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GW regular policies say no, your store can say something diferent. I think the model looks nice.

Keep yourself out of sight. You can probably use that model. Like someone else said: remove the "little base" from the legs/body, and add some puches, bags and stuff like that (maybe even a backpack). You are using 2 pieces from the "not GW" piece, whose probably weight less than the GW pieces you are using.

If you can, dont include the base on the count, it can sound silly...

Time to decrease the 50% of gaming that goes on at GW stores and increase your other 50% to make up the difference.

I think the conversion/kit bash looks too good not to go forward with it.

I've notice that it depends on how much the model cost in GW parts that's the issue rather than percentage so if it's 50/50 gw/non-GW it dosn't mater if you need to buy multiple box set to make 1 trooper, cynical I know

If that's the look your after I can think of a few ways to doit with gw stuff

Easiest two are buy foreword death corps of Kreisler models or the armageddon steel legion models from the collectors section

The other is to use the legs from the high elf archers and cadian bodies with the same arms and head you've got now, but you'd probably need to fill the shoes less pointy and add som green stuff trim to the robes to make them look more like over coats

Or finally same as above but with these legs
http://www.beastsofwar.com/hobby-supplies/accesories/maxminis-great-coat-legs/

But then your back to asking is it gw enough

Plus none of those are cheap options

You can also use the cadian torso, with shelved WGF legs... that way your core is almost "cadian", only using the bitz you like (and not offered by GW) from the WGF soldier... (legs and head).

What happens if you were to buy some Marines, build them, then paint them up with ads all over them for various 3rd party retailers? Imagine it like how a Nascar looks.

What now Mr.Lawman?

I think the feet definitely need sorting out.

 Atma01 wrote:
What happens if you were to buy some Marines, build them, then paint them up with ads all over them for various 3rd party retailers? Imagine it like how a Nascar looks.

What now Mr.Lawman?

You'll have rubbish looking models?

 Spartan089 wrote:
Well this sucks, so it either do a crappy greenstuff job or use models that look nothing like what I want.

Or build them how you want and just don't use that particular army in GW stores...?

With the exception of the pre-molded base, who could tell once its painted? And are you worried about losing tournament entry fees or just being asked to leave the store?

Sweet looking model. If you, as said before, saw off the smaller base, I doubt anyone's gonna pick it up and examine it closely.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
With the exception of the pre-molded base, who could tell once its painted? And are you worried about losing tournament entry fees or just being asked to leave the store?

Just how ignorant are you hoping the staff to be? It's going to be fairly obvious they are manufactured models and are not GW.


My advice, don't play in a GW store and then you can play how you wish with whatever figures you like. GW stores must be the worst places to game unless you enjoy being a purist.

Have you looked at the valhallan models? I use them and they have a similar feel...

GW stores don't allow third party models? WTH? Actually glad there's none in town.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/DEATH_KORPS_OF_KRIEG_INFANTRY_AND_ACCESSORIES/DEATH-KORPS-OF-KRIEG-INFANTRY-SQUADS-FOR-GORGON.html

I know you said they don't match the look, but if you take the time to cut every single soldier appart, that is 50 soldiers for 52 pounds + shipping so about 100$, price is far for reasonnable now.

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
GW stores don't allow third party models? WTH? Actually glad there's none in town.

it is neither new or unreasonable. They want to promote their product. I'm sure that Windows stores don't allow people to fart about on ipads using their wifi either.

The rule is that the model has to be identifiable as a GW product at first glance. Some overly zealous GW employees take it a bit far though.

I wasn't able to go to the store today, I'm taking a few people's advice and i'm cutting the base and adding some more accessories then I'm going to prime it black. I will explain to the GW employees and hope they have leniency. Again as I said before the GW is the only store within miles that has a dedicated 40k player base so I am forced to play by their rules.


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 AirborneGinger wrote:
Have you looked at the valhallan models? I use them and they have a similar feel...

I would try them but they are all metal and really hard to work on.

Tell me, wich are the legally bases GW use to endorse that policie? Their stores are open to the public, so, how can them "ask someone to leave"? Serious, i cannot see that happening in my country without the involved store getting some "racism case" issued over it...

You know, people can find any excuse to allow only "the right kind of people" in their stablishments...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Their stores are open to the public, so, how can them "ask someone to leave"?

One can hope that they politely approach the person in question and say something along the lines of; "I am sorry, sir, but I am going to have to ask you to leave the store".

A customer does not have a "right" to frequent a given privately owned store. That is a priviledge......that can be taken away.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Tell me, wich are the legally bases GW use to endorse that policie? Their stores are open to the public, so, how can them "ask someone to leave"? Serious, i cannot see that happening in my country without the involved store getting some "racism case" issued over it...

You know, people can find any excuse to allow only "the right kind of people" in their stablishments...

You can refuse a customer, and they are allowing me to use their tables without paying a fee or buying anything which I appreciate, I'm just trying to respect their rules no matter how rigid they may seem to some.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
With the exception of the pre-molded base, who could tell once its painted? And are you worried about losing tournament entry fees or just being asked to leave the store?

Just how ignorant are you hoping the staff to be? It's going to be fairly obvious they are manufactured models and are not GW.


My advice, don't play in a GW store and then you can play how you wish with whatever figures you like. GW stores must be the worst places to game unless you enjoy being a purist.

Just how much lip service do you pay the rules here?

Do GW employees seriously check evey single model and army that comes through their doors? Probably not. Has anyone here actually witnessed these store ejections? I would like to wager that the people who have been ejected were probably broadcasting the origins of their contraband minis.

Please, one person say that a store has ejected you for sneaking in non-GW minis and you weren't making it public beforehand...

Say they are old Rogue Trader models from the early 80's.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Tell me, wich are the legally bases GW use to endorse that policie? Their stores are open to the public, so, how can them "ask someone to leave"? Serious, i cannot see that happening in my country without the involved store getting some "racism case" issued over it...

Being open to the public doesn't make it public space. The store owner (or their proxy, in this case) has the right to refuse entry, or to ask someone to leave, by virtue of it being private property and the customer being a guest on it.

There's a lot of things that you can find to complain about where GW are concerned, but their right to not allow people to promote other companies' products in their stores is not one of them.

No-one is going to be asked to leave - just told to pack up the models.

In response to the 'who's gonna notice' argument - you've got people who are

A: Enthusiastic about their own hobby

B: Trained to be enthusiastic about your hobby

C: Have a wealth of information and knowledge about every single mini GW makes, and an in store order point with photo's available of every model.

Your local staffer is more than likely to come have a look at your mini's at some point, just because he/she is genuinely interested! When they see a cool conversion/model that isn't just another cadian they're gonna ask how you did it.

 Bobthehero wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/DEATH_KORPS_OF_KRIEG_INFANTRY_AND_ACCESSORIES/DEATH-KORPS-OF-KRIEG-INFANTRY-SQUADS-FOR-GORGON.html

I know you said they don't match the look, but if you take the time to cut every single soldier appart, that is 50 soldiers for 52 pounds + shipping so about 100$, price is far for reasonnable now.

Good lord, a genuinely useful post about something besides the theory behind land property rights! Bob, have you done this yourself? Do the models really cut cleanly apart, or are some cast stuck together? Because that is such a great idea and I'm considering doing it.

 ImperialTard wrote:
Do the models really cut cleanly apart, or are some cast stuck together?

A certain amount of resculpting is required. Most of them wind up missing chunks out of arms or legs.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
With the exception of the pre-molded base, who could tell once its painted? And are you worried about losing tournament entry fees or just being asked to leave the store?

Just how ignorant are you hoping the staff to be? It's going to be fairly obvious they are manufactured models and are not GW.


My advice, don't play in a GW store and then you can play how you wish with whatever figures you like. GW stores must be the worst places to game unless you enjoy being a purist.

Just how much lip service do you pay the rules here?

Do GW employees seriously check evey single model and army that comes through their doors? Probably not. Has anyone here actually witnessed these store ejections? I would like to wager that the people who have been ejected were probably broadcasting the origins of their contraband minis.

Please, one person say that a store has ejected you for sneaking in non-GW minis and you weren't making it public beforehand...

I'm just saying its very obvious that figure on the first post of this thread mostly isn't GW, and even a glance of the army will indicate that. The suggestion that an employee would have to 'investigate' your models to spot this is rather optimistic. A head or gun swap isnt much, but this figure only uses GW arms. It's rather a stretch to hope to deceive fellow hobbyists, people who know GW products and are likely familiar with other companies' output. Trying to say they are home sculpts or Rogue Trader figures won't wash.

Anyway, doesn't it seem a bit odd to lie to get a game in a shop? It's clear your stuff isn't welcome there whether you get caught or not.

 ImperialTard wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Death-Korps-of-Krieg/DEATH_KORPS_OF_KRIEG_INFANTRY_AND_ACCESSORIES/DEATH-KORPS-OF-KRIEG-INFANTRY-SQUADS-FOR-GORGON.html

I know you said they don't match the look, but if you take the time to cut every single soldier appart, that is 50 soldiers for 52 pounds + shipping so about 100$, price is far for reasonnable now.

Good lord, a genuinely useful post about something besides the theory behind land property rights! Bob, have you done this yourself? Do the models really cut cleanly apart, or are some cast stuck together? Because that is such a great idea and I'm considering doing it.

Can't say I'll ever do it, since I intend to get my Kriger squad by squad just an idea I've seen floating around a few times.

If the OP still wants to flip arms around, then the arm problems becomes a non issue.

Some stores have staff whom are more flexible on conversions than others. They might even have a percentage of non-GW allowed.
Some stores have staff that can't be flexible unless they take the broomhandle out of their ****. Maybe some just do it because they believe the great GW can do no wrong. Maybe it's because they are incapable of independent thought, who knows?

Some stores have managers whom are hypocrites. They will personally use (in store) armies with converted bits (using third party bits) YET disallow anyone else to play with the same in store. I did frequent one store like this - it was my local. I no longer frequent ANY GW stores, though. So whether or not they have 'improved' is irrelevant to me.

I'm not saying a player should lie about his models, but showing up and playing is not "promoting" another manufacturer. Loudly bragging about it would be.

And I am still waiting for an example of this GW-mandated ejection from a store...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I'm not saying a player should lie about his models, but showing up and playing is not "promoting" another manufacturer. Loudly bragging about it would be.

And I am still waiting for an example of this GW-mandated ejection from a store...

The second a person asks "cool model, what kit is it from" and you say anything other than a GW kit, it is promoting a competing product. That happens all the time. People look at models and if they don't recognize it right away, they ask where it's from. I did this recently at a conversion contest when I couldn't identify a set of metal GW wings. Turns out they were from some super old wyvern model which I had to scour the internet to find.

As for getting "ejected", in most cases the employees have some tact. At my local GW, the manager has a few basic rules: 1 no non model proxies. Using ANYTHING on the appropriate size base is ok for playtesting, but repeated proxies aren't allowed. If after a few games you still don't have the models, the proxies won't be permitted.
2. No blank bases.
3. No outright non GW models. I have an awesomely painted AoW DE sorceress, and Chris politely asked that I not bring her to the store. Luckily the 2 GW ones are nice looking, so no skin off my back.

He has no problems with 3rd party bits, I asked him directly on the subject a while back. But a model with Head, legs AND torso all being 3rd party isn't really bits, it's the core of the model. As such, he would politely ask you to put the models away, and if he had ones in the store already built he'd let you use those instead. He's let me use store models a few times when I've forgotten my eagles at home and didn't have model proxies.