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I would say that the orks already have, after the fall of the eldar but before the rise of the imperium they pretty much did rule the Galaxy, their power was temporarily broken with the Ullanor campaign but before the great crusade they were the most predominant species.

Also, I really like the unintentional gardeners idea. I think that's a great way to think about them.

Nope, but I'd love to seem them unite long enough to lead a massive WAAGH into the eye of terror so that Cadia can come back to it's former strength, just to fail again!

Front line stinker

All the 27 war-bosses standing at a strategic meeting" just short of "Until the Apocalypse, but not before"

"Im Da Big Boss" "ALL IN UNISON HAHAHA...huuu whud you say"

In other words.... It's impossible =P

I da boss.

Proceeds to beat down the other 26...

It is possible, bur very very unlikely.

willhman wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

 ShatteredBlade wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Holycrusader27 wrote:
Not a question of will they more like when they control the galaxy.

This

The nids are the only random factor, they breed as fast as the orks, so in the end it would either be all nids, all orks, or both locked in eternal struggle. Wouldn't that be awesome, just orks and nids, the orks idea of heaven, a never ending war.

Isn't that happening with Hive Fleet Leviathan in the Octarius system?

HIT DA DECK *ducks and covers*

COME ON BOYS LETS SHOW DE'S BUGS HOW TO GET STUCK IN WWWWAAAAAGGGHHHH *Charges at the nid lines.*

Anyways. If the orks really wanted to then yes. But since the only orks that ever REALLY try to rule the galaxy are warbosses then no. The regular boy has two things on his mind pretty much the whole time. FIGHT AND WIN!! If all the orks in the galaxy joined togther and they ALL wanted to rule the galaxy then yes. But they dont. They like it where its at.

If the eldar sent several ork *WAAAGHS* to the EOT then Gork and Mork might appear and destroy the whole sector. Then they would do something kool and destroy the eldar who sent the orks there.

Ohhh the octarius sector, everytime I think about that area of space I get a chill down my spine. How I wish I could see it. the Trillions of orks ships fightin the Trillions of Nid flyin monstosities. The gazooks of orks and Nids bitin, slashin and chopin at each other. God I am so jealous. I wish Games workshop made a movie on it. It is soooo epic sounding. Really orks are pourin in from other nearby sectors. The nids are winning Just cause (Imho) cause the Swarmlord has entered the system. If Gazhkull ever dropped in for a visit then the tide would changes. More orks and better tactics and ships. In the end its up to gw. better make it good. I really want a movie

Pfft the Swarmlord's greatest Achievement was beating down Marneius Calgar (sp?) No impressive feat in 40k I assure you

But yes I do love the idea of the Octarius Sector, and it more than likely is going to bea conflict with no resolution cause it is just a suggested battlefront for orks and nids from now on. BUT it could allude to maybe a new unit down the line "Giant Killahz!" specialize in fighting Monstrous Creatures or hordes i dunno lol the point is Just like all things orks eventually will learn to love their battle and dis enemy is dead killy.


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 DemetriDominov wrote:
Nope, but I'd love to seem them unite long enough to lead a massive WAAGH into the eye of terror so that Cadia can come back to it's former strength, just to fail again!

They did do this at one point and it made the IOM's butt pucker just ever so tightly Ironically Tuska the Demon Killah wasn't in the mood for Humies he wanted to kill him some Demon Boyz. In the story he takes his waaagh full of weird boyz to Cadia's closest moon which is used to train cadia's shock troops in the worst conditions imaginaable acid rain, high gravity low visibility with noxious fumes ect. The orks used it as a warm up round for about 1 week and then just picked up camp and dove into the Eye of Terror looking for fun.

Tuska is still fighting to this day though at the mercy of a Blood Prince

If there is a single Black Templar that still draws breath, then no Ork force will rule the galexy!

In total war, where the other side does not care what happens to a planet, I think the orks have a disadvantage, scorched earth policies work well against them, preventing their reproduction.

This used on a massive scale would be effective, but leave precious little left in the galaxy.

It really depends on if they figure out unconventional tactics to use against this super-waagh. Da Boss can't be everywhere at once, so i envision a massive fleet.

You could use the same tactics the Ultras used against Leviathan, throwing overloading space stations at them, detonating it, and wiping out thousands to millions of ships in a heartbeat.

I dont think the Orks could effectively unite to conquer the galaxy. I feel other races would sooner work together to beat them than fall separately.

 iGuy91 wrote:
In total war, where the other side does not care what happens to a planet, I think the orks have a disadvantage, scorched earth policies work well against them, preventing their reproduction.

This used on a massive scale would be effective, but leave precious little left in the galaxy.

It really depends on if they figure out unconventional tactics to use against this super-waagh. Da Boss can't be everywhere at once, so i envision a massive fleet.

You could use the same tactics the Ultras used against Leviathan, throwing overloading space stations at them, detonating it, and wiping out thousands to millions of ships in a heartbeat.

I dont think the Orks could effectively unite to conquer the galaxy. I feel other races would sooner work together to beat them than fall separately.

Your policy is the worst one you can hold against the orks, If you think banding together and brining planet crackers is the way to win you are wrong the orks that survive or witness the explosion or desperation will shout of how glorious the battle way and how scared the Imperium was to force to destroy planet after planet just to try and slow the orks.

The same is said of races uniting. Behold I will depict the traditional waaagh

Gobchomp: Oy! Snikfist you 'ear of Warboss Shadow Splittah's Waaagh!? I 'eard dem boyz got a fight propah fight dey do hah!

Snikfist: Oh yea? 'ow so runtface?!

Gobchomp: I ear hes got lotz of boyz! So many boyz dem Metal boyz, and spikey boyz wut made a sniky deal wiv dem Humies dey did!

Snikfist: Ya don't ear dat every day... den wot?

Gobchomp: Eard dey were just getting close to some umies and getting some propah lootzing down all dem otha' boyz flat and taking it ovah! But dem Humie double crossed da lotz of em! Use one of dem supah Ships dey god and Dakkaed Da whole Planet dey did!

*Snikfist's eyes widen with a toothy grin*

Snikfist: Dem boyz still around?!

Gobchomp: Nah dey gotz a big dakkaed but i heard one of his Nobz is looking for some boyz to start hitting da next planet 'ou in!?

Snikfist: Spikey boyz? Shiney Boyz, Soft Humies... AND SPACE MARINES? Oh ho ho Ya Zogging right i'm In! Just imagine all dat loot wating to be taken! Whahaha Let's go find da nearest Fungus bar!

Gobchomp: Why Fungus bar ey?

Snikfist: Cause we don't got enuff teef ta get us a Rok ya git! Now hurry up and grab ya shoota WAAAAAGH!

 iGuy91 wrote:

Your policy is the worst one you can hold against the orks, If you think banding together and brining planet crackers is the way to win you are wrong the orks that survive or witness the explosion or desperation will shout of how glorious the battle way and how scared the Imperium was to force to destroy planet after planet just to try and slow the orks.

The same is said of races uniting. Behold I will depict the traditional waaagh

Gobchomp: Oy! Snikfist you 'ear of Warboss Shadow Splittah's Waaagh!? I 'eard dem boyz got a fight propah fight dey do hah!

Snikfist: Oh yea? 'ow so runtface?!

Gobchomp: I ear hes got lotz of boyz! So many boyz dem Metal boyz, and spikey boyz wut made a sniky deal wiv dem Humies dey did!

Snikfist: Ya don't ear dat every day... den wot?

Gobchomp: Eard dey were just getting close to some umies and getting some propah lootzing down all dem otha' boyz flat and taking it ovah! But dem Humie double crossed da lotz of em! Use one of dem supah Ships dey god and Dakkaed Da whole Planet dey did!

*Snikfist's eyes widen with a toothy grin*

Snikfist: Dem boyz still around?!

Gobchomp: Nah dey gotz a big dakkaed but i heard one of his Nobz is looking for some boyz to start hitting da next planet 'ou in!?

Snikfist: Spikey boyz? Shiney Boyz, Soft Humies... AND SPACE MARINES? Oh ho ho Ya Zogging right i'm In! Just imagine all dat loot wating to be taken! Whahaha Let's go find da nearest Fungus bar!

Gobchomp: Why Fungus bar ey?

Snikfist: Cause we don't got enuff teef ta get us a Rok ya git! Now hurry up and grab ya shoota WAAAAAGH!

Hold on, let me change that for you as per the solution of total war.

Gobchomp: Oy! Look der, wats dat in da sky?!

Snikfist: Oooooaa shiney shipz dey iz!

*IOM uses Exterminatus....it's EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE*

It doesn't really matter what the Orks would think of such tactics, they would effectively kill them.

So why are there still orks left?

Because it's not that effective to nuke all your own planets

Plus you have to REACH the planet to exterminatus it. The orks aren't likely to just be planetside..

Fact is that the orks have more ships to invade with than the IOM has planets to nuke. Exterminatus doesn't exactly leave a planet habitable afterwards, and the IOM can't afford to use this tactic every time an ork force makes planetfall.

Exterminatus isn't always 100% either. There's fluff of critters surviving them.

 Ascalam wrote:
So why are there still orks left?

Because it's not that effective to nuke all your own planets

Plus you have to REACH the planet to exterminatus it. The orks aren't likely to just be planetside..

Fact is that the orks have more ships to invade with than the IOM has planets to nuke. Exterminatus doesn't exactly leave a planet habitable afterwards, and the IOM can't afford to use this tactic every time an ork force makes planetfall.

Exterminatus isn't always 100% either. There's fluff of critters surviving them.

Well we are talking Total War, which means the IoM does not believe that they are going to be able to get the territory back easily and as such destroying it is their coarse of action. Additionally, I would think if throwing overloaded space stations at Nids works it would work just as well for Orks, than Exterminate the planet. While there may be stuff left over it usually nukes the atmosphere of the planet, and I believe Orks can't live in space right?

If orks and IOM were in a total war situation, the IOM is boned regardless.

Not all exterminatii burn off the atmosphere. Cyclonic torps and virus bombs for example leave the atmosphere in place. There's an example of a carnifex surviving exterminatus in the Nids book, ofr example.

Orks have a nasty habit of shooting down/ramming incoming ships, also, or just ignoring them as the KFF or power fields soak up the hit.

If it's a really huge explosion, like an exploding capital ship or space station, it will take out the nearby orks (and everyone else in the blast radius), but also waste a priceless ancient piece of irreplacable and precious technology. Not really something you'd want to do too often.

If you are going to destroy each planet that the xenos encroach on (because you don't think you'll be getting it back) you'd still run out of worlds before the orks run out of orks, so it's a suicidal tactic. It would wind up with you pushing the red button on the Golden Throne to blow up Terra out of spite..

In any case, where is this exploding space station story from? It's not something i recall reading offhand.

 Ascalam wrote:
If orks and IOM were in a total war situation, the IOM is boned regardless.

Not all exterminatii burn off the atmosphere. Cyclonic torps and virus bombs for example leave the atmosphere in place. There's an example of a carnifex surviving exterminatus in the Nids book, ofr example.

Orks have a nasty habit of shooting down/ramming incoming ships, also, or just ignoring them as the KFF or power fields soak up the hit.

If it's a really huge explosion, like an exploding capital ship or space station, it will take out the nearby orks (and everyone else in the blast radius), but also waste a priceless ancient piece of irreplacable and precious technology. Not really something you'd want to do too often.

If you are going to destroy each planet that the xenos encroach on (because you don't think you'll be getting it back) you'd still run out of worlds before the orks run out of orks, so it's a suicidal tactic. It would wind up with you pushing the red button on the Golden Throne to blow up Terra out of spite..

In any case, where is this exploding space station story from? It's not something i recall reading offhand.

Orks are the equivalent of the Huns, anything you ruin is your own stuff we just invade. Also Exterminatus can require days if not helped by multiple ships, hours is proper assistance is given. Ultimately i think you guys don't realize overwhelming force and dominance of a sector ONLY ATTRACTS ORKS. it doesn't remove our number you are meeting us in full blown war... assassination is infinitely more viable than your stupid exterminatus tacticm The trick is killing a warboss who is Dead 'Ard enough to lead all the orks.

Exterminatus is mostly enacted in the presence of Chaos where it's mere existence in the material realm means more shall be corrupted like a cancer, Same for the Tyranid once they get a foot hold.

The Imperium's strength is tactical doctrines which are older than 10,000 years. They know how to fight all the enemies and survive but if orks did unify no amount of doctrines beats that only escape avenues like the Web-Way Portal and the Eye Of Terror are the best places to hide from the orks.

Think about it what makes more sense? Blow up an entire planet which is helping to keep the entire IOM's already streched supply lines open? Or allow xenos or enemies to take over a planet and rebuild in 2-5 years once the Astartes and guard strike back against the enemy after they are triumphant? Seriously i doubt the IOM has even enough ammunition to destroy all the planets they possess sure they could bombard the planets but proper exterminatus is ancient tech as well and the only way to effectively remove th enemy threat (per carnifrex reference)

Not to mention.. you better hope the orks don't loot dat shiney new planet cracker ship you got there... Esclation of technology and full show of force only tempts orks into a unified Waaaagh to those who say Exterminatus is the Answer you have no idea how little that impacts us

You cant really DEFEAT the orks unless the world is deviod of life entirly. Plus what happens if the ship with the extermanatus equipment is damaged beyond use? and the IOM loses the battle? new ship for the orks thats what!!!! Im thinking about writin a short story about the Octarius sector. Idk if Ill do it but Im thinking about it. Its always been a huge interest to me and I think I will enjoy it very much!!

Only if the grandaddy of all ork warlords popes up like the beast and possibly gazgul is close but then he'll make like the fantasy ork superboss and get bored not having any one really worth fighting left.
so even if they win they lose and thats not even taking into account tyranids i can see battles between them going on forever because theirs just so dam many of them out there and orks will spawn more orks while the nids collect the left over dead ork bio mass.

To be honest, I voted for orks taking over just because they'll out-survive everything...
The IoM is collapsing, the eldar fell, the tau have this pocket, the crons fell and are fractured and chaos is fractured.
Meanwhile the tyranids are the best way for the orks to unite under one cause, the biggest brawl ever, just by the fact of how both races work.

Agrees with the person with gruul colors!!!!!!!!!!!

It's pretty close vote wise :p not much in the way; but again orks don't WANT to conquer we just wanna break the galaxy!

How would the Orks manage to actually run a galactic conquest? They have no decent long-range communication ability and their travel is often (not always, but often) very random and slow.

Huge Ork Waaaghs have been possible under the leadership of Warlords like Ghazghkull, but even then it feels more like he's gathering a lot of Orks up at once place, giving them some instructions, pointing them in a given direction and then letting them go. Control loosens the further they go.

That sort of conquest just doesn't lend itself well to taking and then holding a galaxy.

KingGhidorah wrote:
How would the Orks manage to actually run a galactic conquest? They have no decent long-range communication ability and their travel is often (not always, but often) very random and slow.

Huge Ork Waaaghs have been possible under the leadership of Warlords like Ghazghkull, but even then it feels more like he's gathering a lot of Orks up at once place, giving them some instructions, pointing them in a given direction and then letting them go. Control loosens the further they go.

That sort of conquest just doesn't lend itself well to taking and then holding a galaxy.

Not at all, Orks loot all sorts of things and have ample ability to get to space and attack en masse. Communication isn't as limited as you would think cause most orks desire the same thing, a good fight so they all kinda like a roving herd look for the nearest fight and go there. Waaaghs have inter galatic portals (Wazdakka), Teleportas (Ghazghull & freebooters), Auspexs (Da SCANAHS!), anything that is lost in battle, accidents or just abandoned orks that orbit planets or just searching for more hulks to rebuild easily have ways to get where they need to.

Their only complications is really just getting the momentum to start once they start a killing ground though... it's progress on the fast track. So a tribe of savage orks might have some complications getting into space but most orks are fortunate enough to be have Big Meks born to their tribes who lead in communications & Technology. Really only the Snakebite klan have a small number of meks and they aren't well respected due to the mentalities of the klan. Orks also do communicate via Weirdboyz but only if those boyz already knew each other ... and normally the more weirdboyz you get together the sooner someone's head is going to explode

As far as organization ... not the way the orks would do it. More screaming ... really scary screaming which frightens subordinates which then makes sure they make their boyz do things to make the Boss Happy, and those boyz do things to make them happy and so on until Success. Again, orks aren't going to conquer ever... we are much more likely to leave it in ruins and then kill ourselves.

 Pigmyork wrote:
Will the orks conquer the galaxy? Vote in the poll then post why. (or don't bother)

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Orks are cool, theres no denying there badassness but there stoopid so no orks will never rule the galaxy

Orks will always be one of the most powerful factions, but they'll never conquer the galaxy. Too much infighting.

They already have conquered the galaxy.

 Melissia wrote:
They already have conquered the galaxy.

can't agree on that one, we got tons of territory and go where we like until killed but that statement i think requires alot more unification before its a true statement

Why would it require unification? Frankly, unification would be BAD for the Ork race.

ork uprising taking over? my kroot buddy's would like to join the buff-ay as id like to get a chunk of that fight!!

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Not at all, Orks loot all sorts of things and have ample ability to get to space and attack en masse. Communication isn't as limited as you would think cause most orks desire the same thing, a good fight so they all kinda like a roving herd look for the nearest fight and go there. Waaaghs have inter galatic portals (Wazdakka), Teleportas (Ghazghull & freebooters), Auspexs (Da SCANAHS!), anything that is lost in battle, accidents or just abandoned orks that orbit planets or just searching for more hulks to rebuild easily have ways to get where they need to.

Their only complications is really just getting the momentum to start once they start a killing ground though... it's progress on the fast track. So a tribe of savage orks might have some complications getting into space but most orks are fortunate enough to be have Big Meks born to their tribes who lead in communications & Technology. Really only the Snakebite klan have a small number of meks and they aren't well respected due to the mentalities of the klan. Orks also do communicate via Weirdboyz but only if those boyz already knew each other ... and normally the more weirdboyz you get together the sooner someone's head is going to explode

As far as organization ... not the way the orks would do it. More screaming ... really scary screaming which frightens subordinates which then makes sure they make their boyz do things to make the Boss Happy, and those boyz do things to make them happy and so on until Success. Again, orks aren't going to conquer ever... we are much more likely to leave it in ruins and then kill ourselves.

So what we're really concluding is that no, the Orks will never conquer the galaxy. They'll run back and forth over the galaxy killing everything in sight, but the Ork race as a whole just isn't suited to doing what the IoM or Eldar or Necrons did, which is take a lot of land and hold it (properly) for long periods of time. Not that there's anything wrong with this, of course.

Melissia wrote:They already have conquered the galaxy.

Orks don't have substantial forces in the Eye of Terror or Segmentum Solar, two of the most valuable places in the galaxy. The Eye of Terror has hypothetically infinite resources, provided the warp is in a calm mood. Yeah, they have some Orks there, but they're outnumbered by humans and daemons and all that stuff. Also, they have little presence in the Tau Empire, and they generally find themselves exterminated on Necron Tomb Worlds. Even the map you linked reveal that they've barely colonized the Eastern fringe at all.



To say the Orks have conquered the galaxy is blatant fan spank, almost as bad as the stuff Brother Coa used to post. Considering how intelligent you seemed if the Offtopic section, I'm dissappointed in you Melissa. You should know better than to make canonical errors regarding the population of a fictional race in a fictional universe that was made by ripping off several other fictional universes. This is serious business.

If all the meks were to get together the ork wold win.....Or die horably.....

Last time we had a large concentration of Meks we got GorkaMorka..

Just sayin'