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leohart wrote:Do you bring more than 1?
What else do you bring in your army? Stormtalon doesn't provide good anti-AV13 so I assume you bring Lascannon for that.

Very few things in this game are that good if you only bring 1. As for AV13, who cares? It is proficient at 3 jobs, flyers, infantry, and light transports, and none of those have AV13.

 Jihallah wrote:
Actually, Of all the things I would call his post, Smug is not one of them.

Sounds like your just butthurt you were proven wrong jbunny.

No, and I admitted I was wrong. I have no problem being told I'm wrong, I'm married and use to it. but the way he did it came across as smug and condescending.

I love my little stormtalon, always very costeffective for me. but take down units like war walkers and other low AV units.

Easy lads, plenty has been contributed to the marine players appreciation about storm talons in this thread. Having never used one its awesome to read this sort of stuff.

storm talon fleet is great. it def has its place as a fast attack choice. anti tank, anti personnel, and well if the enemy doesnt have any flyers or flying monsters creatures they aren't gonna spend time shooting them down when your infantry and other vehicles are coming in close for objectives or pose more of a threat. I enjoy running 3 of them and have been successful so far

alright sorry to derail the thread but I need to know about the stormtalon: can it go into hover mode? (not hover strike but actual hover mode) in the summery in the rulebook, it doesn't have it listed as a hover flyer. does that mean it only moves 18" or not at all?

Cant hover, hover strike is unique i think in that only the storm talon can do it so far. It has to move 18" or go into hover strike mode where it counts as a skimmer to get a bonus to its BS

Thats the way I understand it

Actually, Of all the things I would call his post, Smug is not one of them.

Sounds like your just butthurt you were proven wrong jbunny.

Agree. Simply learn the difference between average and probability and move along. You´ll know better next time.


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Anyone tried the stormtalons special rule of being able to accompany another deepstriker?
If so how did that turn out?

You cannot escort another deepstriker. You can only escort stuff that is coming in from reserve. You can also escort one unit at a time now. The FAQ clears up that a single Stormtalon can escort a transport unit even though that unit has infantry inside.

It works well when used with Space Wolves Scout Ally due to their ability to come in wherever you want with the ability to re-roll that coming in. Outflanking bike squads by Khan's Chapter tactics will also allow you to quickly get to where you want all the while shooting to the back of their armour. Killed one battlewagon with 3 skyhammer.

I ran a SM with BA allies and having the Stormraven roll in with that escort was fun. The SR blew up a transport with the MM and the ST put some frag markers on the disembarked crater.

Hoover mode its type changes to skimmer, can I double check that means it loses its skyfire.

leohart wrote:
It works well when used with Space Wolves Scout Ally due to their ability to come in wherever you want with the ability to re-roll that coming in. Outflanking bike squads by Khan's Chapter tactics will also allow you to quickly get to where you want all the while shooting to the back of their armour. Killed one battlewagon with 3 skyhammer.

Does anyone use Khan's chapter tactics or use space wolf scouts anymore?
More importantly does it matter as they can move 18'' onto the battlefield and have long range weapons.

Strictly by the rules they should be able to escort Marbo.

When you hover you cannot skyfire, this is in FAQ.

Does anyone use Khan's chapter tactics or use space wolf scouts anymore?
More importantly does it matter as they can move 18'' onto the battlefield and have long range weapons.

Strictly by the rules they should be able to escort Marbo.

You can move 18" but you cannot shoot to the back of their vindicator/battlewagons/necron stupid av13/eldar wave serpents unless you escort outflank/behind enemy line units.

Yes, if you are in Hover Mode you can't skyfire. But Hover mode =/= Hover Strike. The Stormtalon retains its Skyfire option when Hover Striking. Neat little bonus there.

That is actually quite tactically useful if it works. However, since the Stormtalon's type change from Flyer to Skimmer with Hover Strike, it no longer has the ability granted by the the flyer type (Skyfire).

Having not used a ST it sounds good all up.

Its like a mini instance of codex creep. Sorry for cynicism.

I'd join the "its you" bandwagon straight away if it weren't for the fact that stormravens exist.

I don't know why you would ever bother with a flier with lascannons if you could instead take a flier with a twin-linked multimelta (with more dakka options, AND with a transport/assault ramp capability to boot!)

Absolutely, the stormtalon is rather useful. Relatively, the stormtalon isn't as useful as the storm raven.

 Ailaros wrote:
I don't know why you would ever bother with a flier with lascannons if you could instead take a flier with a twin-linked multimelta (with more dakka options, AND with a transport/assault ramp capability to boot!

Because:

1) The Stormraven costs more points.

and

2) They're in two different codices, so you can't choose between them unless you want to pay the allies tax.

6 missiles - for most SM armies run you 180 points. At a 1/6 chance to hit, that means you average 1 hit. Now you have a 67% chance of doing something to it. So 180 points - minimum - to affect a 155 point flyer. It is not perfect but a storm talon is basically effective. Of course the problem is 1 attack hits and blows it up. We are only talking averages so it is a bit of a crap shoot. More because it has AV 11 than anything else.

Storm talons are great at the moment. I run with 3 and used it well agains nids, orks, marines,and daemons . Their flying monsters creatures get grounded and blown away. The rending from assault cannon is fine and I use skyhammers on flying daemons to wound them down to nothing. the only time they were focused came against dark eldar and they still held up til turn 4. Lost them all but held objectives and won. Storm talons give the other player a choice of either shooting down a squishy flying dreadnought or worrying about the landraiders racing towards their front line

Perhaps the main benefit is simply because its a flier and they are so hard to hurt.

So OP, if you think of them like a speeder, you are conideringbthem wrong.