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2012/09/05 13:44:49
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Im fine with regulation of unlicensed sales, its something that needs to be done
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2012/09/05 13:51:29
Subject: Re:Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Frankly it strikes me as a mistake. Why would you not include an omnipotent, omniscient, supreme lord of all time and space in your platform? Sounds like somebody you want on your side to me.
2012/09/05 14:00:02
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Or they've given up their pretence of not being godless treehugging hippy planet earth nurturing mammas boys!
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2012/09/05 14:27:53
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
d-usa wrote: So according to the learned folks that appear on my Facebook feed it appears that the Democrats did not include the word God in their platform. They are also quick to point out that the GOP included the word God 10 times in their platform.
My comments on Facebook have pretty much come to this:
Honestly, the complaint I am hearing is this "A secular political party running candidates for office in a secular country whose founding fathers made multiple statements that our country is not a "Christian" country with a constitution that prohibits a state-sponsored religion decided not to include God in their platform. Clearly that means they are monsters..."
I am an Evangelical Christian, as some of our Theism vs. Atheism threads have surely revealed. But I have absolutely zero problem with the decision to leave God out of the platform and I honestly prefer that approach to politics.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
but have you read the republican platform? It's just insane.
we're talking about the party who's against teaching critical thinking or modern science. I guess that's so they can just continue to blatantly lie and no one would think to question them.
The party who wants a zygote to have the same rights as anyone else. So the second you're pregnant, you can go and get a SSN for the zygote so you can claim it on your taxes, retroactive til 2 weeks before conception.
the party who's against equal pay for women.
they're for global warming, and resist all efforts to address it.
But they mention god a lot so that must be a good reason to vote for them. But you'd think with the party's pro war stance, Romney could have at least mentioned the troops or veterans during the RNC.
So I guess when the republicans talk about taking the country back to when it was great, they mean before 1952. Because since 1952 every republican nominee has mentioned the troops and whatever wars they were involved in.
Lets look at this gem
Supporting our Troops, Standing By Our Heroes
"The spiritual welfare of our troops and retired service members should be a priority of our national leadership. With military suicides running at the rate of one a day, with post-service medical conditions, including addiction and mental illness, and with the financial stress and homelessness that is often related to these factors, there is an urgent need for the kind of counseling that faith-based institutions can best provide. We support rights of conscience and religious freedom for military chaplains and people of faith. A Republican Commander in Chief will protect religious independence of military chaplains and will not tolerate attempts to ban Bibles or religious symbols from military facilities. We will enforce and defend in court the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in the Armed Forces as well as in the civilian world."
They go from addressing suicides, and end with gay marriage? Wow those gays are evil right? first they threaten all marriages everywhere and now their causing our troops to commit suicide.
The republicans really need to lose all races in 2012, maybe then, they will get a clue about what is really going on.
and just to nitpic, from 0 to 10, is not 10 times more, its just 10 more.
2012/09/05 15:03:38
Subject: Re:Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
d-usa wrote: I am going to post a response that I gave to somebody that asked this question:
QUESTION ONLY FOR CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS:
I’m asking a serious question.
...How can you, as a Christian Democrat, and there are many, continue to be in a political party, sign your name to such a party, who intentionally removes God from its platform?
The opposing political platform reverences, and acknowledges God ten times. Please don’t tell me that there are so many hypocrites in the GOP; I already know this; they are everywhere!
Help me, as a Christian, to understand how this dramatic omission does not frighten you, it would me. This would be the very sign that I must make a change to being an Independent or some other party. Please, help me to understand? I’m really perplexed. Help me, dear Christian brother or sister, to understand. Are you going to make a change. You can tell me privately and I will keep your confidence.
Please keep in mind that this was my response as a "Christian Democrat" to a "Christian Republican", so I hope we can avoid the whole "Christian vs. Non-Christians" aspect of this. I realize that there is a high likelyhood of this becoming a Christians vs. Others kind of discussion, but I cross my fingers that we can at least make it a few pages before that happens.
But here was my answer as to why I think that I can be a Christian apart from politics:
For me it helps to think about what the central message of the Gospel really is. God creates man, man sins and becomes separated from God, God becomes man and pays our debt, man responds and accepts salvation. It was through His sacrifice that we are no longer separated from God, and without it we would not be able to have a relationship with Him.
It is the relationship we have with Him that is the most important fruit of salvation. Without salvation we could not know Him, and it is the relationship with Him that should drive our actions and it should serve as a model for our relationships with others. By extension I also believe that our actions are a result of that relationship and I don’t believe in salvation by works. Our primary responsibility as Christians to the rest of the world is to spread the Gospel with others and to use Jesus as our example of what it means to lead a God-centered life.
Which brings me to politics. I honestly feel that combining God and politics does nothing to fulfill our great commission. It does not bring people closer to Christ and it does not follow Biblical examples. I don’t have a problem at all with politicians sharing their faith and sharing what impact God made in their daily walk. Giving our testimony is an important part in sharing the Gospel. I do not agree with adding God into political platforms or using Him to justify political decisions or using Him as a basis for law. Some of the reasons for that are as follows:
Salvation is by faith, and our works are the fruit of that salvation. We do not obtain salvation by following “God’s Law”. One of the key lessons that we should take away from the Old Testament is that God gave Israel His Law, and even when God Himself told His people “don’t do that” they were unable to follow His command. From the first “don’t do that” given to Adam and Eve, mankind has been unable to follow His Law and has been a slave to sin. So one of the objections I have of legislating God’s laws is that it seems somewhat insulting to God that we think we could do better at making people follow His laws than he did. But I also believe that the central message of the Old Testament was not “just follow these Laws and go to Heaven”, but instead the message was that we could never follow the Law. In essence the book full of rules were God saying “You want to know what you would have to do for salvation? You would have to live a life without breaking a single one of these rules, but there are so many you would never be able to do it!” The message of the Old Testament was not “follow these rules”, it was “you could never follow these rules, but I will send somebody that can”. So passing laws and legislation based on these Biblical rules does nothing to accomplish our one and only goal, to spread the Gospel.
If we do legislate Biblical law and the teachings of Jesus, what have we really accomplished? Let me take gay marriage as an example. If we legislate a Biblical definition of marriage and only allow a man and a woman to get married, how does that share the Gospel? Do the husband or the bride now have a relationship with God because they have a traditional marriage? Do they have a Christ-centered marriage because we made sure that two men or two women could not get married? Did they receive Christ as their savior because a legislator with the word “God” in their platform passed a law that limited who could get married?
Does a Constitutional marriage amendment mean that people with have a relationship with God, or will it simply make them act godly without knowing God?
And that last question is really the core of why I do not want to mix politics with my faith. I fear that it makes us lazy and contempt, it allows us to take the easy way out. If we want to stop people from sinning, a task even God cannot accomplish, then we should go out there on a daily basis and interact with people to spread the Gospel and help create a nation where everybody has a relationship with God and chooses not to lead a sinful life. Or we could take the easy road that doesn’t involve confrontation and just outlaw sin which might result in people leading a life that is “godly”. But people would be leading a life that might follow the law, but without any relationship with God. So what good does it do if we pass legislation based on the Bible instead of sharing the Bible? What is the benefit of having a population that lives a godly life without ever knowing God only to die without ever hearing the Gospel because we are too busy passing laws instead of sharing Christ?
I also think that a lot of the talk out there amounts to “the nation is suffering because we are not passing Christian laws” or “if we elect Christians and pass Christian laws our nation will be blessed”. To me that just sounds like a nationalistic version of the prosperity gospel, and that is simply a gospel that I do not belief in. I also think that God would be able to tell the difference between a nation that is filled with people that have a relationship with Him, and a nation that is filled with people that follow His laws because they don’t want to go to prison.
In the end it comes down to this for me: I would rather live in a country where every sin is legal, a nation where we could live the most depraved live that we could possibly imagine without any legal consequence, and a country where people make the conscious decision to have a relationship with God and then live a Godly life that is a result of that relationship with Him. The other option would be to live in a country where sin is outlawed but people don’t have a relationship with God.
Does including God in a political platform do anything to spread the Gospel? Does including God in a political platform share His love for us? Do people suddenly have a relationship with God because we passed legislation that made a sin illegal?
I'm interested how your well thought out and articilate reply was received?
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2012/09/05 15:05:18
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
When a Christian church becomes a political recruiting ground, it becomes no better than the churches that Jesus railed against in the bible. [/shrug]
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2012/09/05 15:49:58
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
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2012/09/05 16:18:06
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Considering that there's only 31,556,940 seconds in a year, can the president use machines to repeat his statement of god to meet the rest of that?
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2012/09/05 17:16:18
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Cheesecat wrote:
Shouldn't people be more concerned about party's policies rather than it's religious beliefs?.
Sure if they could actually be seperated.
The GOP has made it an issue by constantly claiming that everything they do, say and believe is a mandate from god.
When they use god as an excuse/justification for every political action/stance they take (some of which are horribly biased, racist, hateful, self-serving and down right backwards), it is hard to ignore.
You can't discuss GOP politics without discussing their use (perversion actually) of religion in their platform, because they have repeatedly made it the focus and justification for everything they do and say.
Personally I find it hard to believe that people AREN'T concerned about it more then they are...
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btw Romney before he went to the RNC address the Legion and VFW.
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2012/09/05 17:27:58
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Considering how many of the Republican nominees that claimed god sent them to run for President, I have to wonder if god is just doing this for laughs.
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2012/09/05 17:49:15
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Cheesecat wrote:
Shouldn't people be more concerned about party's policies rather than it's religious beliefs?.
Sure if they could actually be seperated.
The GOP has made it an issue by constantly claiming that everything they do, say and believe is a mandate from god.
When they use god as an excuse/justification for every political action/stance they take (some of which are horribly biased, racist, hateful, self-serving and down right backwards), it is hard to ignore.
You can't discuss GOP politics without discussing their use (perversion actually) of religion in their platform, because they have repeatedly made it the focus and justification for everything they do and say.
Personally I find it hard to believe that people AREN'T concerned about it more then they are...
But why make God an important part of you party platform in the first place? A representative democracy is supposed to represent values of the people do you think Atheists, Agnostics, religions that don't believe in God, etc might feel there views aren't being represented in the GOP if
God is important in there platform, wouldn't it make more sense to make a more neutral platform so they don't risk alienating some of the voter base and potentially losing more votes. Don't you want more votes in an election?
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2012/09/05 18:23:37
Subject: Re:Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
AgeOfEgos wrote: Regardless of party ideology--last night Deval Patrick gave a barn burner of a political speech--wow.
Agreed.
I felt bad for the guy that followed him.
Yeah, no doubt. Only thing that was good about that for the convention planners---was it allowed a respite before the First Lady's speech. Tough act to follow for anyone.
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2012/09/05 18:26:44
Subject: Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Cheesecat wrote:
Shouldn't people be more concerned about party's policies rather than it's religious beliefs?.
Sure if they could actually be seperated.
The GOP has made it an issue by constantly claiming that everything they do, say and believe is a mandate from god.
When they use god as an excuse/justification for every political action/stance they take (some of which are horribly biased, racist, hateful, self-serving and down right backwards), it is hard to ignore.
You can't discuss GOP politics without discussing their use (perversion actually) of religion in their platform, because they have repeatedly made it the focus and justification for everything they do and say.
Personally I find it hard to believe that people AREN'T concerned about it more then they are...
But why make God an important part of you party platform in the first place?
Why dont you ask them?
Reagardless of their answer i'm guessing it has more to do with trying to legitamise wacky ideals and scaring "good christians" into voting for you...
Cheesecat wrote:
Shouldn't people be more concerned about party's policies rather than it's religious beliefs?.
Sure if they could actually be seperated.
The GOP has made it an issue by constantly claiming that everything they do, say and believe is a mandate from god.
When they use god as an excuse/justification for every political action/stance they take (some of which are horribly biased, racist, hateful, self-serving and down right backwards), it is hard to ignore.
You can't discuss GOP politics without discussing their use (perversion actually) of religion in their platform, because they have repeatedly made it the focus and justification for everything they do and say.
Personally I find it hard to believe that people AREN'T concerned about it more then they are...
But why make God an important part of you party platform in the first place? A representative democracy is supposed to represent values of the people do you think Atheists, Agnostics, religions that don't believe in God, etc might feel there views aren't being represented in the GOP if
God is important in there platform, wouldn't it make more sense to make a more neutral platform so they don't risk alienating some of the voter base and potentially losing more votes. Don't you want more votes in an election?
maybe their hopeful God will smote the heretics, thus making the election much, much easier.
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2012/09/05 22:31:24
Subject: Re:Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Oh wow... did any of you see what happened with the voting delegates? I just saw on CNN that after THREE tries LA Mayor and convention Chairman Antonio Villaraigosa just claims it passed when it clearly didn't. Mayor Villarigosa was stunned...
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2012/09/05 23:06:28
Subject: Re:Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Three tries of what?...stepped out for mailing off bill payments.
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2012/09/05 23:08:02
Subject: Re:Democrats abandon God, Republicans love Him 10x more.
Jihadin wrote: Three tries of what?...stepped out for mailing off bill payments.
Trying to find it on CNN/Youtube... but essentially you'll need 2/3rd of the delegates to approve the new change and it was obvious that wasn't the case... so he tried to get the "votes" 3 times... bad optics. I'll post if I find it...
woah... it's actually worse... here's CSPAN:
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woah... it's actually worse... here's CSPAN: