is representing a gender countercurrent to the norm.
(The bolter fires .998 caliber rounds. A norman man would probably break his arm firing this as a handheld weapon)
I can keep going if you're unconvinced that 40k is anything but realistic.
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote: Just gonna leave some pics here for you Kroot. Since we are talking about females in Flak armor. Not Marines. Put in spoiler tags to help slower PC's.
Can you also show me troopers with hands bigger than their heads and elite troops 8' tall on average wearing full power armour? I am also interested in battle tanks with 2 feet calibre and current cyber robots shooting ray guns, so we get a feeling of why modern military equipment is relevant for 40k toy design.
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Yeah I understand the artistic differences, and that IG are Heroic Scale. However I personally don't like the Stripper Brigade. It ruins the image for me.
ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote: Just gonna leave some pics here for you Kroot. Since we are talking about females in Flak armor. Not Marines. Put in spoiler tags to help slower PC's.
Can you also show me troopers with hands bigger than their heads and power armour? I am also interested in battle tanks with 2 feet calibre and current cyber robots shooting ray guns, so we get a feeling of why modern military equipment is relevant for 40k toy design.
Nope, but IG are the cloest thing to a real world military, and I personally can ignore the lack of vehicle scale, but having an army of stippers is too over the top for me. And again. Flak armor Kroot. We're talking about Flak armor, which would look like the pictures I posted.
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TheCaptain wrote: Some Stuff to other people who said stuff to each other
Yeah I understand the artistic differences, and that IG are Heroic Scale. However I personally don't like the Stripper Brigade. It ruins the image for me.
ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote: Just gonna leave some pics here for you Kroot. Since we are talking about females in Flak armor. Not Marines. Put in spoiler tags to help slower PC's.
Can you also show me troopers with hands bigger than their heads and power armour? I am also interested in battle tanks with 2 feet calibre and current cyber robots shooting ray guns, so we get a feeling of why modern military equipment is relevant for 40k toy design.
Nope, but IG are the cloest thing to a real world military, and I personally can ignore the lack of vehicle scale, but having an army of stippers is too over the top for me. And again. Flak armor Kroot. We're talking about Flak armor, which would look like the pictures I posted.
Who said strippers? No one argued they should have see-through flak armour or be dressed like Catachans. Fact is that Heroic Scale females have exaggerated features, like I said, so that you can tell the difference. Same reason pistols are massive, Tank guns are the size of cars, and Vox Casters are modeled to weigh about 300lb.
Nope, but IG are the cloest thing to a real world military, and I personally can ignore the lack of vehicle scale, but having an army of stippers is too over the top for me. And again. Flak armor Kroot. We're talking about Flak armor, which would look like the pictures I posted.
Look close at IG models; flak armour has pectoral muscles sculpted on for the males. Who is to say the female alternative wouldn't be done by armourers? Because it's impractical??? Have you SEEN the codpiece on Space Marines? (Admech make both; seems like they don't care much for practicality. They also make SoB boob-plate armor, and power-fists with fingers.)
Not to mention, flak armour HAS no defined look. It is a blanket term for the sub-par armour guardsmen typically employ. If a regimental commander wants his female soldiers to have tits on their armor, he'll probably get it.
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TheCaptain wrote:The bolter fires .998 caliber rounds. A norman man would probably break his arm firing this as a handheld weapon)
Boltguns fire in calibre .75 and heavy bolters fire in 1.00. There is a model 998 bolter, which might be where the calibre idea might originate?
Furthermore, bolt projectiles leave the weapon at low velocity (subsonic) before their rocket motor kicks in. We already have real world weapons firing larger shells with more speed.
All of the above is purely going by GW fluff, though. The whole recoil thing seems to be an "urban legend" that Marine fans in particular like to propagate to stress how "badass" the Astartes are, yet it does not appear anywhere in actual studio material where, indeed, a bolter is a bolter and humans are using it just like Marines do. I'm a bit disturbed by how fast this idea took root in the community, but I suppose that a certain RPG is to blame for this.
OnTopic: I guess it depends on how much you want to stress that those Guardsmen are females. For the SoB, one might say it is "necessary" because it's part of the army's overall image and design. For the Imperial Guard, it could be considered less important when you have a mixed regiment, or more important if you have an all-female one. Case by case decision?
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TheCaptain wrote:The bolter fires .998 caliber rounds. A norman man would probably break his arm firing this as a handheld weapon)
Boltguns fire in calibre .75 and heavy bolters fire in 1.00. There is a model 998 bolter, which might be where the calibre idea might originate?
Furthermore, bolt projectiles leave the weapon at low velocity (subsonic) before their rocket motor kicks in. We already have real world weapons firing larger shells with more speed.
All of the above is purely going by GW fluff, though. The whole recoil thing seems to be an "urban legend" that Marine fans in particular like to propagate to stress how "badass" the Astartes are, yet it does not appear anywhere in actual studio material where, indeed, a bolter is a bolter and humans are using it just like Marines do. I'm a bit disturbed by how fast this idea took root in the community, but I suppose that a certain RPG is to blame for this.
OnTopic: I guess it depends on how much you want to stress that those Guardsmen are females. For the SoB, one might say it is "necessary" because it's part of the army's overall image and design. For the Imperial Guard, it could be considered less important when you have a mixed regiment, or more important if you have an all-female one. Case by case decision?
Fair enough; SM game said .998. Regardless, a bolt-pistol will still require a lot of force to expel the round from the gun accurately, even if it does have secondary ignition. No bullet "leaving the weapon at low velocity" will be reliably accurate.
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